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But -- He's a MORMON!
Much ink, a lot of it pretty useless, has gone into discussions of the religious values of our various leaders. Even the charismatic JFK was viewed skeptically because he was a Catholic. Many Supreme Court Justices were viewed with suspicion as well. Some were, heaven forbid, Jewish! While voters may vote their biases and prejudices, our Constitution clearly says that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
Some will tell you that America is a Christian nation, and if that were ever true, it is highly doubtful today. Many of the founding fathers were Deists -- those who believe that God created the world, but just wound it up and let it run. He is not necessarily active in our lives today. They did appeal to man's Creator as endowing us with certain unalienable rights. This is the doctrine of Natural Law -- that we are discoverers of the beauties, wonders, and laws of nature (our Creator) that govern us whether we accept them or not.
Mitt Romney will be our first Mormon president. Some Christians contend that Mormonism is a cult; that they are not "true" Christians. Before addressing that, let me offer the following in the interest of full disclosure and background:
I am a Catholic by birth, but have not adhered to those religious tenets for many years. My own research into the Word of God led me away from the papal pronouncements that seem, to me, to deviate from that Word.
My study of the Word has convinced be beyond doubt that Satan is alive and well and active in this world. For more on this, look at my blog.
I accept that, again as the Word says, man is inherently sinful and left to his own devices would quickly create a "Lord of the Flies" civilization. As such, I and all my fellow men and women are also sinners. No exceptions.
God hates all sin -- the smallest to the largest. As a compassionate God, He offers forgiveness and sanctification, but he provides a dire warning: Repent and be saved, or be condemned to eternal hell, which I also believe to be a real place.
My study of the Word of God tells me that it is true in every respect and internally consistent -- even on such things as science which was way beyond man's understanding of science when it was written. IF it contains errors (which I do not believe) then since it is the Word of God, it is HIS problem. I trust that the book says what He wants it to say. I would rather stand before the throne one day and explain how I tried to follow His Word, rather than make excuses because some other sinner told me to do something else.
Religion in all its many forms is man's response to God. Man is inherently sinful and error prone (see #3 above), thus there can never be any fully correct religion. God's Word, as found in the Bible is as close as it can come to incorruptible truth and by its own terms provides the sole method of salvation and deliverance from Hell. This makes me what some might call "Evangelical" or sometimes "Fundamentalist." [The differences here are not pertinent to this discussion.]
While the term "Christian" was intended to apply to the followers of Christ, the problem today is that it has been borrowed by anybody and everybody to describe things and actions that are definitely NOT Christ-like. Listen to most any TV preacher for an example of what I mean. Consequently there are many organized religions that refer to themselves as "Christian" while deciding for themselves what they want that to mean rather than relying on the Word of God to define that for them. To this end I appreciate what (non-Christian) Mahatma (Mohandas) Gandhi said, "I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ."
So what difference does it make that Mitt Romney is a devout Mormon? Let's look at this from two perspectives -- theological and practical.
Theologically the Mormon faith and I are worlds apart. There are several basic tenets of what I refer to as Christian that are specifically repudiated by Mormonism. It was described best by McKeever and Johnson in their book "Questions to Ask Your Mormon Friend:"
Imagine the Mormon's reaction to the following statement: I'm a Mormon but I don't believe Joseph Smith was a true prophet of God. I'm a Mormon but I don't believe that God was once a man or that men can become gods. I'm a Mormon but I don't believe the Mormon Church is the only true church or that we need human prophets to guide the church. I'm a Mormon but I do not believe that the Book of Mormon is the Word of God. I'm a Mormon but I don't believe temples are necessary or that couples can be married for eternity.
A knowledgeable Latter-day Saint would defy that such a person was, in fact, a true Mormon. Why? Because this person who claims to be Mormon denies the very doctrines that make Mormons what they are. At the same time, however, a Mormon who claims to be Christian denies the very doctrines that make Christians what they are.
The Mormons have a set of teachings that includes belief in the bible "as far as it is translated correctly." That allows man to "adjust" the word of God. I'm not comfortable with that. You would think that if it were improperly translated, issuing a proper translation would be a task of the highest order. While started by Joseph Smith, and claiming to have completed it, that simply never happened. The various pronouncements of the various Presidents of the church often contradict both other presidents and what they hold to be their sacred writings. It is difficult in some respects to say for a certainty what is doctrine and what is not. I find a striking parallel in the Catholic church and the Pope speaking ex-cathedra. Too many contradictions and statements of belief that run counter to the bible.
A devout Mormon thus has a spectrum of beliefs from which to select, which is not conceptually different from the many interpretations of doctrine that gives rise to the numerous Christian denominations, fundamentalist or otherwise. Mormon's can't accept all doctrines and pronouncements of all their presidents, past and present due to their contradictory nature. They believe in salvation after death, and a host of works-centered salvation precepts. As a Fundamentalist, I reject that notion. Salvation is based on faith, not works. Their perception of the highest level of heaven is based on the tasks you perform here on earth, for example a Temple Marriage. Others might be in heaven, but will find themselves separated from the three separate entities they view as comprising God (This is much different than the Fundamentalist concept of the Trinity where there is unquestionably one single God, but that goes well beyond this brief review.) Some of their writings suggest that any but the highest level of heaven is actually hell -- being separated from God for all eternity. And since salvation is based primarily on works, their Doctrines and Covenants suggests that if you sin the same sin twice, you are no longer forgiven the earlier sins and they just pile up on you -- unforgivable. My God, revealed through His Word and personified by Jesus Christ, bases salvation on faith, not works.
So Mr. Romney and I differ in our view of God and salvation. Does that make him a bad person or in some way unqualified to serve as President?
The Practical Implications
While much Mormon salvation is based on works, this is not to say that works are not good. Mormons are meticulous in performing the tasks that lead to their salvation, and many of them serve society and the individual quite well, in fact in an exemplary manner. The Mormon practice of not imbibing in alcohol, caffeine, or tobacco can have numerous health advantages. No alcohol results in no DUI's and no drunken binges. No beating your wife or kids. An even temperament. That's a good thing. A requirement that you give at least 10% of your gross income to the church is a positive thing. Spending two years on a mission, serving others, is a good thing. Staying chaste before marriage and faithful to your wife is a good thing. These Mormon practices have a very direct and beneficial impact on society. They try very hard to be "good" people.
David Neeleman, a Mormon, is CEO and founder of JetBlue Airlines which is uniquely profitable in its industry and has revenue over $1 billion annually. According to author Jeff Benedict, "the fact that his customers, his employees, his business partners, and his competitors know he's a Mormon motivates him to work extra hard at being fair, honest, and trustworthy, and leading by example. 'I believe the Mormon Church is one of the most misunderstood organizations on the planet,' Neeleman said. 'Yet we are held to a higher standard. I have to be an example and live my life in the business world the way people believe I should.'"
If all who called themselves Christians held to those standards, we would have a different planet on which to live today. Charity and good works are foundational to the Christian lifestyle, yet practiced by so few of those who try to claim the name. Mormons are different in this regard, and that is a good thing. While I differ markedly in spiritual beliefs from the Mormons, I am shamed by the level of effort they expend toward serving, and the treasure they share with, their fellow man and woman. Can a Mormon get to heaven? I believe the answer is yes, just as Catholics or any specific member of most any other religion based on the bible can. Is a Mormon a Christian? Depending on how you choose to define the term, yes or no. Can a Mormon be an effective president -- absolutely! Without question in my mind. Will he make mistakes? Yes. Will he sin? Yes, we all do. Does he personify, embody, and support the family values that have made this country great? Clearly yes. Is he motivated by a charitable heart, and a sincere sense of proper social justice? Yes. Does this Mormon have the business sense and experience to get the private sector back on track? Yes. Does he have the political experience to understand how the public sector works and how to make it work best? Yes. Is he the arch conservative he is labeled to be? No. Absolutely not. Is he my first choice to lead this country? Again, absolutely not (See my blog entry here). Is he far better qualified, with a far better temperament, a far better understanding and track record of both public and private management, and a far better sense of the American traditions than our current president? Absolutely YES. And for all those reasons, I'm going to vote for a Mormon to lead this country away from the precipice toward which it has been led by a man who claims various religious beliefs and social origins, some of which he calls Christian.
"Let me assure you that no authorities of my church, or of any other church for that matter, will ever exert influence on presidential decisions. Their authority is theirs, within the province of church affairs, and it ends where the affairs of the nation begin." Mitt Romney, 12/7/2007
Tom Reid is an attorney and Republican based in Broomfield, Colorado. View his blog at www.tom-reid.com.
15 Comments
Capt. Call in New Mexico
Tuesday, August 28, 2012 at 4:46 PM
"While voters may vote their biases and prejudices, our Constitution clearly says that "no religious test shall ever be required as a qualification to any office or public trust under the United States."
True, Tom, but the kind of test to which this refers, is what we today would call a denominational test, i.e. "Are you a Baptist, Lutheran, or Methodist?" etc, as the term "religious" was used at that time to differentiate between the various denominations. Indeed, it is still used that way today in some parts of the country.
"Many of the founding fathers were Deists -- those who believe that God created the world, but just wound it up and let it run. He is not necessarily active in our lives today."
No, Tom, not "many", but "some" were Deists. That however does not negate the fact that they gave us the the best government that fallible men could give: a government based upon their understanding of the superiority of Christianity to every other belief system. The idea was that Christianity was to be respected and encouraged, but other belief systems were to be tolerated. If America is not a Christian nation today, then it is because we the people have stopped following Christ, and have rejected the Word of God.
Ted R. Weiland in Nebraska
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 at 1:23 PM
Capt, you really should take the time to read "Bible Law vs. the United States Constitution: The Christian Perspective." Much of what you and other Christians parrot just ain't so. For example, the term "religious" or "religion" was not used merely for Christian denominations but often in the same way we do today, for all religions. This was its intent in Article 6. I prove this in the book from primary source documents, some of them from the framers themselves.
Article 6's religious test ban was one of the most hotly debated subjects in the States' ratifying conventions because they knew that it opened the door for Jews, Hindus, and Muslims to rule over Christians. Furthermore, it was by Jewish influence that it was incorporated into the Constitution in the first place. This is all documented in the book.
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Robert in Houston, Texas
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 at 4:34 PM
If they believed Christianity was superior why did they not just declare Gods WORD; Law & statutes and Judgments as the foundation stone for all decisions?
Every kingdom divided against itself is brought to desolation; and every city or house divided against itself shall not stand.
And if a house be divided against itself, that house cannot stand.
Proverbs 6: 12 ¶A naughty person, a wicked man, walketh with a froward mouth. 13 He winketh with his eyes, he speaketh with his feet, he teacheth with his fingers; 14 Frowardness is in his heart, he deviseth mischief continually; he soweth discord. 15 Therefore shall his calamity come suddenly; suddenly shall he be broken without remed
Timothy in Deland, FL
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 at 5:34 AM
Identity theft of Christ's name will never make one a christian, no more than a pick-pocket taking Trump's wallet can become Donald Trump.
At it's simplest - Christians of any sect do not believe that they will become a GOD after death. Mormons however, still have that teaching in their manuals and doctrines. Mormons like Mitt think that they become a GOD, equal to our Christian GOD.
That one fact alone separates the Mormons into heresy, and greatly shows this authors deep misunderstanding of Christianity and Mormon beliefs. Christianity isn't a cafeteria plan with a Burger King option.
Mormons Are Christian in Mendham, New Jersey
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 at 8:15 AM
Theosis
Jesus Christ’s church must represent man’s potential correctly 1 Corinthians 8:5-6, Psalm 82, John 10:34 "If we are children (of God)," wrote the apostle Paul to the Romans (8:17, New International Version), "then we are heirs — heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ." "To him that overcometh," says the Savior to John the Revelator (3:21, KJV), "will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne. He that hath an ear, let him hear."
Divinization, narrowing the space between God and humans, was part of Early Christian belief. St. Athanasius of Alexandria (Eastern Orthodox) wrote, regarding theosis, "The Son of God became man, that we might become God." Irenaeus wrote in the late 2nd Century: “we have not been made gods from the beginning, but at first merely men, then at length gods” Justin Martyr in mid 2nd Century said: “all men are deemed worthy of becoming ‘gods,’ and of having power to become sons of the Highest” St. Jerome the translator of the Latin Vulgate Bible, (d. A.D. 419), wrote that “God made man for that purpose, that from men they may become gods. They who cease to be mere men, abandon the ways of vice, and are become perfect, are gods and sons of the Most High" Clement of Alexandria said worthy men "are called by the appellation of gods, being destined to sit on thrones with the other gods that have been first put in their places by the Savior." Origen in reference to 1 Corinthians 8:5-6 said "Now it is possible that some may dislike what we have said representing the Father as the one true God, but admitting other beings besides the true God, who have become gods by having a share of God . . As, then there are many gods, but to us there is but one God the Father, and many Lords, but to us there is one Lord, Jesus Christ.” The Gospel of Thomas (which pre-dates the 4 Gospels, but was considered non-canonical by the Nicene Council) quotes the Savior: "He who will drink from my mouth will become as I am: I myself shall become he, and the things that are hidden will be revealed to him," (Gospel of Thomas 50, 28-30, Nag Hammadi Library in English, J.M.Robinson, 1st ed 1977; 3rd ed. 1988) For further information on this subject, refer to http://NewTestamentTempleRitual.blogspot.com The Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) agrees with Early Christian church leaders regarding theosis.
OKBecky in Tulsa, OK
Thursday, August 30, 2012 at 1:12 AM
Thank you for those citations. I should also point out (as a practicing Latter-day Saint) that we believe that exalted humans shall become gods, "heirs of God and co-heirs with Christ," but that does not mean we believe they shall be equal in dignity or honors with Christ or the Eternal Father. It's rather the concept of father and child: a father wants his children to grow up happy and honorable, and when they do, the children are enriched and ennobled, but even more honor and dignity accrues to the parent for their influence in raising the child. That may not be a perfect analogy - what about all those children who choose wrongly? - yet it is also taught that those who have sinned and refused to repent will acknowledge at the Last Judgment that God's judgments are just, and they will not protest their fate.
And the Nicene Creed of the 4th century was a politically-devised compromise that (of course) failed to unite all Christians under one tent. The Bible alone is insufficient to provide clear direction, simply because it can be - and is - interpreted in so many different ways. Hence the necessity of modern prophets and continuing revelation. The revelations given to Noah were insufficient for the problems of Moses's day, just as the revelations given to Moses were insufficient in the days of Ahab and Jezebel without a living prophet (Elijah) to speak and act in the name of God. As the Gospel of John says (21:25): "And there are also many other things which Jesus did, the which, if they should be written every one, I suppose that even the world itself could not contain the books that should be written." So why do so many people refuse to accept scriptures given to others of God's children, under the belief that "nothing more can be written"?
Don Ormsby in Syracuse, Utah
Thursday, August 30, 2012 at 1:42 PM
Perhaps you should broaden your study of Christian belief a bit. When it comes to deification, have you ever studied the Eastern Orthodox view? How about the Catholic position? Byzantine (Greek Catholic and Orthodox) theology, spirituality, and catechetical tradition has always centered on the near-symmetry that "God became man so that man might become God". The pronouncement balances and encompasses the wider meaning of "salvation" and the purpose of the Incarnation as defended by Saint Athanasius against the Arians. In the East, catechetical reiteration upon "participation in the divine nature" (2 Pet 1:4) and "becoming God" by grace was always standard fare.
Don Ormsby in Syracuse, Utah
Thursday, August 30, 2012 at 1:44 PM
...and one more thought: This teaching is so intrinsic to the Christian message that the dogmatic constitution, Lumen Gentium, immediately stressed God's purpose in creation as: "His plan…to raise men to a participation of the divine life" -(This and the above borrowed heavily from Matthew Tsakanikas, as quoted in "The Catholic Exchange."
Mormons Are Christian in Mendham, New Jersey
Wednesday, August 29, 2012 at 8:11 AM
If there had been no Nicene Creed or Emperor Constantine, Catholic and Protestant theology would be quite similar to Mitt Romney’s In fact, there would likely be no need for the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) to restore Jesus Christ’s church. Mormons’ theology is based on New Testament Christianity, not Fourth Century Creeds. For example, the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) views on Baptism, Lay Ministry, the Trinity, Theosis, Grace vs. Works, the Divinity of Jesus Christ are closer to Early Christianity than any other denomination. And Mormon teenagers have been judged to “top the charts” in Christian Characteristics by a UNC-Chapel Hill study. Read about it here:
http://MormonsAreChristian.blogspot.com/
According to a 2012 Pew Forum poll of members of the Church of Jesus Christ (LDS) 98 percent said they believe in the Resurrection of Jesus Christ, and 97 percent say their church is a Christian religion. They volunteer 7 times as many hours as does the general population, according to a 2012 University of Pennsylvania study. Mormons have a better understanding of Christianity than any other denomination, according to a 2010 Pew Forum poll:
http://www.pewforum.org/Other-Beliefs-and-Practices/U-S-Religious-Knowledge-Survey.aspx
11 of the signers of the Declaration of Independence (including several presidents) were non-Trinitarian Christians, as is Mitt Romney, who is as faithful as the most devout Founder.
Contrast Mitt Romney’s faith to that of Barack Obama: Rev. Jeremiah Wright, who was the Obamas’ pastor for twenty years, says “it is hard to tell” if Barack Obama converted from Islam to Christianity”. Wright says “church is not Barack’s thing”
Craig in Utah
Thursday, August 30, 2012 at 9:18 PM
Well said.
Can any Trinitarians out there explain Matt. 24:36? “But about that day or hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. (NIV Translation) Seems to suggest the Father and Son are very distinct. If God the Father and God the Son are the same person, how do you reconcile this verse?
Bruce R Pierce in Owensboro, KY
Thursday, August 30, 2012 at 9:39 AM
Remember these two Commandments;
Love the Lord God with all you heart mind and soul.
Love your neighbor as yourself.
Upon these two things all the law and the prophets rest. That is true worship anything else is religion and religion gets in the way of worship.
Chris in Wisconsin
Thursday, August 30, 2012 at 1:41 PM
I too was raised Catholic and have long since left. Over time I discovered the truth of its non scriptural and downright paganistic teachings and customs, as well as the vast majority so called "Christian denominations" ("Fundamental" type included). I am a Kingdom of Christ believer, seeker and promoter. Now you know where I'm coming from.
I'm sorry to say it Tom, but I see a lot of double mindedness in your article and reasons for supporting Mitt. You appear to be well intended, intelligent and believer in Christ -- But you think it good to support one who belongs to a religion that denies the Deity of Christ ? Because they're relatively good people (which is what I've found about Mormons too) ?
The Scriptures mandate that those in governing and justice administering type positions be not only of high integrity and character, but members of the Body of Christ, i.e., the Civil Body Politic or ecclesia. True Christians.
Moreover, they are not to be there to "legislate" and make laws. That's prerogative belongs to The Great I Am, who became flesh and dwelt among us; to Him alone. Voting for someone to make laws makes one a participant in that crime (or sin, which is defined as transgression of His Law. See the epistles of John) against God Himself. It also mandates those men be appointed, not voted in.
Voting out" the bad ones (almost all currently in office) hasn't worked for decades. What makes anyone think it will work now? Besides, look around at the people who are voting. Not only are the majority completely clueless as to what type of laws the various state and federal constitutions allow the legislatures to enact, they live in "Prozacstan", "Vicadinstan", "Flouridestan" and other similar "stans", not to mention (and more importantly) current morality levels and products of the public fool system. These are going to vote the "good" ones in?
There's are solutions. Here's the place to start: 2 Chronicles 7: 13 - 14. Pay special attention to the "... turn from ..." part. Learn the truth about redemption, salvation, full immersion for the remission of sins and His will on earth, as it is in heaven. The rest of the solutions will follow; sooner than you think. I've been to commenter Ted Weiland's website listed there. I have found it to be an excellent source for information on these truths.
P.S. Tim in FL's statement was great: "Christianity isn't a cafeteria plan with a Burger King option". I love it.
Bruce R Pierce in Owensboro, KY
Thursday, August 30, 2012 at 3:37 PM
I believe in the intent of the article, I also believe I would rather have a Mormon in office right now instead of the "Pretender in Chief" we now have. Like it or not elections are the lesser of two evils, it can't be any different as we are electing a human, and once that is accepted it will be easy to vote. “If men were angels, no government would be necessary. If angels were to govern men, neither external nor internal controls on government would be necessary.” Federalist #51, James Madison.
demsarerats in Oregon
Saturday, September 1, 2012 at 4:07 PM
Tom, your sweeping assertion that
“some will tell you that America is a Christian nation, and if that were ever true, it is highly doubtful today. Many of the founding fathers were Deists”
is nonsense. Your absurd criteria that the existence of non-Christians in America negates the claim that America is a Christian nation likewise negates the claim that Israel is a Jewish nation or that Iran is an Islamic nation, for example.
Chris in Wisconsin
Monday, September 3, 2012 at 10:26 AM
For those of you who think that somehow by you "voting" in the "good" guys things will change for the better, here's just one example (from the recent RNC) of how the game is rigged (and has been for a long time):
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=77W5OKStO5s&feature=player_embedded
Because you do not have a love of the truth, God Himself promised that He will send you a strong delusion so that you will believe a lie. 2 Thessalonians 2: 3 - 12. Emphasis on 10 - 12.
You believe the lie that your constitution and voting is the answer, while those who have mastery over you play you like a fiddle.
Quit your worship of the idol of "We The People" and that constitution that puts man in the place of God by providing for a legislature to make laws, the power that belongs solely Him. Turn back to The Great I Am that became flesh and dwelt among us and seek His Kingdom, which is to be here on Earth ("Thy will be done ... " - where ?) - before it's too late.
Look around you. "Before it's too late" appears to be right around the corner. Open your eyes and learn to see what you're looking at.
P.S. To "Mac In Arizona": You don't think Mitt knew about the rigging of the vote on the rule change in his favor? " 'nuf said".