Gun control leads to more crime. Look at the areas with the most strict gun control, and you will find the cesspools where you wouldn't want to venture after dark. I live in the country where virtually everyone owns some firearm and criminals know it would be suicide to attempt anything, plus they are too damn lazy to get out of town out to the boonies. Liberals know they must ban all weapons to enslave us and invoke their tyranny. They also are too cowardly to actually pick up a weapon, and so are highly outnumbered by 2nd amendment Patriots.

Tnen you are proving, wjm, that it works. When it works so well, many breaucracies are unneeded.

This is why gun owners and non-gun owners need to get together in a common bond: both prefer due process and rule of law: both understand independence, and both know they want smaller government. This will compound numbers by the tens of millions in favor of smaller government better than so-called lobbies can.

Among flat tax and other passions in 2012, the repeal of all gun control will de-incentivize and disempower big government propositions, and we will see a return to citizen involvement instead of indolence.

But unlike flat tax, the armed citizen will show -- as you show -- that crime is fought best at the scene of the crime and not in costly programs.

Liberals are only 20% of the electorate, usually the loudest. We need to call muster on the reaining 80% (many of whom are not gun owners) ans ask: would you repeal gun control if it began a process which reduced the size of government?

Just like alcohol, drugs, tobacco, automatic weakpons, explosives, etc. the gun control crowd has not arrived at the realization that the more things are restricted or banned, the more certain types of individuals want them and find ways to circumvent the law to obtain them. These people cannot come to terms with the concept that if none of these things were banned or heavily regulated, there would be no more, and maybe less, crime and violation of basic law than we have now. Those of us not programmed to perform illegal acts would not do so no matter what the law says.

Very well put, again, my good friend John. It does seem that we are making inroads toward Freedom once again. However, we must remain vigilant, and VERY cautious of our political class. They have, with the meek concession of the masses, installed themselves into self-appointed positions of monarchy, as evidenced most recently by Obama publicly stating that although he signed certain legislation into law, he feels he has no need to abide by such law if he believes it is not suitable to him. The king hath spoke. I aim to prove him wrong.

TO FREEDOM: You cannot conquer a Free man, you can only kill him.

TSgt B

Your statement: "In America, the people are the Sovereign, and we have the monopoly on all force here. We own and we operate the weapons from guns to the baton on the hip of a state trooper. We own the satellites, the aircraft, all platforms, and all assets right down to the freeways, parks and several college campuses." IS A DELUSION AND IN ERROR.

Ownership at its essence means control. If "the people" had all this control that you cite, we'd be in no trouble at all. But we don't.

If you "own" (hold title to) land in a city or county, why do you pay them "rent" (taxes)? Why do you ask their permission (zoning) to do certain things with your "own" property?

No, the trooper owns his baton because he alone is in control of it and he'll beat you on the head with it if he so desires and when you complain to the authorities, who will they believe?

If I actually own that which you say I own, I hereby put my share up for sale! Any takers?

ONLY SOVEREIGN INDIVIDUALS ACTUALLY OWN THEIR LIVES AND PROPERTY. ESCAPE SLAVERY, BE A SOVEREIGN INDIVIDUAL!

Yep,

All our Rights are GOD given. Our Constitution merely restates some of those Rights in an effort to restrain those who wish to encroach into areas where they have no business, using "color of authority" as a weapon to intimidate, confuse, and otherwise confound those Citizens who still cling to their innate Sovereignty under God. Our God given status accounts for the very common feeling among Americans that "somethin' ain't right here". When I was growing up, not all that long ago, everyone knew what it was to be an actual citizen, and to live in a free Republic, where the typical relationship with our government was something like "Gee, I don't think about it much, but now that you mention it, I think I saw my letter carrier (mailman to us seasoned citizens) the other day." This in contrast to our present state, where one practically needs a permit or a license of some sort to break wind, not to mention to actually do anything. In this light, Ron Paul is the only one even close to a real choice. If this makes me crazy, so be it. At least I can meet my Maker with a clear conscience...

Pertaining to "gun control" there are three catagories of people.

1. "GOVERNMENT" : CIA, FBI, BATF, MILITARY, POLICE, SHERIFFS, ARMED GUARDS - to name a few.

These people carry weapons in the course of their duties.

2. "THE PEOPLE" : The vast majority of us who go to work, pay taxes, OBEY LAWS, and live the American Dream.

3. The "CRIMINAL ELEMENT" : those who not only disobey laws but make their own.

Throughout the course of history, TWO of the above catagories have always had guns, have guns today, and will always have guns in the future, no exceptions.

Guess what catagory "GUN CONTROL" pertains to.

It's NOT about controlling guns!

No free man shall ever be debarred the use of arms. Thomas Jefferson Who can say it any better ??

Here are several pertinent quotes on the subject --

"The most foolish mistake we could possibly make would be to allow the subject races to possess arms. History shows that all conquerors who have allowed their subject races to carry arms have prepared their own downfall by so doing. Indeed, I would go so far as to say that the supply of arms to the underdogs is a sine qua non for the overthrow of any sovereignty." - Adolf Hitler

"A system of licensing and registration is the perfect device to deny gun ownership to the bourgeoisie." - Vladimir Ilyich Lenin

"Gun registration is not enough." - Attorney General, Janet Reno, December 10, 1993

"What good does it do to ban some guns? All guns should be banned." - Democrat Sen. Howard Metzanbaum.

"I see creeping fascism in America, just as in Germany, a drip at a time: a law here, a law there, all supposedly passed to protect the public. The German people really believed that only hoodlums owned such (unregistered) guns. What fools we were. It truly frightens me to see how the government, media, and some police groups in America are pushing for the same mindset." - Theodore Haas, survivor of Dachau and the Holocaust.

Here are a couple more quotes "fer ya":

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive". CS Lewis

A free people ought not only be armed and disciplined, but they should have sufficient arms and ammunition to maintain a status of independence from any who might attempt to abuse them, which would include their own government. – George Washington

I would certainly like to see the thesis presented in this article come to pass, but I despair of any such possibility for a very specific reason: This is not simply a case of the gun owner and non-gun owner comparing notes and finding common ground. There is a third faction, who see owning a gun – owning all the guns – as a prerequisite to the faction’s agenda. We allow ourselves to believe we have found “common ground” with this faction at our peril, for this faction regards “truth” as that which advances the agenda, and all else is irrelevant and counterproductive.

I've given this a great deal of thought over the years and I have ocncluded that there are tens of millions of Americans more who love America and who are confused, frustrated, and loyal; they would love to have some legal and proper solution.

This is it.

They may accept being reminded that they have neglected their duties -- that's the easy part; the hard part is getting them to re-adopt those duties.

I think we can do it. Couldn't have done it two years ago. Now, I think we can muster a national will.

I am going to announce an outreach KIT to be available to both organizations and individuals who like talking to people and who are looking for a message and grounding on a common bond. Write me to be notified when this kit is ready. John-at-ContrastMediaPress.com and I'll notify you when it's polished and available on CD-ROM.

It can be done, Donald.

Most of the univerisity preofessors are trying to subvert or eliminate the basic tenents of our Constitution, especially the FIRDT AND SECOND ANEMDMENTS. Nulify thos two, and history shows that chaos and slavory will take over. This is the aim of those who are rewriting the text books: Change history so that the new generation doesent know what wont work and why. So, over my lifetime universities have eliminated over 90 percent of Christian professors. (Cornell had only two outspoken Christrians. untill one retired at age 75.)

At 96, almost 97, I have a lot to say, but it takes me too long to say it. Phil