Wednesday Chronicle

Obama's Destructive War on Carbon

Jun. 26, 2013

The Foundation

“Arbitrary power is most easily established on the ruins of liberty abused to licentiousness.” –George Washington

Editorial Exegesis

Leftist climate policy in a nutshell

“It is remarkable that when the scientific consensus on global warming is at its weakest state in years, President Barack Obama has decided to make the issue a new focus of his troubled presidency – and, indeed, that he intends to use the issue as the launching pad for a radical extension of federal power even more significant than his health-care takeover. … [T]he president announced that, on behalf of ‘all of humankind,’ he is in effect directing the EPA to take over the American economy. New power plants will be subject to emissions controls, and existing plants will have to be retrofitted to comply with new standards. New restrictions on heavy trucks will affect the movement of freight and goods across the country. New subsidies will be handed down for politically connected energy firms, and federal lands will be set aside for their use. New federal impositions will affect the construction of factories, commercial buildings, and private homes. The president says that this is all enabled by the ‘overwhelming judgment of science.’ … Every economic activity involving energy or transportation – which is to say, every economic activity – will be affected by the president’s global-warming program. … Most significant, the president telegraphed his intention to torpedo the Keystone XL pipeline project, which has long been ready to go but has been snarled up by politics. … Rather than develop what we already have, the Obama administration is threatening to hamstring our most likely source of economic growth and new jobs for the coming generation in the hopes that fads such as solar power will pay off. That is not justified by science, by economics, or by sensible policy analysis. What it is, in fact, is an attempt by a foundering administration to change the subject from scandal to sunshine.” –National Review

Upright

“[I]n truth Mr. Obama’s target is all forms of carbon energy. Natural gas is next. The higher costs will ripple through the energy chain, which is precisely Mr. Obama’s goal. Only by artificially raising the cost of carbon energy can he make even heavily subsidized ‘renewables’ competitive. In general every $1 billion spent complying with an EPA rule threatens 16,000 jobs and cuts GDP by $1.2 billion – and the agency is now writing scores of multibillion-dollar rules. Keep in mind that last month the Administration quietly raised the ‘social cost’ of carbon by 60% in a regulatory filing related to microwave ovens. That means the EPA can jack up costs by 59.99% and still justify them by claiming the higher benefits. … The Americans who will be harmed will have to console themselves with 99 weeks of jobless benefits, food stamps and ObamaCare.” –The Wall Street Journal

“I think a simpler, fairer immigration system that allows more legal immigration would be good for the country and more humane for those who are currently standing in line to get into this country. I’m not opposed to the idea that a robust legal immigration plan can be a net gain to our economy and our people. I think the majority of those here illegally are here to make a better life for themselves and I’m sympathetic to that, though not totally forgiving. But if such a reform is to allow those who have broken the law coming here to be rewarded for those actions, it should at the very least, offer some assurances that it might actually solve the illegal immigration problem in something close to satisfactory fashion. That seems like a pretty low bar for a bill whose raison d'etre is supposed to be solving the illegal immigration problem.” –blogger Mary Katharine Ham

“Republicans might want to consider the fact that the real threat of a ‘death spiral’ comes from alienating one’s core constituency. A constituency that has made it clear any bill in which border security isn’t the top priority is a deal-breaker. That would be genuine border security, not the so-called triggers and/or the aforementioned flexibility that render it completely impotent. Republicans might want to consider something else as well. Virtually all of the progressive agenda is based on the politics of incrementalism. That means this bill represents a point of departure, not the ‘last time’ endgame its supporters in both parties claim it to be. As soon as the ink is dry on any comprehensive reform package, Democrats will be right back to work, attempting to ‘modify’ the more ‘onerous’ and ‘inhumane’ aspects of the bill.” –columnist Arnold Ahlert

“In 2012, the Treasury collected $2.4 trillion in taxes, more than $20,000 per household. Sounds like a lot, and it is. But it wasn’t enough. The federal government spent $3.5 trillion. ‘Lord, the money we do spend on government,’ Will Rogers once quipped. ‘And it’s not one bit better than the government we got for one-third the money 20 years ago.’ More than 80 years after he said that, the problem has only worsened. Too much drag makes it impossible for an airplane to fly. The same is true for economies. Lawmakers need to get serious about taming the debt, not take bows for fleeting improvements.” –former Heritage president Ed Feulner

Editor’s Note

The Supreme Court struck down the Defense of Marriage Act this morning. DOMA was passed by a bipartisan Congress and signed by Democrat President Bill Clinton in order to protect states from having to recognize the decisions made by other states on marriage. Justice Anthony Kennedy, however, wrote, “DOMA is unconstitutional as a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Fifth Amendment.”

We’ll have more on this issue in Friday’s Digest, so stay tuned.

Insight

“But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime.” –French economist Frederic Bastiat (1801-1850)

“The wise and correct course to follow in taxation is not to destroy those who have already secured success, but to create conditions under which everyone will have a better chance to be successful.” –President Calvin Coolidge (1873-1933)

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Demo-gogues

Hot air: “Now, we know that no single weather event is caused solely by climate change. … But we also know that in a world that’s warmer than it used to be, all weather events are affected by a warming planet.” –Barack Obama

Making it up: “In fact, those who are already feeling the effects of climate change don’t have time to deny it – they’re busy dealing with it. … I had to sit on a meeting with the Department of Interior and Agriculture and some of the rest of my team just to figure out how we’re going to pay for more and more expensive fire seasons.” –BO (In reality, this year’s fire season is the quietest on record.)

“So the question is not whether we need to act. The overwhelming judgment of science … has put all that to rest. Ninety-seven percent of scientists, including, by the way, some who originally disputed the data, have now put that to rest.” –BO (The 97% consensus: “a lie of presidential proportions.”)

Silencing debate isn’t science: “I don’t have much patience for anyone who denies that this challenge is real. We don’t have time for a meeting of the Flat Earth Society. Sticking your head in the sand might make you feel safer, but it’s not going to protect you from the coming storm.” –BO

Chutzpah: “It’s been 86 days since the Senate passed a budget. Republicans, stop obstructing us from proceeding to conference.” –Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid (D-NV) (Reid went FOUR YEARS without passing a budget in the Senate.)

Hyperbole: “This [immigration issue] has the potential of becoming the next civil rights movement.” –Sen. Chuck Schumer (D-NY)

Dezinformatsia

A sick joke: “[R]emember … after Superstorm Sandy when the oceans did rise and people died and people lost their homes and people wanted help for their families. So, you know, Obama got the last laugh.” –Salon’s Joan Walsh

World ends, minorities hardest hit: “Whether or not we’ll get a new voting rights act is anybody’s guess. Right now, there is no voting rights act operative in the United States.” –ABC’s Terry Moran

This week’s “Gratuitous Nazi Reference” Award: “Clarence Thomas’s actions [on The Voting Rights Act] here today, though consistent, though tragic to me, are even more so in light of the bulk of decisions he’s rendered in the name of a judicial vote on the Supreme Court. A symbolic Jew has invited a metaphoric Hitler to commit holocaust and genocide upon his own people.” –MSNBC’s Michael Eric Dyson

Utilitarianism is ugly: “Most people intuitively know that an embryo is not a human being, but most people also intuitively know that at 20 weeks or 22 weeks or 24 weeks, the fetus has some sort of value, even if not value that trumps the interests of the mother.” –Newsweek’s Michelle Goldberg

“Republicans face a tremendous deficit with women voters. And so they keep putting on this spectacle over and over and over again. … They’re obsessed with this idea of making women – this isn’t pro-life; this is forced birth. They are obsessed with this notion of shaming, compelling, coercing, whatever they have to do to make women give birth. It’s bizarre, but it is what they are about.” –MNSBC’s Joy Reid

Village Idiots

Nuclear dose of hot air: “The total amount of man-made global warming pollution surrounding the planet and the atmosphere today now traps enough extra energy every 24 hours to equal the energy release by 400,000 Hiroshima atomic bombs going off every single day.” –Al Gore

Civility: “I heard a great program on CurrentTV yesterday about people who deny climate change, and I’m in favor of what their solution was. We don’t have to talk to them anymore about stuff that’s not true and this propaganda that’s a lie. We’re just going to run ‘em over.” –former DNC chief Howard “The Scream” Dean

Non sequitur of the week: “[Abraham Lincoln’s] approach to slavery makes me sure he would move on stopping [climate change] because it is moral issue of our time.” –professor and environmental propagandist Jonathan Overpeck

“The one thing the president really needs to do now is to begin the process of shutting down the conventional coal plants. Politically, the White House is hesitant to say they’re having a war on coal. On the other hand, a war on coal is exactly what’s needed.” –Obama climate adviser Daniel P. Schrag

What direction? “[W]e have an administration today that I am proud to say no longer defends the constitutionality of DOMA (Defense of Marriage Act). That’s an enormous step forward.” –Secretary of State John Kerry

Here we go: “It’s time for our culture to wake up and smell the sex pheromones: monogamy is not natural for many, or probably even most, humans. With people living longer than ever before, a greater tolerance toward the human impulse to experience sexual variety is needed. … History and biology suggest that strict monogamy, which has social advantages, is not a 'one size’ fits all proposition.” –author Meghan Laslocky

Short Cuts

“It’s telling that the scare tactics deployed by the proponents of comprehensive immigration reform all revolve around politics: massive rallies on the Washington Mall and an angry Hispanic electorate. In reality, it might be the folks using the scare tactics who are the ones running scared. Maybe they’re afraid that the longer their bill is debated and the more sunshine it’s exposed to, the less likely the American people are to support it.” –National Review’s John Fund

“People who refuse to accept unpleasant truths have no right to complain about politicians who lie to them. What other kind of candidates would such people elect?” –economist Thomas Sowell

“[I]n his commencement speech at Ohio State, Obama warned the graduating class not to listen to those who tell them the tyrant is just around the corner. For once, he was right. The tyrant wasn’t lurking in the wings. He was standing at the podium.” –columnist Burt Prelutsky

“President Obama flew to Germany to address the German people in Berlin. It might cheer him up. He’s been ripped by both U.S. parties lately for being an an authoritarian and a compulsive speech-maker so he might as well go where it’s traditionally appreciated.” –comedian Argus Hamilton

“President Obama got some good news today. The IRS ruled he can write off the first half of his second term as a total loss.” –comedian Jay Leno

Semper Vigilo, Fortis, Paratus et Fidelis!
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158 Comments

"Bitter Clinger" in Kansas said:

Defeat of DOMA...another nail in the coffin.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 11:14 AM

Mike McGinn in People's Republic of Maryland replied:

The coffin lid is nearly sealed now. Yestday, in 1962, a landmark United States Supreme Court case determined in Engel v. Vitale, 370 U.S. 421, that it was unconstitutional for state officials to compose an official school prayer and require its recitation in public schools. Can you believe we've let our society deteriorate so much in the past half century?

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 12:28 PM

Bruce R Pierce in Owensboro, Ky said:

No problem, if other States can dictate to the State of Kentucky on the definition of marriage because it deprives equal Liberty then other States have to follow Kentucky’s definition of the right to bear arms. Being unable to exercise that right as I am allowed in my home State is unconstitutional as it is a deprivation of the equal liberty of persons that is protected by the Second Amendment.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 11:31 AM

Kirk in Maryland, USA replied:

Interesting line of reasoning...

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 12:28 PM

MIResident in Michigan replied:

That's a great point. I'd prefer government get out of the marriage business anyway. To a degree I really don't care who you assign your job benefits to - although there are limits (maybe only 4 wives can be added).

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 12:47 PM

wsparks sr in lex ky replied:

BRUCE
KEEP UP THE FIGHT, CONCEAL CARRY IS ONE TOOL TO FIGHT WITH.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 2:00 PM

Bruce R Pierce in Owensboro, Ky replied:

Who is talking about concealed carry, Kentucky is an "open carry" State that requires no license or registration. That's what I'm talking about.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 2:27 PM

Tom in Erie, Pa said:

There is no debate about global warming in the scientific community. There's only a cadre of people that refuse to acknowledge it because it would warrant changes in the way they do business.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Mike in Bremerton replied:

There is plenty of debate - but the AGW advocates work hard to stifle debate, because they have a hard time defending their position - when models don't work, when they 'modify the data' to fit curves, etc. ...and when they can't explain warmer periods of time. The global warming advocates prefer to shutdown the debate. OTOH - those challenging the AGW claims ask for modeling to explain the Medieval Warm Period, the Roman warm period - both periods of time where it was warmer than it is at present. The AGW advocates don't/can't model or explain the regular long period changes (ice ages), or intermediate period changes....all they want to do is use hype to push for big government solutions that are very costly and won't really work...

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 11:51 AM

Craig in Emeryville replied:

You should spend some time following the links on this page:

http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn11462-climate-change-a-guide-for-the-perplexed.html#.UctWcj4Y0jM

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 5:00 PM

Kirk in Maryland, USA replied:

You got it part right - business. Global warming is a business. A big business. Al Gore struck it rich on scaring people. I can't understand how people who scream about big evil corporations buy their line of BS when it concerns global cooling, I mean warming, I mean climate change, whatever.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 12:27 PM

Charles W. Good in Shenandoah VA replied:

I totally agree with wjm in Colorado and I also believe that you Mr. Tom in Pa are a total idiot. That has never been and will not be any proof of global warming. What a dumbass.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 12:32 PM

RK Sprau in L.C. N.M. replied:

How I love the names. You fight over a non issue meanwhile what happens? We all loose for we have lost sight of the battlefield, we can't see the forest for the trees. You argue over a weather change which it has, what about all the other issues?

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 4:29 PM

Merry in Cave Creek, AZ replied:

RK Sprau--- You have ZERO standing on which to argue the pros or cons of global warming/climate change/ the next ice age. Your ignorance on most subjects is demonstrated with repeated illogical, senseless, and downright insane conclusions. When it comes to science PLEASE stay the hell out of it. Global warming and yada, yada, yada CANNOT be affected by man---"GLOBAL" is the key word here. Ever stand at the top of a mountain and feel superior to Mother nature or the Creator's work? If so you are a damned fool. Man CAN stop polluting nearby waterways, stripping local forests bare, and killing wildlife in his neighborhood. He would be better doing what he can with what he has where he is in all things--- and I mean all.

The PC "global" call matches the "fair trade" BS---what's fair in my neck of the woods isn't necessarily fair in yours. This is all crap and the gullible, as always, (like you) go along. Your ignorance, along with that of others, will hasten the destruction of this nation. It is taken apart by the financial, moral, and educational systems that have perpetuated stupidity to the nth degree.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 11:25 PM

RK Sprau in L.C. N.M. replied:

You sell homes, correct? I'll tell you what, I'll stay out if you stay out. go take your AR 15 and practice for someday you might need it.I love how everyone is ignorant except you. What degree do you have and in what? I am not meteorologist yet the weather has changed. It's not the point, it is are you going to call names or are you going to prepare for a change?
Do you listen to yourself, you spout God yet manage to swaer. Fine this planet was given to us for stewardship, to take care of, not to abuse. I never said we are the cause yet the last salmon I caught I couldn't eat? Why Mercury poisoning from a factory yet we don't harm the environment. Nice try now chill.

Thursday, June 27, 2013 at 1:24 AM

MIResident in Michigan replied:

Google 'US nuclear submarines surface in Artic Sea' to see a picture of very little ice in the Artic - circa 1962.

If you want to go off the grid and live w/o electricity you are free to do so - but you have no right to take away that choice of others.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 12:49 PM

Craig in Emeryville replied:

It's true that there's no scientific debate, but the reasons for denial seem unrelated to business. Mostly I see people here who can't wrap their heads around the fact that accepting the science doesn't mean they have to cave to the Left. They are just ideologically motivated. Ditto for the ones who want to pretend that evolution isn't real.

Expect to be called some rather unimaginative names in lieu of actual debate.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Jayve in ABQ, NM replied:

You're right Craig. Us stupid neanderthal conservatives just cannot wrap our dumb little heads around science. I should have thought about that before I got my advanced degree in Chemistry. And yet there you go, denigrating those who do not agree with your "science" in the same breath of expecting to be called names. You must be an engineer.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 5:11 PM

John Q Citizen in Colorado replied:

Easy on the Engineer bit. Some of us are a bit off the farm but not all.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 5:15 PM

Craig in Emeryville replied:

Jayve:

I never called conservatives neanderthal (although indications are they were pretty smart) nor stupid. I said that many conservatives are ideologically motivated to reject science piecemeal. There are plenty of examples on this thread.

Thursday, June 27, 2013 at 12:13 PM

Brian in Newport News replied:

Craig, if evolution is real, where are all the fossils that are the "intermediate" between the species (eg. half way between lizard and bird)? We (mankind) have now unearthed milliions of fossils and not one demonstrates that one kind of animal has evolved into another kind.

Thursday, June 27, 2013 at 7:20 AM

Craig in Emeryville replied:

Brian, I'm not going to go too far down this road because I have yet to find a creationist who will honestly look at the data. But the answer to your question is that *every single fossil ever found* completely supports the theory of evolution, and *not one fossil ever found refutes it*.

Every fossil is a "transitional fossil". The dishonest and the ideologically motivated, when presented with yet another one, simply move the goal posts and claim there are now two new gaps.

Literally *all* the scientific evidence is on the side of evolution. It is the only scientific theory for speciation, *and there are no competing theories*.

The theory could be completely proven without a single fossil, as Darwin showed brilliantly. It could also be completely proven through DNA. The evidence is overwhelming and along multiple lines of evidence. Absolutely nothing in modern biology or medicine makes sense except in the light of evolution.

It is *not possible* to rationally deny that evolution is taking place. (Because it never stops, you know.) No more than one could rationally claim the world is flat. All known life on this planet shares a common ancestry. It's a wonderful and awe-inspiring thing, really.

Unfortunately there are some very deceptive liars out there, such as Michael Behe and his merry band at the so-called "Discovery Institute" (which has never discovered a thing) sowing FUD with their "Intelligent Design" nonsense. It is nothing but creationism in a lab coat. And they *do not do science* there.

There is nothing remotely "conservative" about deliberately ignoring science when it clashes with one's own world view. It happens that most of the people trying to pretend that evolution and global warming don't exist are conservatives. It also happens that most of the people who don't like science telling them that human life begins at conception are on the Left. Those are both examples of trying to bend reality to fit a political or religious agenda.

Reality isn't up for a vote.

Thursday, June 27, 2013 at 12:07 PM

Brian in Newport News replied:

"The theory could be completely proven without a single fossil"

No, it can't. But then, neither can intelligent design. The problem is that in order to be scientifically proven, there has to be an ability to be reproduced. Obviously neither can and thus both, scientifically anyway, must remain theories.

Friday, June 28, 2013 at 6:38 AM

Craig in Emeryville replied:

Brian: Intelligent Design can never be proven because it isn't science. And, for extra measure, every claim it's made has been falsified.

But, like I said, I've been down this road with creationists before. They can be very stubborn. I used to be one, but the evidence eventually won me over to the truth. I hope someone else here makes it as well.

All of the evidence points towards evolution. All of it. Nothing, to date, has refuted it. That's why it can be called a Theory. It works.

Friday, June 28, 2013 at 8:15 AM

Craig in Emeryville replied:

Brian:

You want halfway between lizard and bird? Is this close enough?

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Microraptor

Or just read the long list of transitional fossils between old dinosaurs and modern birds (which are now considered avian dinosaurs):

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/List_of_transitional_forms#Dinosaur_to_bird.5B15.5D

Thursday, June 27, 2013 at 1:23 PM

Brian in Newport News replied:

Hmm. That is quite a stretch. Lots of mutational changes still missing between lizard and bird. Looks like a bird to me. Complete feathers with a funny tail.

Friday, June 28, 2013 at 6:31 AM

Craig in Emeryville replied:

Of course it looks like a bird to you, even with four wings and a lizard-like skeletal structure. That's because you don't want to accept the idea.

Friday, June 28, 2013 at 8:09 AM

R Daneel in Texas replied:

Okay, Erie Tom, try this. Maybe back about 10 years or so ago the data that created the famed 'hockey-stick' graph was used to reverse engineer the supposed climate models that produced that weird graph. Now for the math/computer challenged this is an accepted method. You take the input data set and the output data set and create a model that faithfully recreates the unknown algorithm. Here is the punch line. No matter what the input data was the output was always the same = the 'hockey-stick'. They even used white noise and got the same results. Now, for the layman what that means is that the modeling algorithm is so jiggered up it is just junk to give a predetermined output. IOW, junk.

Conclusion, the original 'tree ring temperature data' is just junk - noise and invalid. => AGW is also.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 11:22 PM

Anthony in the people's republic of CT said:

can anyone say "atlas shrugged"?

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Nelson Whipple in Charlotte, NC said:

Simply one more giant step in Hussein Obama's plan to take over America and take us in to slavery. We may never have another presidential election!!

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 11:32 AM

Anton D Rehling in Olympia, WA replied:

If so we will have another civil war

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Anton D Rehling in Olympia, WA replied:

War between the State, over states rights, I get it

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 10:26 PM

RADDAD in Atlanta said:

Conservative leaders - GET A SPINE !! You are the immediate opposition to this crazed incredible behavior. Where is he getting the authority to push and enact his agenda OVER CONGRESS ?. Where are the separation of powers ? Reign in the Federal government or there will no need for State legislators. DOMA gone/ O'Care upheld as legal/ IRS actions/ AP Probing/ Libya / F & F - Are you aware that discussing one's belief in the service is reason to be brought up on charges ? Stop this NOW, or it may not be able to be Stopped !!!

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 11:36 AM

Conan in Kentucky said:

At some point (soon?) the WILL of the People must prevail !!
In our Representative form of Gov't that WILL is expressed through our Congress and NOT solely through the Executive Branch as our Petulant President seems to desire. The Constitutionality is at best suspect even for a supposed former scholar.
The logic of these moves and the timing makes this new Czarist movement suspect in light of the numerous and growing scandals surrounding the Presidents régime. Considering that the real priorities of WE The People are Jobs & the Economy, Saving the World is pretty far down the list!!!! Perhaps in his all expense paid vacation to Africa he can reconsider his as usual faulty judgment..

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Anton D Rehling in Olympia, WA replied:

It is looking more and more like the only way we will prevail in securing our Liberty is an exercise of what is described in our declaration of Independence.

"Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security."

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 2:37 PM

Bruce R Pierce in Owensboro, Ky said:

What Michelle Goldberg does not understand is that if “something” is growing, getting larger through division of cells, it is alive and if its parents are both human then it follows that “something” is a living human being. Killing a living human being for no reason other than it exists is murder. That murder is also in direct violation of the responsibility nature gave the female of the species to nurture their young to advance the species. It is called survival and women have a very important part in the natural process of life.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 11:44 AM

Mark in Lexington replied:

I am pro-abortion...with conditions. I think that all children up to the legal age of 18 should be "eligible" for abortion. If your 3 year old throws tantrums, if your 16 year old is disrespectful, just kill them. There is absolutely no difference in murdering a 10 year old or just conceived week old child.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 12:01 PM

Charles W. Good in Shenandoah VA replied:

I think teenagers should be taught to keep their freakin pants on. Insinuating that they have the right to have sex if they want is ludicrous. How about thinking about the consequences before engaging in sexual activity. How about girls saying "NO" like they did when I was a teenager and if they guy doesn't take NO for an answer he should be arrested for rape. How about that? I believe it would work.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 12:26 PM

Bruce R Pierce in Owensboro, Ky replied:

Good point, I think it is called choice and if you make the right choice early on you don't have to make the wrong choice later on.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 1:56 PM

RK Sprau in L.C. N.M. replied:

I detect some O.T. Bible, Interesting point.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Tony in Venice Beach CA said:

Senate, House, Congress and we the people are under SIEGE!!!!!!!!

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 11:52 AM

Christina in Niles IL said:

In protest we should bound together and refuse to celebrate INDEPENCE DAY, we have been robbed of it.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 11:56 AM

Anton D Rehling in Olympia, WA replied:

Instead of not celebrating Independence Day we celebrate on the steps of our State Capitols armed to the teeth, exercising our 2nd amendment right and demand a redress of grievances which is a 1st amendment right and Demand our 4th amendment right be followed by our government.
“The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 2:46 PM

Mark in Lexington said:

It's not about DOMA, the 2nd amendment, Obamacare, the EPA, etc. It's about power. To debate one of the myriad issues that the president throws the public's way is to miss the forest for the trees. The country is in SERIOUS trouble.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 11:56 AM

LOU in NM said:

Ask the Native Americans about immigration and gun control. Go work in Mexico like am now doing and find out the real reason why they are in the place they are. You live in America in a Corporation Government and there is no bill of rights or Constitution and I can prove it.. We all know that the Mexican Government is corrupt and we can deal with it knowing not to get in bed with them. The people in the US thing they are getting something for nothing and voted that way along with the ballet fraud by Obama there is only one ward to catteries the US people and that is stupid. America will survive the Obama's but not the stupid people. The government dose not give a dam what you think or say about them. The US has two options. One is to fight with more than just wards, or get out. When the person in the White House cant prove with out question that he is a US citizen there is little hope for the people to live in a land of laws. The US has 5% of the world population and 25% of the prison population. Fact is that in the US today you have NO freedoms.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 12:09 PM

RK Sprau in L.C. N.M. replied:

I am 1/2 native American so I'll answer. We despise gun control, we loathe it. We hate man made laws about hunting/fishing. We take what we need to feed our family. We hate what we call (Pale Mans Government for all governments lie). We do not respect anyone who does not respect us. this is in walks of life, religious, moral, you name it.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 4:37 PM

Merry in Cave Creek, AZ replied:

Oh really RK---and on immigration? Do you get your casino cash or indian health service bennies (or ANY of your "full blooded" relatives? Sheesh...

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 11:36 PM

RK Sprau in L.C. N.M. replied:

Sell your homes and stay out of something you obviously no less than zero about.You want to play race card, fine, lets play a race card. I do not accept F.S., medical or Casino money. You took our land by force, you said genocide for Native Americans aren't allowed to live. You put my fathers family on the worst land you could find, then you made us independent on you. You want immigration, get off of my forefathers land, land you stole and lied to keep. See, I can sound just as raciest as you. Now what did you prove except a raciest jab. Here's a major surprise, most Native Americans are very proud of who they are and very Conservative. You turn them off, they will vote against you. have you learned nothing from the last 2 election cycles? If you want an honest debate about my heritage, bring it. If you care, I'm 1/2 Chiricahua, 1/2 German. I guess being anti big government, anti gun control, independent if allowed, that is 2 liberal for you. Your made about casinos, I know, shut down all the riverboats, Las Vegas and Reno, and cruises outside the territorial limit. Those are white states and white people. See how raciest that sounds? As for my full blooded relatives, they fought for this country in WW2, Korea, and Vietnam. Tell me, what did you fight for?

Thursday, June 27, 2013 at 1:38 AM

Brian in Newport News replied:

I have always had a soft spot in my heart for native Americans, ever since I saw "Little Big Man." We whites treated them rather despicably in nearly all cases. BTW, I am 1/32 Cherokee... not much but proud of it.

Hey RK, how is this for off topic? Lol!

Thursday, June 27, 2013 at 7:30 AM

BuzzardB in Havertown replied:

god bless you. BTW, you all. Where is John Galt? How about the 100 million dollar vacation man? Where is that jackass? We are so foolish to allow this King Barry such freedom, while he attempts to swipe ours!

Thursday, June 27, 2013 at 11:55 AM

American Rifleman in McKeesport,PA.15132 said:

Hey,nobody wanted bamer care.They shoved up up our collective rectums,anyway.It is time to remove those politico reps,who mis represent us Americans.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 12:09 PM

Kat in AZ said:

It should come as no surprise that Obama is pushing this Global warming hoax - it's another way to control people. WAKE UP - Obama HATES this Country and his goal has been to destroy it (with the help of Dems and Republicans) from the beginning! He said as much when he stated he wanted to transform America. Visions of early Hitler are unfolding in the US daily.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Anton D Rehling in Olympia, WA replied:

It is nothing more than another distraction form Benghazi, IRS, AP and Fox reporter unwarranted spying among a multitude of other governmental tyranny of which his global warming climate change is part of.

Obama and company are pushing very hard to get a reaction from "WE the People" and that reaction he wants is someone to try the force of arms. He has forgotten Lexington and Concord where we faced the world’s most powerful army and after years of war defeated the army of the tyrant King George the III

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 2:53 PM

RK Sprau in L.C. N.M. replied:

I concur yet we all do it. We want woman to stay home, make less for the same job and be 2nd to a man. Maybe this is correct, I don't know. It is a form of control. Let's take the woman right to vote for we want the good old days of the suffrage movement. We have a 2 edged knife. what to do? I'm serious? Where do we draw the line?

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Merry in Cave Creek, AZ replied:

What have you been smoking in that pipe of yours RK?

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 11:37 PM

RK Sprau in L.C. N.M. replied:

Call me on it We can start with Megn Kelly on FOX News taking her Conservative brethren to task over woman staying home, woman need to earn less. I can go on. Did you read the GOP report made on the GOP by the GOP? I have.

Thursday, June 27, 2013 at 1:40 AM

RK Sprau in L.C. N.M. replied:

Megan Kelly:
http://www.theblaze.com/stories/2013/05/31/megyn-kelly-confronts-lou-dobbs-after-he-calls-her-oh-dominant-one-during-segment-on-women-work-comments/ Fox news. Maybe Fox news men have been smoking the suffrage movement. check and mate. I could go on.

Thursday, June 27, 2013 at 2:42 AM

Brian in Newport News replied:

I didn't read the link. But you know what? It is no other person's business what a person earns (man or woman). If a person is willing to work for someone at the pay they are offered, WHO CARES? If they feel they are earning too little, let them ask for a pay raise or find another job! It is not my business, it is not your business, it is not the government's business. We need to get government out of controlling the labor market (among a myriad of other things) and let the free market work its magic. We need only enough government to keep people/businesses secure and honest.

Thursday, June 27, 2013 at 7:41 AM

BuzzardB in Havertown replied:

You are correct. And it is happening. The people who swore an oath of fidelity to the Constitution lied to us. Vote them out. Schmucky Schumer,et al.

Thursday, June 27, 2013 at 11:57 AM

Vsshooter in Memphis, TN said:

If this POS POTUS is NOT impeached soon this country will go down in chaos which will leave this POS in charge of the nation under martial law, which is exactly what he wants.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 12:14 PM

Martha in Grayslake IL replied:

He does not serve - us we the people. He serves the NATION OF ISLAM & THE MUSLIM BROTHERHOOD. " White man is the devil, praise brother OJ for killing a white whore, one day the streets of America will flow like rivers with the blood of the white man." - from CSPAN conference before the - million man march.

Wednesday, June 26, 2013 at 12:44 PM