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The Blood of Innocents
MoeLarryCurly in CA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 11:50 AM
Funny how a rash of school violence happened during Bill Clinton's war with the NRA during his 8 years. These weren't mainstream events during the Bush 8 years. Now, lo & behold, another Democrat in the White House and the rash of school shootings are amongst us again.
Tom Alston in Elk Grove, CA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:02 PM
100% of the school shootings that I have investigated have been caused by Psychiatry and their psychotropic drugs. Howver there is a connection betwwn the bank investigations of the libor scandal and possible testimony on CT and CO this year. The drugs are used to control the shooters. Ban psychs not guns
desert in arizona
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:22 PM
couldn't be mind control and sending out idiots to do their dirty work could it?
MoeLarryCurly in CA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:37 PM
Somethin' smells doesn't it?
Git R Dunn in Alabama
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:26 PM
Want it to stop? ARM THE TEACHERS!
Git R Dunn in Alabama
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:43 PM
Here is the REAL tragedy, Free Public Education! BAN SCHOOL BUSSES
Problem Solved! NEXT!
"Between 2000 and 2009, 1,386 people nationwide died in school transportation-related crashes — an average of 139 fatalities per year, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration."
http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20121210/new-york-city/citys-public-school-buses-were-involved-1700-accidents-last-year#ixzz2FKsvUt3n
Craigclev in MT
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:14 PM
There has to be a mind for someone else to control so you are very likely safe along with every other intellect that thinks this event was a conspiracy to take our guns.
Arming teachers and first graders would not be an answer as how to you keep the kids from getting ahold of them and still have them ready enough to be effective? I love to hunt and I was an Outfitter in Montana and I will say there is no reason to own a gun with greater than 5 rounds capacity. That would make a difference in these mass killing amd if we who love the sporting life do not get a grip on the complete kooks in our midst and realize assault weapons, 50mm rifles, and high capacity clips are at least as in need of regulation as a switchblade knife, we will see our legitimate rights to reasonable gun ownership curtailed.
John Q Citizen in Colorado
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:37 PM
Obviously sir you do not understand the intent of the 2nd amendment. The right to bear arms is to ensure that the government is unable to control the citizenry using armed aggression. The citizen is to be able to be armed in order to "throw of such government". The British tried to disarm the colonists, had they succeeded we would not be a nation.
Craigclev in MT
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 6:27 PM
Just so you know I do know here it is. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed." You can mythologize all you want but you note the right is tied to the need for a well regulated milita which is to protect the free state not defend against it. Also the arms you have the right to bear are not specific. Nuclear arms are not a constitutionally protected right.
Hamilton in IL
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 7:08 PM
Craigclev,
Anyone can quote the second amendment, brain boy. You can quote it, but I agree with others that maybe you don't understand it. In the old english of the time, "well regulated" would mean "well equipped" by today's vernacular, not 'well controlled' as you assert.
During the revolutionary war, one of Washington's biggest problems was a lack of arms. By that experience, the Founders knew the value of being well equipped, and therefore they wanted that condition for The People. Hence, the second amendment.
You are correct, that the "arms" aren't specified. Gee brain boy, have you ever thought that that was maybe by intent? Did you ever consider that with a lack of specificity, we would need to refer to our history for the true meaning? No, probably not. Liberals like you don't value the accuracy provided by the historical context. That's why you insist that the Constitution is undefined and open ended, that there's no right or wrong in it.
Do you think the Founders meant for the People to keep and bear single-shot flint-locks, forever, never mind technological progress with the passage of time? Less than a decade after the close of the war, who could they have had in mind as they envisioned an armed citizen? Could it have been the foot soldier who won their freedom, and the freedom of generations of progeny? Of course; who else? By that standard, and comparing our citizenry to our military, our citizenry is under-armed.
Craigclev in MT
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 8:18 PM
Thanks for the Brain-boy label. I am sure no one has call you that lately. Anyone who disagrees even slighty needs to be attacked and called names. Perhaps you are not very "well regulated". I have spent more time with a gun in my hands than most anyone outside of the military or police. Please reread the second amendment and show me where it gives you the right to own any and all military grade weapons to counter our own military.. It is morons like you that will cause reasonsible rational sportsmen like me to lose our rights
Hamilton in IL
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 11:33 PM
Craigclev,
The second amendment doesn't need to be explicit about the type of arms. I explained to you why that is. Maybe you could re-read what I wrote and try again. And please drop the "sportsmen" reference. OMG, you sound so naive. The right to keep and bear arms had nothing at all to do with maintaining rights to be sportsmen.
If the Founders didn't mean for the People to be able to counter our own military, then being under-armed next to the military wouldn't have made sense, and it also wouldn't have made sense for the Constitution to place limitations on the size of our military. Just because a country's military is "their" military, doesn't make the military a group of uncorruptable angels, always loyal to the People. World history has proven that.
Liberals will take a mile if given an inch. It's fools like you who are willing to give them that inch, and thus start us down the road to gun confiscation and serfdom. My calling you a brain-boy is the very least I can do considering the fact that it is your actions, and the similar actions of other compromising useful idiots, who will cave to the Liberals, and lose us our rights and our liberty. Go ahead and give up your guns but I take offense at your liberal attitude and voting actions that can obligate me to lose my gun rights.
Craigclev in MT
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 10:01 AM
Rereading your previous posts is tedious and unilluminating but this one is pretty humorous. First off, your right to bear arms is already highly conditioned. You do not have the legal right to have automatic arms, explosive shells and grenades or even, as I pointed out before, a switchblade knife. You call me naïve and yet you are the one proposing gun ownership to hold off our own government. I can think nothing more naïve than the dangerous misconception that somehow owning a particular type of gun will keep you safe from arrest. Do you think you're going to hold off the US government with light arms. So did the people in Waco and the freemen here in Montana. It did not work out so well for them how you think it will work out for you? I'd be willing to bet that you do not even own a gun.
The vast majority of gun owners in the United States are sportsmen and the most legitimate form of gun ownership is for sporting and recreational use. Of course also home protection and for those who are not "well regulated"personal carry. The second amendment does not give Americans gone ownership rights to hold off or counter the US government and military. That is crazy talk and was not part of anyone's intent, founding fathers or not. That line of illogic is a recent invention of people who are definitely not patriots! The founding fathers gave us numerous mechanisms for changing our government. Armed insurrection was not one of those mechanisms they countenanced or provided for in the Constitution.
Craigclev in MT
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 10:02 AM
I see that you have pulled out the most terrible word you know and called me a liberal or at least complicit with these terrible people. The whole reason I became involved in this conversation in the first place is that it is likely that there are some rational reasonable readers who like myself do not want to end up losing our relatively unfettered gun rights as sportsmen and recreationists because of kooks who think this horrible event was some type of a conspiracy for gun control, or It had to do with mind control or that the solution lies in more guns in schools. The most disconcerting thing is that there are a fair amount of people who cannot think for themselves and have been convinced that the second amendment is to protect us against our own government. You can believe that if you want even though it says the opposite, but that is truly naïve and completely incorrect. I do not want to lose my gun rights because the public turns against people who have both crackpot ideas of armed insurrection and assault weapons with which to carry it out at least for a short time.
Hamilton in IL
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 1:15 PM
Craigclev,
The arms restrictions you mentioned happened 143 corrupt years after ratification of the second amendment.
Waco is a good example of government corruption. Their job was to arrest those people on suspicion of child endangerment. Instead they massacred them. Are you also forgetting Ruby Ridge?
On that bet about me not owning guns, you would lose big time.
Regarding your “sportsmanship” purpose for guns: A 2005 Gallup poll showed “that most gun owners use their guns for each of these three purposes: crime protection (67%), target shooting (66%), and hunting (58%).”
You think that what I say to you is “crazy”, when it’s actually true, and as intended by the Founders. Either you’re not reading what I write, or you just don’t understand it. Maybe you can understand what others have written:
"Every citizen should be a soldier. This was the case with the Greeks and Romans, and must be that of every free state." – Thomas Jefferson
"...It is always dangerous to the liberties of the people to have an army stationed among them, over which they have no control...The Militia is composed of free Citizens. There is therefore no danger of their making use of their power to the destruction of their own Rights, or suffering others to invade them." - Samuel Adams
"If the representatives of the people betray their constituents, there is no recourse left but in the exertion of that original right of self-defense which is paramount to all positive forms of government." – Alexander Hamilton
"When governments fear the people, there is liberty. When the people fear the government, there is tyranny. The strongest reason for the people to retain the right to keep and bear arms is, as a last resort, to protect themselves against tyranny in government." – Thomas Jefferson
"Suppose that we let a regular army, fully equal to the resources of the country, be formed; and let it be entirely at the devotion of the federal: still it would not be going to far to say that the State governments with the people at their side would be able to repel the danger...half a million citizens with arms in their hands" – James Madison
Alice in Kansas City, MO
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 1:46 PM
Our forefathers would not have known about the assault weapons available today. Bearing Arms then and now are far different. Black Powder Rifles against assault weapons? We must protect our Second Ammendment Rights, at the same time we must think and be rational about the answers to the problems and evils that exist in the world we now live in.
ChuckL in Henderson
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 5:37 PM
Craig, You are aware that the caliber of a gun with 50 MM ammunition would be 1.969, aren't you? The cannon in an A-10 is only 35 mm. And with rapid reloading magazines and stripper clips the actual capacity of these magazines or clips is actually irrelevant.
You might also consider that as they are also "arms" knives may also not be regulated.
Craigclev in MT
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 6:37 PM
You are correct about 50 cal vs mm. The point remains the same and you better check with your local police department about your protected right to own an auto deploying knife.
Scott in Wichita
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 6:45 PM
Craigclev: why do you bring up .50 cal firearms? Can you tell me when one was used in a crime or mass shooting?
Also, are you classifying .50 cal muzzle loaders as "assault weapons"? Just an FYI...no such item as an "assault weapon". This is a term used by and loved on by the leftist media and the elitist prostitutes that work in DC.
Craigclev in MT
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 7:41 PM
I bring up 50 cal firearms as an example of a weapon that I do not want in the hands of the general public. Just like military style AR-15s and semi-autos/autos designed to hold more than 10 rounds. Those are widely known as assault weapons because they are not sporting guns And no I do not mean 50 cal muzzleloades or airguns. Just call me a leftist elitest prostitute ex-outfitter from Montana. Aussault weapons have 0 purpose except to kill people and if gun rights supporters can not draw that distinction we will all lose our rights to unfettered gun ownership. Bluster all you want but most people are appalled at this tragedy and if most people decide to take your gun you will lose them..
Scott in Wichita
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 2:01 PM
I'm glad you think the universe rotates around you and your sporting likes. However, there are many who enjoy long range bench rest shooting using .50 cal, .416, .408, and .338....are you wanting to ban those too? Afterall, they are evil looking and no one really needs them.
If most people decide to take my firearms I will lose them? Really, you really should be living in the EU somewhere. Your "let me live as a slave to the state" mentality is an insult to every freedom loving American. Mob rule mentality...leads to slavery.
Hamilton in IL
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM
Craigclev,
You love to hunt and think the second amendment is all about the "sporting life". Buddy, you're part of the problem. I don't hunt, and likely never will, because I don't like killing things. So I don't hunt but I understand the second amendment very well. Someone needs to invent a true "way back" machine so you can go back in time to our Founding and learn the truth about the second amendment.
And who is suggesting to arm first graders anyway? - wtf? -
You and many others are very arrogantly ignoring the human factor as THE ONLY CAUSE of gun carnage. It's a poor carpenter who blames his tools. And it's a corrupt or weak-minded person who blames guns for this violence.
Liberals are the ones with the blood on their hands. They are the ones who support our wrong-headed approach to mental illness in this country. Relying on a mentally ill person to take their meds without fail is like relying on a hyperactive child with a full bladder to hold his finger in the dike to prevent the town from flooding. These various psychotropic medications don't cure mental illness; they just mask the symptoms, and only if they are taken correctly and regularly. And it's against the law to force a psychotic to take his meds. The problem is that we main-stream our kooks and ignore their behavior. We ignore the obvious warning signs of these people when they're children. The Connecticut killer demonstrated warning signs for years. His mother covered for him; he reached 20 years old, and ... ... About four generations ago, back before Liberals and shrinks thought they could cure mental illness, an in-law relative of mine, with warning signs as he grew up, finally came after his sister with a knife. He was wrestled to the ground, taken away by the guys in the white coats, and never heard from again. This probably saved lives.
Liberals also have blood on their hands because they promote leniency for violent criminals. Our judicial system is a joke. How many times do we hear about violent crimes reported on the news, only to learn that the offender(s) have a long rap sheet, yet they're back out on the streets like wolves in the hen house? Roughly three decades ago, I heard an FBI statistic that said something to the effect that around 85% of new crimes are committed by repeat offenders. So what affect could we have on crime if we just threw those first-timers in the slammer for good?
R.K. Sprau in L.C. N.M.
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 8:54 PM
Hamilton, I concur with you on numerous subject. I concur with the usage of old English. this is food for thought, not my usual argument.
I am a hunter, I legally carry a sidearm as does my wife. I do not see why any civilian needs a military assault weapon.they are not game rifles. If I cannot drop a deer or a bear in 3 rounds, I need to hang it up. If I am forced to defend myself, if I can't stop someone with one round, then I need to stay home. I will keep my weapons yet there has to be some logical compromise. In a natin of over 270 million weapons, we are the most well armed yet the most violent nation on earth.
I read mind control, psychology. Fine, lets start there. How many movies, how many video games are extremely violent. We are desenatizing our youth to the point of disconnect with reality. start there. Start with quit defunding psychology and above all watch out for those who could be dangerous.
The problem isn't weapons, it's the type of weapons, the problem is we glorify violence. the problem is border towns such as mine where drug gangs has taking to drive by's and home invasion. We face multiple problems and we need multiple solutions.
Hamilton in IL
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 11:53 PM
R.K. Sprau,
The rights to the acquisition of game had nothing to do with the reasons for the second amendment.
Civilians need military assault weapons as a counter-balance to a potential corrupt military. Can any nation rely 100% on the perpetual allegiance of its military? No.
The Founders also included restrictions on the size of our military for the same reason.
I agree with you that the problem isn't the weapons, but I don't the type of weapons either. If the type of weapons were the problem, then our military would be racked with carnage, but they're not. Like I said to the big-game hunting braggart above, "It's a poor carpenter who blames his tools".
The problem is the combination of a wide array of American maladies, embedded into our culture, some of which you quite correctly cited.
Craigclev in MT
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 9:36 PM
Lets see, this crazy relative of yours had a knife and was wrestled to the ground with no injury. Now if he would of had access to a Bushmaster AR-15 with a couple of 30 round clips who would have wrestled him to the ground? To paraphrase, his not having nonstop access to 30 rounds of .223 ammo "probably saved lives"
Hamilton in IL
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 11:44 PM
Oh, you're so clever. But you're short-sighted. The eventual extension of your argument is complete disarmament. Cave men had that condition and the bigger ones ruled over the smaller ones, and there was no justice. Then the club and spear makers entered the mix, and once again, there was no justice.
Rush Limbaugh mentioned that the worst mass killing came about by use of an explosive, not a Bushmaster.
If we disarm ourselves, the armed "authorities" will rule over us. This is axiomatic now, just as it was axiomatic back during our Founders time as they examined world history as research for their government-creation endeavor. That is the reason for the second amendment.
Craigclev in MT
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 10:41 AM
As normal, Rush was wrong by several orders of magnitude. The worst mass killing did come about from an explosion or actually two in Japan. Does that mean by your logic that in order to counter the military we should all have the right to our own personal nuke? The second amendment is one sentence long and is simple to determine its meaning. The only thing difficult about it is whether or not it actually includes an individual right to bear arms outside of a militia. The current administration, as hated as it is by Rush and others, is the first to acknowledge the individual right to bear arms outside of the militia derived from the second amendment. Look it up I did and it's true.
Compared to the authorities we are already disarmed and there is no way for individual citizens to usurp the government's authority thankfully. I certainly do not want an armed group of my neighbors taking the law into their own hands. Whether or not we can own superficially converted automatic weapons or extended round clips will not change the balance of power between you and the police one iota so the slippery slope argument is fallacious. I enjoy blasting off a bunch of rounds at the range much as anyone but I am more than willing to change clips often and to not own the most bad ass looking gun out there if it will keep that same gun out of the hands of nuts like your in law. The amount of enjoyment I get from owning something is not equivalent to any one person's life.
Hamilton in IL
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 1:43 PM
Craigclev,
The second amendment is obviously an individual right since it refers to the People, as does other rights in the bill of rights, which Liberals haven't challenged. The composition of the army is covered in the body of the Constitution.
And you're wrong about the current administration. In recent memory, the Bush administration recognized the second amendment as an individual right. U.S. Attorney General John Ashcroft, in May of 2001, acknowledged that official truth. Due to recent supreme court cases, most notably the District of Columbia vs. Heller case, and then the McDonald vs. Chicago case, the Obama administration has begrudgingly had to concede.
Obama has no intention of protecting your gun rights - in fact, quite the opposite. He has been relatively quiet about gun control because he knows a lot of his base are relatively poor folks, but gun owners. Also, gun ownership in black communities is high (for self-protection). Obama knows that blacks wouldn't take kindly to him being against their gun ownership.
The quotes I included for you (way above in the stack) should help you understand that the Founders considered the genesis of a corrupt government to be a distinct possibility. Their "militia" was the People, the citizen soldier, and that our regular military was meant exclusively for our protection.
R Daneel in Texas
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 9:06 PM
50mm? What is that? No military or civilian round I know of....
I think I smell moby on you.
Try this: "If ye love wealth better than liberty, the tranquility of servitude better than the animating contest of freedom, go home from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or your arms. Crouch down and lick the hands which feed you. May your chains set lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that you were our countrymen." Samuel Adams
Craigclev in MT
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 10:38 PM
And I smell someone who quotes out of context. Sam Adams is great beer but the quote has nothing to do with guns. FYI a real patriot defends our country, its people and our government and does not foolishly (Waco anyone) set out to arm themselves against it.
Git R Dunn in Alabama
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 9:10 AM
So, Craig, where will you be turning your guns in then? Heck, we have a special muzzle-loader season here and .50 caliber is used regularly. That's all that is really necessary to give game a sporting chance. You may keep all of your muzzle-loaders and nothing else. Turn the rest in as they are not necessary.
Craigclev in MT
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 10:37 AM
That is the point of this G.U.D, I do not want to have to turn in my guns. None of them hold 10 rounds or more. If we gun rights supporters do not have the smarts to realize that Assault weapons and large capacity magazines are going to turn the public against us if we can not seperate legitimate sporting and target shooting arms from military grade weapons in what we choose to publicly defend, we will see more restrictions than needed. The 2nd amendment, as I have pointed out, does not say or do what many gun owners think it says or does as is obvious by the posts indicating it is there to protect the citizenry from government overreach. That is simply not true nor does any reading of "old English" make it so. We shooters are dependent on the public good will to continue the open gun ownership rights we now enjoy. I for one want to assure the public gun owners are responsible and do not want the nuts who used to have only knives (see Hamilton above) to get ahold of an AR-15 or 23 with a high capacity magazine. We all agree to some gun type restriction, automatic weapons, exploding shells, hand grenades are something we all agree we do not want the crazy neighbor who is screaming angry about whose trash can sits where to have. This slippery slope argument is nonproductive as we already have many arms we have no right to bear.
Ret RED HORSE in MO
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 2:03 AM
I think you might be making up some junk to move an agenda. Craigclev. First point is -- if you were an outfitter I would guess you might know the difference in an assault rifle and a semi auto rifle. There is other differences as well, Second point-- A 50 mm rifle aint held to your shoulder. You would have used the term "Magazine" in your delievery of bovine scat.
Craigclev in MT
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 9:29 AM
You caught me! I am really an ATF agent posting here to determine who needs their mind control beam adjusted so all the Patriots who would resist the coming socialist takeover have been turned into Obamatrons who will willingly turn in Grandpa's model "97". Better put on your tin foil hat! Just so you know we at the ATF consider any weapon that exists as or can be modified to be fully automatic as an assault weapon. Sportsman call them clips. You know, where the bullets go.haha.
R.K. sprau in L.C. N.M.
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 7:51 PM
I don't care who you are but that's funny. What's sad is some people actually fall into this category.
Craigclev in MT
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 12:47 PM
Yes, it's true we have both Obamatrons and tinfoil mad hatter's. Our government is not the source of all good nor is it the source of all evil. But it is ours and it is made up of us and so it is incumbent on us to change from within what we don't like like the Founders intended. Not, in my opinion, to threaten personal armed insurrection based on disagreeing with a duly elected government.
Infidel in Missouri
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 10:28 AM
Gents -
Let's dispense with the childish name-calling shall we? This has become much more prevalent on this site as of late (not just with this post). I think the tragedy in CT provoked an invitation for adult conversation and debate. I have to question the maturity of those whose comments degenerate to those you might hear at a school yard. Just sayin...
I can't remember exactly where and, unfortunately, don't have the time right now to research it, but don't The Federalist Papers address (without any doubt) the true meaning behind the Second Amendment (being primarily about defending against a tyrannical governement)?
Craigclev in MT
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 10:58 AM
Please, as a voice of moderation, take the time to research this point and you will find that the "true meaning" of the 2nd amendment is to protect our nation against another tyrannical government. That is after all what it says. "A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."
Infidel in Missouri
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 11:56 AM
I will absolutely do so. However, I note that you appear to be distinct about "another" tyrannical government? Do I assume you to say that OUR OWN government could not possibly become tyrannical?
Why then do you suppose that the oath taken by everyone in the military to "...defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic..."? Do you believe that that this only applies to cases of insurrection and not tyranny from within?
Craigclev in MT
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 12:25 PM
When do you think the military should turn against our government and how would that work? The oath does not allow for treason as that is what that would be. This insistence on playing at arming against the US government is bat crap crazy. Do the police avoid arresting you because you own guns? No, they will kill you if you pull it out and tell them to go away. Our goverment is us, if you dont like it change it from within, arming against it is not patriotic and not very smart as goverments hold a monoply on coercion.
Git R Dunn in Alabama
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 3:51 PM
"... as goverments hold a monoply on coercion."
Precisely! And that is the reason that our founding patriots rebelled against what ... a tax levied on tea without being consulted? Well, I'll give you that it was just the straw that broke the camel's back, but our Founders recognized that a disarmed (or in their case, poorly armed) populous was easily subjected to tyranny. So, hooray for you! You do not have any weapons that hold more than 10 rounds or are semi-automatic. That makes me feel so good inside. I can sleep easily now. Thank you.
Hamilton in IL
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 6:41 PM
Craigclev,
You've got it completely backwards. Shame on you for spreading such disinformation.
The second amendment is one of the bill of rights. The bill of rights was crafted after the Constitution was finished, because some of the Founders became concerned that the Federal government would be too powerful. So the intent of the bill of rights was to state, for the record, that it is the People who have the rights, not government.
Our militia was the People, i.e. citizen soldiers. As citizen soldiers, it would have been obviously redundant to state that it was our right to keep and bear arms to protect ourselves from another tyrannical government. The Constitution describes the raising of an army.
Infidel in Missouri
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 12:49 PM
Interesting. What, then, are your thoughts about Rule of Law and the Constitution? Do you believe that it is okay for President Obama to not have a budget during any year of his administration - even though he is bound by law to do so? Do you believe that it is okay for President Obama to request that he have sole authority to "own" the spending limit even though those powers are explicitly granted only to the Legislative Branch? Do you believe it is within the powers of ANY branch of government to ban the ability to keep and to bear arms? If so, then I would suggest that you do not support the Rule of Law.
This is the point at which I believe true Patriots need to begin to sit up and take notice. These examples may indeed be the small beginnings of tyranny. This, of course, is only my opinion and I am always willing to be open to changing my opinion (as I would hope we all are if the facts are the facts)...
florin in Waterbury, Connecticut
Thursday, December 20, 2012 at 8:53 AM
Dec. 19th. This is exactly what we here in Connecticut have been saying Craigclev...the Principal who lunged at the shooter to try to take him down was mowed down quickly with rapid fire shooting as were the little children whose small bodies were riddled with bullets meant to do as much damage and destruction as possible. Let people have their hand guns and hunting rifles there is no reason for these rapid fire military style weapons - none!!! Just ask the parents and families of the slain in Newtown.
Hamilton in IL
Thursday, December 20, 2012 at 11:27 PM
florin,
You're running on emotion and thinking short-sighted, like Craigclev.
History shows that governments cannot be 100% trusted. Government tyranny is a true potential in a macro sense, just as one man's desire to dominate over another man, or a woman, is tyranny in a micro sense. It's an ugly yet true aspect of humanity. Governments accomplish and maintain tyranny by unholy relationships with the military. Think, the Third Reich. The Founders conceived of the second amendment and an armed citizenry as their means to help prevent this. This is the reason for these weapons. You rail at the Newtown carnage, yet this type of murder is actually down across the country. You rail at the Newtown carnage, yet you don't see the perpetual carnage in inner cities, across the country, including in Connecticut, that occurs every year. Are those victims' lives worth any less? I say to you that if you rail at the Newtown carnage, you should have some perspective and realize that its scope will pale in comparison to what we would have in store for us if our government became tyrannical. You're like a lost hiker in the woods, bitching over a stubbed toe, while unwittingly, you're very close to taking a fatal step over the falls.
Paul in Grimesland, NC
Saturday, December 22, 2012 at 10:24 AM
Are you sure you were an "Outfitter"? I have never heard one refer to magazines as clips.
Time Traveler in Tennessee
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 5:39 PM
Funny you brought that up. My thoughts exactly. Hypnosis is the keyword.
gilbert doan in ardmore, pa
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:00 PM
Guess who all are going to do their best to exploit all this in an utterly irrelevant, illegitimate , and hopelessly irrational way!
Old Crank in AL
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:32 PM
Get ready for another round of wimpering Republicans pleading that their gun lust is only a little bit evil.
Let's take a new tack and proclaim, "Guns are Good!"
I could go for a Million Gun March on Washington, but that may still be a little premature.
So let's just speak Truth to Liberal Power.
We Demand:
Guns in every Classroom! Now! End the Slaughter! Now!
No more Gun Free Zones! No More Free and Undefended Killing Grounds!
Arm the Responsible! Protect the Innocent!
We Accuse the Subversives, Intent on Disarming America, of Murder!
We call every Unarmed Person Murdered in America, Blood on your Hands, you who seek to disarm responsible Citizens. We call every Person Murdered in America whose friends or neighbors could have saved them, had they been armed, more Blood on your Hands, you who pass endless legislation to disarm responsible Citizens.
You who who close your eyes to the simple and obvious solution, Hypocrites. Shame on you who posture and pose, and pretend to cry. Shame on you Barack Obama (as if you had an ounce of shame to begin with)! who seeks to advance an evil agenda over the bodies of angels. Every gun taken away or held back from the hands of responsible citizens enpowers another murderer and we must put an end to it!
Arm the upright! And put fear in the cowardly hearts of murderers everywhere! Now!
Git R Dunn in Alabama
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:51 PM
Amen and amen!
Michael Willis in Edmonds, WA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM
Perhaps there should be a locked glass-fronted case in every classroom with an AR-15 inside and the words "In Case of Armed Psychotic Break Glass".
Time Traveler in Tennessee
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 5:46 PM
The only reason the Japanese didn't attack us on our own soil (west coast) was because they knew there was a gun behind every tree (armed citizens). That's a fact. Look it up.
Jay in Colorado
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:02 PM
God help all the victims of this senseless tradgedy and may those that died RIP. Now it seems that it's the same nonsense anti-gun agenda the politicians are trotting out again. What about the mother who couldn't keep the firearms locked up? these are things that hwppen when you live in a nation whose media celebrate violence in movies and video games, and leftists who seem sincere but who are quite the opposite.
mark in massachusetts
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:04 PM
So let me get this straight.If the gun is the killer then the forceps and suction used to abort a fetus should be outlawed also? Of course not,the liberals would shout.Abortion is legal and it's pro-choice.Guns are legal also but the leftists want to keep law-abiding citizens from owning them.What happened in Connecticut is an abomination! The problem isn't the gun;the problem is unstable people being able to procur the gun.Background and psychological testing are whats needed.Not more gun laws or bans.Chicago,Obama's hometown,has some of the most stringent gun laws in the nation yet some of the highest murder rates in the U.S.A. So does Washington,D.C. If a crazy person is going to commit such an atrocity then all the laws in the world aren't going to stop them. Please lets all say a prayer for the victims!
Partiot34 in El Dorado, CA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:05 PM
There is no laws that remove guns or restrict the rights of citizens that will stop this kind of mass murder. The guns used in this case were already illegal where used. Remove all the guns and the crazes will then resort to indescriminate killing by IED. The culture is what has to change.
Craigclev in MT
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:28 PM
The guns used were legal. An AR-15 style with a nonfolding stock and the handguns are legal there.
HorseTeethSam in Michigan
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:55 PM
Sure. They'll say, that's the point. Such weapons of child destruction should not be legal, period. Not the best argument, really.
R.K. Sprau in L.C. N.M.
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 8:55 PM
Amen!
Jack Dantone in Virginia
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:06 PM
This may be a bit rambling but I hope you find it worth reading. The tragedy in Connecticut is heart wrenching. And anything I say cannot diminish that anguish. But while we rush to question our right to bear arms, our entertainment media's penchant for violence, our culture's penchant to be "accepting" , etc…….I'm reminded of the Muslim Brotherhoods advice to the Egyptian people…."Approve the constitution and your lives will be ordered…"
Americans are, above all, a free people. It is who we are. We pay the price for that freedom everyday. Our young people are sent off to war, we put tremendous resources towards national defense and we cope with great risk in our everyday activities that a free American will become violent and innocent people may die or be injured. That coping is no less the price of freedom that the lives we lose defending our right to be free. It is the price we pay for living in America and being free to be who and what we are.
The next days and weeks will see new debate on the 2nd Amendment. My position is that owning weapons is a freedom that Americans have. And I will counter anyone that questions that right with choosing what fundamental freedom they would like to forfeit. The solutions aren't easy. And, it is unlikely that we will ever completely eliminate the risks that come with living in a free society.
We were created with free will. God did not put a chip in each of us to prevent terrible behavior. We are, by His design, free. We pay a price every day for this precious gift. Sometimes, it doesn't seem worth it, but it is. Cheers
richard lindstrom in venice fla.
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:16 PM
Dear Mr.Dantone; A brilliant dissertation concerning the terrible debacle in Newtown,and every word you lay out for all of us Patriot subscribers, ring True to the last letter. As an old( 91 ) WW 2 Veteran of the so called, " Greatest Generation",whose members are dying off more every day, I Salute you sir,for your most prescient and directly to the point comments,realting to the ramifications emanating from the terrible shootings/killings in New Towm Ct. As a father,grand father and yes, a great grandfather of 4, my old heart goes out to each and every parent,administrator and the like, who were invloved in such a senseless massacre. I Salute you dear sir, and deeply appreciate every word you have written in attempting to make sense out of the tragedy.
God Bless you and all of those who lost their most precious loved ones.!!! .
Most Humbly.
ChuckL in Henderson
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 5:25 PM
Jack, I disagree with you in only one respect, but it is major one. It is that we put major resources towards National Defense. Our expenses on National Defense pale to insignificance in comparison to our expenses on federal welfare programs with both taken as a percentage of GDP. If we took the three major costs of welfare individually they would each make Defense expenditures seem insignificant.
Craigclev in MT
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 7:19 PM
In 2011, 20 percent of the budget, or $718 billion, paid for defense and security-related international activities. Another 20 percent of the budget, or $731 billion, paid for Social Security, which provided retirement benefits averaging $1,229 per month to 35.6 million retired workers in December 2011. Three health insurance programs - Medicare, Medicaid, and the Children's Health Insurance Program (CHIP) - together accounted for 21 percent of the budget in 2011, So, Just as 50 mm does not equal 50 cal I hope you realize Defense spending equals health insurance (medicare medicaid) and is not insignificant in comparision. Actual welfare and all discretionary spending foodstamps etc is 13%.
Old Sarge in Hinesville, GA
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 6:51 AM
Why was there a report put out stating that the government spent over one trillion dollars on welfare programs last year? It also stated that with overhead costs that came out to appox. $60,000 per famiy. If that is true spending on all the other programs pale in comparison.
Jeff Quidam in Dunwoody, Georgia
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:08 PM
Guns have been a part of the American culture for over two centuries. Presumably, so has mental illness to some extent. So what is new in our society that could help explain the modern phenomenon of senseless acts of horrendous violence? In no particular order, here are some trends that are relatively new in our society:
Dangerous drugs, both illicit and prescribed Abandonment of morality-based institutions & teachings Broken families (due to divorce, addiction and other reasons) Spectacularly violent video games in the hands of very young people Increasing number of very violent movies Pornography (prevalent & easily available) Absentee parents (both at work) Pervasive violence & amorality on television and elsewhere
The most important changes cannot be legislated. They have to come from the ground up, from the people, from us. We are forced to examine ourselves, and we don't like to do that.
MoeLarryCurly in CA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:42 PM
Also, we have to look at our technology. Social Media, texting, on-demand, has de-sensitized any human interaction.
Bob in Brunswick Georgia
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:45 PM
A very good writting.
Hamilton in IL
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 8:06 PM
Jeff Quidam,
HERE! HERE! (mucho mucho applause)
You're someone with the intellectual honesty to know that the problem is within ourselves.
R.K. Sprau in L.C. N.M.
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 8:58 PM
I concur with you. Earlier I made a point about psychology. We need to help our vets. I'm not saying a vet did this yet someday someone who needs help will not receive it as in my generation and he or she may run a mock. Let's fix the system. It won'lt stop it but even a small dent in the problem is better than no dent at all.
Hamilton in IL
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 12:00 AM
Yeah, that's sore subject for me. I bristle at the fact that the federal government taxes the sh*t out of us for everything, including help for our vets, yet we still have various and sundry privately-run groups trying to generate donations for our vets. Why can't the government do it right? Because they're too busy destroying the productivity in our economy so we all have less money, and creating an entitlement class with the money that should be going to our vets.
Debbi Moss in Vienna, Missouri
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:09 PM
I found little sign of grief in Obama's speech and knew before he opened his mouth this tragedy would be used to further his destructive political agenda. I too wondered why he and the media, like leaches, descended on Newtown and the tragedy, hungry for fodder for their news reports and political gains. I have to wonder why Obama uses tragedies like this to try to disarm Americans, but he never says anything about the tragedy of lives lost via gang war shootings which happen every day. He is indeed a living contradiction.
Bill in Oklahoma
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:10 PM
It would make more sense to have every teacher keep a weapon locked in their desk. If every law abiding citizen carried a gun I bet there'd be a lot less crime.
Timothy Rea in IN
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:18 PM
An armed society is a polite society.
Git R Dunn in Alabama
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:54 PM
An armed society is a polite society until it is time to be appropriately and completely impolite in an acutely dismissive manner ;-)
JAC in Texas
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:05 PM
If this whacko knew there were armed school staff members in the building, he never would have gone there.
Hamilton in IL
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 8:08 PM
Yeah, maybe he would have just killed his mother and then himself.
Yeah, maybe.
But I wouldn't count on it. He was a devilishly clever psychopath.
alex in Califirnia
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:12 PM
While this blaming and hand wringing is going on " TRAIN AND ARM THE TEACHERS.!!
JtC in TX
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:40 PM
Most teachers are liberal commies doing The Obamanation's bidding and would most likely refuse to carry a firearm.
Silsbaselgia in Boston
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:13 PM
It saddens me to think that a responsible citizen with a gun and basic training could have averted a massacre of innocents of these proportions. The satanic assassin knew very well that State Schools are "gun-free zones" and that he could act with impunity until the first Police Officer arrived on the scene. It is also time to revise the current easy policies of integrating the mentally unstable into the communities and schools, considering them just "different" and "diverse", instead of sociopathically dangerous and socially problematic for those who have the bad luck to share with them.
Git R Dunn in Alabama
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:57 PM
"...until the first Police Officer arrived on the scene"
When seconds matter, help is only minutes away.
Hamilton in IL
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 8:14 PM
He was a psychopath who was just rational enough to know that he didn't want to go down in any other way except for by his own bullet.
The problem is that the men in the white coats should have taken him away a long time ago. But we don't do that anymore. No, we mainstream them so they're out and among us like ticking time bombs.
BJ Cassady in Caldwell, Kansas
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:13 PM
I pray people leave this event alone and let the people heal. No politics, no self promotion, just leave these people alone.
fred in oregon
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:14 PM
goodluck with that b j cassidy. nice thought tho.
fred in oregon
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:13 PM
in my neck of the woods, oregon, wve had some of the same tragic events, a highschool shooting and the recent clackamus shopping mall shooting. its a real shame that the press does not do their job and report how/why these 2 shootings were ended. in both, they stopped because an armed citizen was there to intervene. in the highschool incident, when the shooting started a teenage boy went to his pickup parked in the school parking lot, got his 22 rifle and went back in the school and confronted the shooter. he STOPPED IT from continuing. in the clakamus mall shooting a citizen that was carrying lawfully concealed, took hi pistol out and pointed it at the shooter who then ranaway a short distance and killed himself. the only station to report the whole story was KGW in portland oregon. even the sheriff of clakamus county refused to speek on why the clakamus shooting ended. as a retired cop, this fact irritates me. cops know better, he should be recalled.
Elle in Los Angeles, CA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:34 PM
Thanks for the info. We seem to be short on truth these days.
Lisa in MD
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:17 PM
Interesting, but if this did come out in the news, there goes their war on banning guns. Thanks for the info.
Aaron Edwards in Fallon, NV
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:50 PM
Fred is right! A "gun free zone" is a "killing" zone. In Israel, teachers and faculty are armed. To my knowledge, there hasn't been a school shooting in that country since the 1970's. Israel also alows thier citizens to be armed. There have been several instances of John Q. Public stopping a suicide bomber BEFORE he/she detonates. The point is that the way to stop these kind of rampages is to undo "gun free zones". We should never give up our freedoms because of the evil acts of a single madman, or 10, or 100. But, our elected officials will never admit this, esspecialy Obama and his socialist elite.
HorseTeethSam in Michigan
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:57 PM
Maybe one reason Obama hates Israel. Let's see - everyone is armed, and they profile their airline passengers. Sounds good to me.
exlogger in Alaska
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:56 PM
here is the video http://www.examiner.com/video/clackamas-mall-shooter-was-confronted-by-armed-citizen
Git R Dunn in Alabama
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:57 PM
Thanks for the link! Very telling! The coward runs at the first sight of resistance and commits suicide.
Joyce Logan in Kanab, Utah
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:14 PM
I'm appalled at the death of anyone at the hands of someone else, but I truly believe that the media is complicit in these mass murders. We all know there are many unbalanced people among us and to continue to flood the airwaves with every minute detail over and over again, only serves to put such individuals into a state of internal frenzy. The only relief they get is to do something similar. Today some nutcase called in a bomb threat against the church where services for some of the children were being held. This kind of an act validates what I believe. What well balanced person needs to hear the horrific details over and over and over...
Doug Schexnayder, PhD (ret) in Vidalia, La
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:15 PM
Forks cause obesity!
Now its known the Mother took her strange medicated unfeeling autistic child to a shooting range! (Yes, there were marriage issues of course) Now call me off base but we have some more "Columbine Parenting" here IMHO... rich liberal AWFUL parents living in some fantasy world where they do not see the obvious and pander to their children...THAT MATTERS...I said THAT MATTERS!
Instead of teacher unions being greedy thugs...how about seminars for parents at PTAs etc to catch "potentially" high risk kids like this and take precautions?
Do you think that 300 million people only have 2-3 sickos like this guy?
Stop thinking guns at school by admins/coaches is somehow horrible… 1 loaded pistol could be locked in 3 places on the campus and at least the good would have a chance… but noooo, we have the dimdems ranting about gun control instead of child control/protection, go figure...(theconservativecrawfish)
Hamilton in IL
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 8:16 PM
Well said!
Timothy Rea in IN
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:15 PM
How many guns were involved in "Fast and Furious"? How many lives have been lost? The national media seems to have lost interest in that story.
Doug Vass in Anna, TX
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:15 PM
All I can say about this is to relate a story in which a person asked why God allowed this to happen? God answered by stating "that He has been kicked out of schools in this country". He did not do it or did he allow it. People did it under the influence of Satan, the evil one! If you want to get back to a blessed nation you have to put the "Blessing" back into our lives and do not let a few atheist and non believers to rule and reign in our lives. Especially since they are a minority in this nation.
Lisa in MD
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:23 PM
I say Amen to this. Funny how folks pray to God after something like this happens and then when time goes by they soon forget all about God.
Bob in Iowa
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:16 PM
In the Old West most men carried guns and most boys (and many girls) grew up shooting guns. Yet I have never read of any instance of anyone in those days shooting up a school (or Post Office!) in a senseless killing rampage. Why? Could it be a difference in American culture from then and today?
steve levine in pueblo west, co
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:16 PM
You only have to look at the makers of video games, TV, movies that have blood on their hands. I was born in 1944 and grew up in the 50,s and 60's and enjoyed watch decent TV shows and going to see decent movies. Sure there was gun crime but never mass murders. The government should put a halt to what the First amendment does in this respect as they would do the same to the second amendment.
Jim in Evansville IN
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:17 PM
Many of those who push for gun control are the same ones who favor abortion. Thousands of innocents are murdered every day, many with government funding.
If we really want to see where these people are coming from and who they really are concerned about, try replacing the word "gun" with the word "abortion" wherever you see these quotes.
Whackajig in Naples FL
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:17 PM
Perhaps we can pre determine which of the kids will be productive members of society and which will be democraps. If the kids wore signs, than maybe the shooter could improve the nation.
Bert in AmeriKa
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:18 PM
The greatest atrocities were/are caused by government people for government people . Their desire to disarm everyone except themselves points to the real reason for disarmament blather ,Control of the masses. The truth is mass shootings have declined since 1932. I'm sure that is little consolation to the grieving survivors but mental illness is the likely cause, coupled with denial that the shooter(s) had problems by those who knew them. Government doesn't offer viable solutions it only exacerbates the problems.
charlie burk in albuquerque
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:19 PM
I am all for gun control... providing it is to take the guns away from criminals and crazy people. I would like to take knives, bombs and bats away from them too. Unfortunately these laws only take weapons away from law abiding citizens. I don't want a government that tells me how much I deserve to have whether it be instruments of self protection, income, or property. Instead we have a government that has libertine views on immigration, illegal drugs and on any social structure that promotes controlled, moral behavior.
Peter Robinson in Glen Ellyn
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:19 PM
I have been mourning for forty years. January 22nd 1973 we as much as legalized the killing of UNWANTED children. Is it a stretch to think this would lead to the killing of WANTED children? If you look at recent history, evil was released on that cold January morning. We often ask "Where was God in this tragedy?" When we play god in determining who is wanted and unwanted, we place the blame on ourselves.
Jim Crownover in Texas
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:20 PM
Give the country time to grieve the deaths of the innocent children before promoting political agendas. Acting during extreme emotional conflict often gives unwelcome results in the long run.
Mark Wallace in cincinnati /ohio
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:20 PM
President Obama only seems bothered by death when it is politically beneficial. He has no problem with butchering the defenseless as long as you kill them ( I.E. dismember them , stab them in the back of the skull with scissors which is partial birth aboration or use salt water solution to burn them alive before they are out of the womb. He is the worst kind of opportunist. Unfortunately he is using this for his own agenda.
BobTheUmp in Cincinnati,OH
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:20 PM
No serious person can conclude there can be a true gun ban. The cat is so far out of the bag it is ridiculous to believe there could ever be such a law enforced. This article, http://www.theregister.co.uk/2... , details how a hobbyist PRINTED OUT a working gun with new 3d printing technology. Any machinist worth his certificate could make a rifle or hand gun. Talking about gun control is another fantasy of the left in the effort to grant even more power to a heavily armed gov't over a frightened and disarmed citizenry. Our schools have personnel trained to deliver emergency services iun the form of suction machines, defibrillators, antihistamine injections and fire suppression because they are fully aware that outside Emergency Services simply cannot arrive in time to do any good. To claim that there are not responsible people in every school who can receive the training and oversight to be armed to protect our children from whatever threat is foolish. Gun bans are simple solutions promoted to simple minds.
Git R Dunn in Alabama
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:01 PM
"Gun bans are simple solutions promoted to simple minds."
No, sir, gun bans are simple solutions to provide for unabated tyranny.
MNIce in Minnesota
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:20 PM
"For every problem there is a solution that is simple, elegant, and dead wrong." Gun control is one such solution. You and BobTheUmp are both correct.
Russell Potee in Glen Burnie, MD
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:20 PM
I began practicing law in the mid 1970's. At that time, the mentally ill generally were confined to mental institutions where they received long term treatment. Later, advocates sought and obtained reforms that gave the mentally ill significantly more rights.
Now, a person who is committed can give notice that they want to be released and demand a hearing before a panel of "mental health professionals" (MHP). At the hearing, the inmate has frequently been taking prescribed medications and is capable of passing the criteria for release. So the effect is that the judgment to be exercised in granting a release is the judgment of the patient/inmate. The advocates and MHPs in the system are generally extremely "liberal". We need to significantly modify this system to keep more of the lunatics inside the asylums. The common denominators in the massacres that seem to be happening more often are, gun free zones, lunatics and access to guns by the lunatics.
Ed Cerny3 in Roscoe, NY
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:21 PM
Some say that professional police should be stationed at every school. This latest maniac would have taken out the cop with his first shot on arriving at the school, having the advantage of surprise. If we are to continue with public, compulsory schools, every teacher should be armed and trained before we deliver our children into their custody. More importantly, we should return to taking practical responsibility for defending ourselves. We cannot rely on professional police, who may or may not respond if they can be timely summoned at all. As a matter of good polity in a republic, the state should not have a monopoly on the use of violent force, diminishing the right of self defense and of just revolution
Bill Brown in Mesa AZ
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:21 PM
I keep hearing the Democrats say that the founding fathers surely couldn't have envisioned a modern day America with citizens owning and carrying assault weapons. Let us all remind them that the founding fathers and any citizen who wanted to could and did carry the assault weapons of their day. We need to stop setting up killing zones of disaprmed citizens, not laws that those with murderous intent will ignore anyways.
MNIce in Minnesota
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:26 PM
A rock is an assault weapon if it is used to assault someone. Maybe the liberals desire to be cocooned in rock-free zones, but the closest place I know of to such an environment is a padded room in the State Psychiatric Hospital. The liberals need to learn the old warning, "Be careful what you ask for, you might get it."
Hamilton in IL
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 8:20 PM
Liberals assault our intelligence. They assault our freedom. And they assault our pocketbooks.
Liberals are assault-people.
cactusbob in WA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:21 PM
The most effective and meaningful action that Obama (or anyone else) could take to prevent these slaughters in our schools (located in gun-free zones, no less) would be to do away with the gun-free zones and allow, and even encourage, teachers and administrators to carry guns at school. Our ersatz President and his gang don't really believe that gun-free zones do anything but advertise to shooters that they are safe to kill people there, but they want the power that comes with being able to confiscate guns and make the populace helpless against dictators - like Hitler, Castro, and countless others. We would be as stupid to allow any level of control against the 2nd Amendment as we would be to allow the government to continue spending ourselves into destruction.
desert in arizona
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:22 PM
There is a sudden rash of these gun incidents and I do not for one minute believe they are coincidence...I believe this lying scum administration is using mind control on dufus's to accomplish their goal of gun control....and the ,moronic liberals that go along with it and encourage it will one day rue their actions, when the la conquista, the chinese, the russians, the mooslimes or worst of all...our OWN govt attack us....these idiots will wish their neighbor HAD an assault rifle!
Merry Colin in Cave Creek, AZ
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:42 PM
EXCEPT--- the general public cannot own "assault" rifles which are fully automatic! Remember, a rifle is a rifle and it needs no adjective. It may be bolt action or semi-auto but these are not "assault" rifles. I saw a documentary on some CONgress-critter (Piglousy?) sitting down with a gun catalog to decide what they would like banned. Anything that looked "military" by having no wood stock, etc. was pointed out as "bad". The same rifle with a polished wood stock was passed over. Remember---most of CONgress are damned LAWYERS ---what the hell would they know?
Hamilton in IL
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 8:42 PM
Merry,
My understanding is that the true definition of "assault weapon" is used by the military, referring to a select-fire weapon which is capable of operating in three separate modes, selected by the user: 1) semi-auto fire, 2) burst-fire (2 or 3 rounds per trigger pull), and 3) full auto.
Anti-gun traitors are applying the "assault" term to normal semi-auto rifles that resemble assault rifles, in order to make their descriptions sound more menacing, in order to demonize them. This manner of obfuscation is the same sort of propaganda used by Adolf Hitler and Joseph Stalin, among other notorious criminals throughout history, in order to generate support for gun control. They wanted to disarm the public as a means to conquering them. A disarmed society is easily enslaved.
America's Liberals are our modern day would-be dictators and communists. We mustn't give them the chance.
By the way, I vacationed in Cave Creek this year, and I loved it.
Infidel in Missouri
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 10:43 AM
So next they will want to ban semi-automatic shotguns too? Then, what about all semi-auto handguns? Where is the line drawn? I can squeeze off shots pretty quickly with my bolt action rifle too. Is it the rate of fire or the number of rounds? So what if they restrict magazines that hold more than 10 rounds. That just means some crazy will carry more magazines. Gun bans, high-capacity magazine bans, ammunition bans, etc. just don't make sense that they WILL NOT stop someone intent on doing harm.
Hamilton in IL
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 12:07 AM
Infidel,
You're correct, and preaching to the choir with me. All these various bans of clips and rounds and assault this and assault that, are all just stepping-stones in the long-range goal to disarm society.
You might be interested in some of my exchanges with Craigclev, above, to get a better idea of my perspective.
R.K. sprau in L.C. N.M.
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 7:56 PM
I knew there was a reason why I left Arizona. Mind control? Hypnosis? What's next little green men fro Mars,
Merry Colin in Cave Creek, AZ
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 10:19 AM
Good riddance. Have no idea what you mean to say---as usual.
Scott in California
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:22 PM
First, let me express my condolences to the people affected by the school shooting in Connecticut. Second, the current and continueing call on the part of Democrats and anti-gunners for more restrictive gun laws, if not outright banning of all guns, will not "solve the violence problem." No amount of legislation will prevent this kind of violence, the best evidence being the story from China about an individual attacking school children with a knife because he didn't have access to a firearm. You simply can't legislate away violence, no matter how well intentioned the effort. Vigilance, and the willingness to respond in kind, are the only practical responses, not further curtailing the freedoms of law abiding individuals with ever more restrictive laws that only affect those willing to abide by the law.
Phyllis Olson in Whitney, TX
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:23 PM
Learn from the Israelies. Taking guns away from citizens is not the answer. Then only criminals have them. Working with the folks who have issues is, naturally, a need. The solution as the Israelies have learned, is be armed and be prepared. Their teachers even carry guns asault weapons. .
Elle in Los Angeles, CA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:24 PM
Interestingly, the worse massacre of children in the U.S. was not committed with guns. Google "Bath massacre of 1927" It was done with dynamite and fire.
Don in PA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:24 PM
This was another horrible crimeinal act, my heart goes out to the familes of those affected. But gun control is not the answer. Prohibition did not stop the unlawful consumption of alcohol and the war on drugs has not stopped the folw or abuse of drugs. Making weaons illegal to law adiding citizens won't keep them away from the criminals or mentally ill. If a deranged individual wants to harm people he has many options apart from guns, like rental trucks filled with explosives or many other types of homemade suicide bombs. If you follow the gun grabber logic, the way to eliminate drunk driving deaths would be to outlaw cars and or alcohol. Shame on the liberals for using this tragic event as a vehicle for their leftist agenda!
Horse upon You in Paso Robles, Ca
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:25 PM
If giving up guns our gun rights would save lives, any rational person would do it. The fallacy of gun control laws is that criminals by definition do not obey laws. Therefor, gun laws only serve to restrict access to guns by honest citizens. The old adage "When guns are outlawed only outlaws will have guns" is true.
Michael Oberndorf in New Orleans
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:26 PM
What is not being discussed in this or the many other incidents where mentally unstable people have gone berserk is that it is highly likely they were all on, or were just coming off of, psychotropic drugs of one type or another, e.g., Ritalin, Zoloft, etc., which are know to induce suicidal and/or homicidal tendencies. These are regualrly prescribed by psychiatrists. It's not the guns, but the mental states induced by sloppy patient monitoring by often incompetent doctors.
Cathy in Falcon, Colorado
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:26 PM
http://www.policeone.com/active-shooter/articles/2058168-Lt-Col-Dave-Grossma The above link is a great article on voilence in our schools and how to deal with it...from 2010! Stop being in denial parents!...Do something to protect your kids!
Todd Kreigh in Skiatook, OK
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:26 PM
I watched the 60 Minutes piece on this tragedy which (surprisingly) didn't fixate on guns. I switched over to the football game on NBC, and was hit almost immediately with a cutover to Obama's teleprompted bloviations. I switched again to a recorded show until the football game was back on.
I'm not interested in the remarks of a president or a political party who are cheerleaders for partial birth abortion, and the ridiculous paradox of believing if children are killed just out of the womb it's a victory, whereas if we wait a few more years it's a tragedy.
It wouldn't surprise me if this president wasn't doing quiet little fist-pumps in private thinking about the political leverage this gives him, while simultaneously planning his tearful speech.
Dave Walden in Broomfield, Colorado
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:26 PM
Those of limited capacity or an “agenda,” will no doubt run down the list of "the usual suspects." Their intellectual anorexia will cite Hollywood's violent movies, the video game phenomenon, broken homes in which the parents do not meet their responsibilities, and of course, for the particularly mentally deficient, guns.
The common denominator resting below each of the numerators of Columbine, Virginia Tech, Aurora, and now the particularly tragic kindergarteners in Conn., is the fact that in each case, the killer knew, with a high probability, that he would not be met or challenged by a law-abiding ARMED citizen. Until that expectation is changed, there will likely be many more such numerators..........
As each of these slaughters occur, we have repeatedly been presented, by those offering professional opinions of such things, that the four killer’s motives were, among other things, “twisted.” These respective “twisted numerators” as I call them, each presided over their other more common denominator of killing innocent people.
These warped consciousnesses, created and nurtured by incessant teachings arising in the social science departments of most of our educational institutions, characterized by “its not your fault,” results in large numbers of people emerging from schooling believing their teachers. In their mind, whatever their short comings, it isn’t their fault! It’s someone else’s.
At that point, as Ayn Rand indicated in another context, its “deuces wild” because they have no idea whose fault it is, and they can fashion any “twisted” or “warped” logic that satisfies their illusions as to how to deal with such ‘injustice.”
If this is true, then it follows that to the extent they survive, the rest of us will be subjected to examples of such individuals. We therefore had best be capable of doing so on their terms. Unfortunately this means self-defense, both personal and, with respect to the young and innocent, protection of same by those of us whose age indicates we ought be not so innocent.
The intellectual anorexics will unfortunately continue to empower them, as they seek to disarm the rest of us.
Bryan P. Björnson in Hopkins. MN
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:27 PM
Crisis is the rallying cry of the tyrant. James Madison Never let a crisi go to waste. Chicago mayor Rahm Emanuel.
Bill Taylor in Pope, MS
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:29 PM
Two unarmed adults, a principal and a teacher, tried to rush a social misfit that was firing shots. That's not too bright. If those teachers had some firearm training and been armed they might have prevented so many deaths.
Criminals and nut cases don't care about gun legislation. Law enforcement, regardless of what it states on their car doors, cannot protect anyone but themselves. Think about it. Law enforcement gets called after the act. We have to be prepared to protect ourselves and our families.
Merry Colin in Cave Creek, AZ
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:45 PM
Well, maybe is wasn't "not too bright" to you but you can be damn sure it was brave! Beats submission and a slim chance existed that several people at once could have done something. I can't imagine doing nothing as your comment implies they should have.
ChuckL in Henderson
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:35 PM
Merry, I think that Bill was indicating that all teachers should be trained and have personal firearms complete with Concealed Carry Permits. That would have solved the problem as it has done so well elsewhere. You can't stop the tragedy, but you can stop it very quickly. and maybe the knowledge of armed resistance will prevent some of these attacks.
Rick in Maryland
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:29 PM
These comments simply hide the hypocrisy of the liberal agenda which has no problem murdering millions of innocent babies by abortion, but screams loudest when far less children die at the hands of "violent gun carrying citizens". This, by no means minimizing the tragedy. But, violence will occur in any society where people are unable to control and manage their moral behavior. Morality is always the overriding factor, not the means used to carry out one's immoral behavior.
Paul in Grimesland, NC
Saturday, December 22, 2012 at 10:29 AM
There is some spoken truth.
Anthony in CT
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:30 PM
We remove God from our society and then are shocked when Godless events happen. Stop blaming the gun and put the blame were it belongs...on Society. Some parents allow their children to be raised by TV and video games and have become de-sensitized to violence. Morals and values are not being instilled in them. And they go out into the world
Jim in Hampton, Va
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:32 PM
As proven again recently and throughout history, whether school, or country a gun free zone is a target rich environment waiting to happen. In our recent history, it has been on our Colleges, High Schools and now our Grade School.
Nicki Broch in Billings MT
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:32 PM
Until we find a solution to the problem of treating the mentally ill, this kind of tragedy will continue. In the 60's we emptied the mental hospitals and extended "civil" rights to persons who had no ability to exercise the judgement necessary to live a "civil" life. Now unless they "do" something, we cannot "do" anything to restrain their sometime sociopathic behavior. This is the tragedy....not gun control.
James A. Bateman in Tool, Texas
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:49 PM
Excellent point. The fairly tale that mentally ill patients are capable of faithfully taking their antipsychotic drugs over the long term has resulted in countless murders and mayhem ever since they were turned out of mental facilities following the decision to afford them their "cvil right" of freedom from institutionalization in the 1960s.
desert in arizona
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:32 PM
Instead of gun control..the morons in this phony excuse for a government might try banning the garbage about not having God in the work place, in the schools, in public, on the streets..etc etc .....you wonder whats wrong with this society liberals.....LOOK IN THE MIRROR!
Merry Colin in Cave Creek, AZ
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:47 PM
You can be damn sure that prayers were in that school on that day! Screw the Marxists.
Bill DeFelice in McKeesport,PA.
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:32 PM
The sadness we feal,for the loss of children,must be tempered so no knee-jerk respnoce can be brought up by critics of our Constotution.
TheTexasCooke in Lockhart, Texas
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:33 PM
They are welcome to come for my weapons whenever they want....in fact, I hope that Sen. Dianne Feinstein (Bitch-CA) comes in person.
Paul Wyatt in St. Johns, Florida
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:33 PM
It will never be beneath those who call themselves Progressives to exploit human tragedy for political gain. Rather than accept that incidents like the Newtown massacre are rooted in nothing but pure evil, let alone that a well-armed citizenry is the most effective deterrent of such madness, they will always see things like this as an opportunity to peel back one more shingle from the roof of liberty. It is discpicable, and it raises the spectre of the devious temptation they must feel towards manufacturing some final chaos to bring their schemes to their ultimate Godless completion.
Wiley in Texas
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:33 PM
The reason for the 2nd Admendment was not to have guns for hunting or for sport. It was to prevent a despotic government from ever taking over our country by force of arms. An armed public would far out number any military force a despot could muster.
After WWII, the Japanese where ask why they never invaded the main land of the US. There answer was very simple, they believed it would be impossible because they believed every home had a fire arm.
One other thing to remember is the first article of the Communist Manifesto is to disarm the public, only them will they be able to control the people.
John Tatum in Brenham, Texas
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:34 PM
A common thread with all these mass shootings is mental illness. Until this country makes a serious effort to treat mental illness these things will go on. Of course it is only the tip of the iceberg when you consider the millions of people with a serious mental illness that costs society billions of dollars.
But instead we sweep mental illness under the rug and would rather talk about gun control that will do nothing to promote safety or help anybody who is suffering.
Bob in Farmville, VA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:34 PM
Think this country will ever figure out that letting the liberals destroy the family (welfare, same sex marriage, easy divorce, etc.) while also attacking the church may have something to do with why we have many of these sociopaths running around loose. They have no hope for their lives.
Rifleman in Nawth Georgia
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:34 PM
Democrats / Liberals / Progressives desire to punish the people who didn't do it.
Hamilton in IL
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 8:45 PM
It's bigger than punishment. It's ultimately enslavement.
Freddy O'Reithe in Columbia, NJ
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:35 PM
In support of Mr. Huckabe's remarks, concerning Newtown, CT. The removal of whether it's a belief in God or Religion or just a sense of core values... It is a system of understanding, of what is right and what is wrong, a cement that holds a civilation together; some thing we have lost track of and my be the nib of what is going on. Frankly, we have become a nation where the nuts (who don't know the difference of right and wrong) have taken over the institution!
Larrymac1 in Leander, TX
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:35 PM
Politicians, especially those in power love to spend money. Put more money in our public schools and hire real guards and put them at every door, on the playground, at the bus stop. Like in Aurora one legally armed citizen could have stopped the carnige. I don't believe we need to arm the teachers, but we certainly need armed officers at every public school in this country.
AS long as the liberal public continues to say "Keep my children safe, but don't arm anyone to help them, and certainly don't teach the children about God and prayer. We have hundreds of thousands of lost souls out there who can arm themselves legally and illegally who have no fear of retribution for their actions. Shoot everyone and then shoot yourself. No retribution. I listened to a brief interview with so called 'experts' and the reporter asked what we should look out for in order to stop this kind of thing before it starts. The experts said the first thing we should look for is someone who goes out to a range and shoot a lot. WHAT??? Being a good shot makes no difference to these sociopaths, they just shoot indicriminatly no matter who it hurts. The kid stole his mothers legally purchased guns and shot his mother in the face at close range. You don't need range practice or any practice to do that.
Has anyone else noticed that there have been multiple public shootings reported in the liberal media lately? A guy at a mall shoots several people killing some and taking his own life, a robbery gone bad and someone gets killed. I am guessing that almost every shooting has been done with guns that the shooter did not legally own. We had a guy get upset with the IRS and fly his small airplane into their building killing one and himself. Planes have killed many more that guns have and they were used specifically to do those killings. Lets outlaw airplanes. Most murders in this country is done with blunt instruments. Lets outlaw baseball bats the number one blunt instrument used in many murders. Folks we are about to lose our gun rights for good. No more hunting, no more shooting contests, but gun crimes will continue they are just going to disarm citizens who legally carry and own weapons. Do you think you are going to get back the money you spent on those weapons and ammo? Keep dreaming. We are going to go from citizens to slaves very quickly.
Bill DeFelice in McKeesport,PA.
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:36 PM
Our Chump'n Chief will let no disaster go to waist.His anti- U.S.Constitution cadre,will use greif,to push their U.N.backed gun control. We must take a step back,and temper our grief,so our rights shall not perish from our America. Bamer + ilk,have no shame!
James A. Bateman in Tool, Texas
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:37 PM
The left wing led by Barry Soetoro has emerged once more this time with his fake tears over the tragedy at Sandy Hook Elementary School. He literally loses no opportunity to attempt to advance his causes all of which may sound proper to adoring supporters but which upon even not very close inspection fall abysmally short of acceptable useage. Instead of attempting genuinely to comfort the grieving families and survivors Barry, true to form, embellished his purely political remarks with tears which hid the fact that he cares very little for anybody or anything but his own agenda.
The words of George Washington have stood the test of time and must be constantly repeated and understood if this nation is to survive the on-going attack upon both its founding principles and its people from automatons such as Barry Soetoro and followers: "Firearms are the peoples' liberty's teeth."
Marc in Atlanta
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:37 PM
Reading The Patiot Post is sounding more and more like church. Not good.
ChuckL in Henderson
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:22 PM
Mark, It could be that churches are no longer sounding like a church should and promoting self control which is required as a condition of the free will that God has given to us.
Marc in Atlanta
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 5:16 PM
That the business of the churches. It is superstition and mythology that diverts attention and resources away from addressing the real issues, such as the treatment of the mentally ill.
R.K. sprau in L.C. N.M.
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 7:59 PM
Nope as a Historical Theologian I can say church has turned into a gimmeee, screw everyone else, Gid is a slot machine, Money, money, money. Help the poor? Can't do that for we're into the greenbacks, we're into what in it for me..
ChuckL in Henderson
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:24 PM
Marc You should also check the Federalist Papers in which you will find that the founders of this country all promoted attendance at church and religion in general.
Marc in Atlanta
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 5:19 PM
That's nice. However, 1) I follow the Constitution which make no such suggestions and 2) its time we mature past mythology and superstition and enter the 21st century. The attributing of the Newton tragedy to a turning from the supernatural is astonishingly ignorant.
Hamilton in IL
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 8:49 PM
ChuckL,
Many of the Founders were religious men. However, though they might have promoted religion, they did not require it, nor did they codify it into our defining documents, other than to provide law against it's banishment or institutionalization.
Marc in Atlanta
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 5:07 PM
Hamilton, correct. One of our key founding principles is religious liberty. When government picks one religion to promote or support, they violate everyone's religious liberty. I don't know why this is so complicated. Perhaps because those in the majority never consider the implications of the possibility that someone else's beliefs may be the one promoted by the government. I suspect the first time an atheist teacher asks her whole class to recite "God is a Myth" we'll see a flurry of Christians demanding that the teachers' personal beliefs have no place in school. So, I suspect the opinion about prayer in school will be dependent on who's prayer.
R.K. sprau in L.C. N.M.
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 8:00 PM
I said the some thing during the primaries and got jumped on.I am referring to Ric who doesn't want separation between church and state. You hit part of the problem squarely on the head.
RJ in Austin Texas
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:38 PM
A TIME TO MORN It has taken three days for the “Blame Guns” and “Gun Control” forces to begin their “Guns Kill” movement. I ask that Americans think about this reaction and morn the indescribable evil that descended on America Friday, December 15th. I ask that we remember that those who represent that they want open honest discussion about guns are the same group of individuals who have legislated, regulated and borrowed our nation to a crisis that will be inherited by the same generation of children that we now morn for. They feel no remorse for what they have done. We can argue that the first amendment’s “Freedom of the Press” and “Freedom of Speech” needs amending as that freedom and its applications have divided this country in such anger and taught the youth of our nation how to kill efficiently (video games). Does Hollywood want a banning of all video games and movies which show any use of guns to kill and / or maim? Let’s be sure that prohibition of and banning these visually violent fabrications is publically discussed by those who would ignore the second amendment.
TheTexasCooke in Lockhart, Texas
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:38 PM
I understand how the Dems like to "capsize" on every opportunity to make political hay....maybe this would be a good time to discuss if we really need a "free press" anymore, since there hasn't been one in quite a while....just sayin'.....
MNIce in Minnesota
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:40 PM
The Patriot Post is a well-formed exercise of the freedom of the press.
Don in Carlisle
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:39 PM
In my opinion we are reaping the harvest of a culture of death and the removal of all moral boundaries. When you not only justify, but glorify and insist the public pay for the murder of pre born children, when you desensitize teens and young adults to unrelenting violence through media and electronic gaming, when you insist there is no place for defining sin or evil until there is something so horrendous and public that it cannot be ignored and then demand a measure by public opinion and never by anything appearing religious (after all religious speech is hate speech to all who disagree), you should not be surprised to see the respect for the life of others so diminished that insdiscriminate killing of children is no longer a barrier in the thinking of a sociopath. We who respect life, believe in objective and absolute moral standards and abhor voilence must continue to speak out against murder in the womb, insist that there are natural limits to the expression of sexuality, and refuse to participate in making death entertaining. Shame on christians who use porn or electronic gaming which depicts gratuitous violence or permit their children to do so, and those who allow their truth speaking to be controlled by politically correct neighbors and friends. We must call evil evil without hating evildoers, and we must not support the very things we allege to be wrong in the name of being entertained. At least we can attempt to demonstrate the truth of what we say be what we do and endorse.
Art Acuna in Miami, FL.
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:41 PM
The 'knee-jerk' solution is always: Let's ban the guns. While this will make for an Obama 'feel-good' moment if he were able to obtain a weapon's ban bill to sign into law (surrounded by weapons violence victims), it will do nothing to reduce the insanity. A weapons ban overlooks the root cause of this disturbing trend: individuals are reneging on their responsibility to behave like civilized people; parents are reneging on their parental duties by not teaching their children moral values and the consequences of shameful behavior. Our young people have been raised in a permissive society where morality is relative and personal responsibility is not required. The upcoming generation clamors for more realistic and brutal video games and, perhaps some real-world consequences should be designed into these games such as having your computer's hard disk irreparably trashed if you should be killed or partially disabled if you are only wounded. This would add a greater measure of reality to video games; after all, there are no 'do-overs' in life.
Carl Jasper in Kingsland, tx
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:41 PM
It is impossible to legislate sociopaths. Gun control is about SLAVERY.
Daylo in Georgia
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:43 PM
For decades, there has been an onslaught of violence and filth coming from the music, gaming and film industry. Continuous bombarded with every imaginable violence - murder, rape, terrorism, sexual perversion and profanities from our own televisions, "gaming" (innocuous term given to a pretend world of murderous killing) all the way to the theatre where you pay BIG bucks to see movies (without first hand knowledge of exactly what is in them), making it easier for no accountability as to the content..and yet, the government once again blames the "ownership of guns "as the only determining factor in this societal breakdown!. Hollywood should be held accountable first! Then poor decisions being made as to teaching those with mental health issues to handle and shoot guns! Guns are to be respected by their owners!
With this logic, should we not remove every car from America as a means of preventing drunk driving and thereby ending vehicular homicide and suicide? What logic is this in a world where liquor is NEVER brought to trial? Yet, we all know what liquor will do to families, and the untold suffering that familes have endured at the hands of people with alcoholism, not to mention health costs! The government is overly involved in obesity and the health costs in that problem, busily banning smoking, salt and large drinks. Why then, is liquor NEVER an issue? Should we not remove liquor? Families are destroyed and children abandoned due to alcoholism, and yet our gov't does not appear to see any correlation between alcohol and the multitude of health issues and higher costs of that problem than obesity!? They again have chosen what they will enforce!
Washington State recently voted for legal Marijuana w/o any guidelines as to how much constitutes too much. Imparied driving/decision-making was never questioned BEFORE the vote was cast, although it is a felony at the Federal level. How, did it get on the ballot in the first place? This admin. does not believe in enforcing ALL of the laws. They again are selective, esp. including immigration laws.
Our right to bear arms, is being threatened because the left has chosen to make this THE issue and circumvent our rights in the process. Why has the mental state of Adam Lanza NOT been brought into this discussion? NO one with mental issues should be taught to handle a gun or have access to a gun. Wouldn't that be much less intrusive to the rights of ALL gunowners?
ChuckL in Henderson
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:17 PM
Daylo,
You bring up many good points however there are problems with your solutions, and some of the states' solutions. Liquor was prohibited by the 18th Amendment. The result was the proliferation of armed gangs selling liquor and having turf wars to protect their territory. This was followed by our proliferation of useless "gun control laws" which make criminals of law abiding citizens and only add to the charges while NOT saving a single life.
Marijuana is another problem. It could be solved in the same manner that the liquor problem should be solved. There should be a consolidation of substance abuse laws that makes the use of any drug, prescription or non-prescription which causes a loss of responsibility to be considered proof of intent and prohibited from being used as a justification for the crime or injury. In short, : "If you take a a drug, you are responsible for your actions." The maximum sentence for the crime must be imposed by the judge, on any conviction after the first and may be imposed on the first.
The background check required to obtain a firearm now, although in violation of the Constitution should include any reports of mental problems that are demonstrations of a violent tendency.
Candor in New Hampshire
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:45 PM
We won't let children pray in school because we're afraid of brainwashing them into an active faith and belief in God. However, the progressives are vehement in their free speech defense of horrid, troubling television programming centered on violent crime (and the disturbed people behind it all), in the name of "entertainment". They obviously understand the influence of exposure, so why are they willing to inject this evil into our society? In the 1950s, children prayed in school. Some also took guns to school during certain times of the year, so they could go hunting after class (no kidding). There were no mass shootings. I guess we know what the progressives don't want - faith in God, traditional family life, and content, well-adjusted children.
Marc in Atlanta
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:51 PM
Correction: we don't allow officially organized prayer in school because it violates the Constitution. We have as much religious liberty as we had in the 50s. Our nation needs to focus on the way we treat mental illness and stop blaming guns or lack of religious freedom, both of which are bogus arguments.
RedLeg in M'boro
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:48 PM
Prayer or even organized prayer in school does not violate the US Constitution. "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; ..." Prayer is not establishing a religion but it is prohibiting the free exercise thereof. Schools are a county/city problem, not the federal government. Therefore only state, county and city laws apply not federal laws. US Constitution is a contract between the federal government and the state government. WE THE PEOPLE agreed to that on 17 SEP 1787. SCOTUS got it wrong.
RedLeg in M'boro
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:49 PM
I mean stopping prayer or organized prayer it is prohibiting the free exercise thereof.
Marc in Atlanta
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 5:25 PM
You are free to worship as you choose, and I support that liberty. Free exercise of religion is an individual right. But our mutual government has no legitimate authority to force any particular set of beliefs on all whom they serve.
Hamilton in IL
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 9:01 PM
RedLeg,
I believe State and local governments are viewed as an extension of the Federal government insofar as the constitution is concerned. Public school (a function of government), accordingly can neither institutionalize nor prohibit prayer in the schools. So they stay away from it, turning their attention to reading, riting, and rithmatic.
Will God love you any less if you confine your prayer to your home or your church? Does your pastor demand that your kids must pray in school?
RedLeg in M'boro
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 10:05 PM
The point is prayer should not be restricted. Your argument is not valid. Like it states in the US Constitution. Whether the preacher agrees or not. It is not the preacher's call. If a muslim kid can pray in school, so can the others. Yes it is happening in M'boro. Freedom for all religions. If you are atheist or agnostic, why do you care?
RedLeg in M'boro
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 10:15 PM
You assumption is wrong about state and locals as an extension of feds. You need to read the federalist and anti federalist papers and a host of other documents. My degree is in History. The founders were for the most part, states rights guys. Hence the US Constitution is a contract between states and fed. If that is not so why were Senators appointed by state legislatures and amendments approved by state legislatures or popular vote as directed by state legislatures? Senator were changed by that progressive WWilson. I always enjoy conversing with people that do not understand US Constitutional history.
Marc in Atlanta
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 5:01 PM
RedLeg - whose form of worship, whose beliefs, should be forced, by government employees, on all our children in school? Should they all be forced to bow to Mecca? Should they all be forced to worship Satan? Should they all pray to Jesus? A generic god? Should they be forced to recite "God is a myth"? Any student is free to pray by themselves (or even in groups of friends, as long as it is not being disruptive or during lessons). A silent bowing of the head before lunch is not prohibited. Seems to me god should be able to hear those prayers, right? What is, and must be consistently prohibited is our mutual government employees, supported by our mutual tax dollars, choosing one belief system, say Wiccan, and leading an organized prayer involving all students. Anyone who respects the Constitution and anyone with common sense can see the problems inherent with that.
Just Saying in Idaho
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 6:40 PM
Not any specific one. But the establishment clause doesn't mean the banishment of religion, or it shouldn.t
Marc in Atlanta
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 4:52 PM
Exactly.
Marc in Atlanta
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 4:53 PM
That Exactly was to Hamilton in IL.
Hamilton in IL
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 12:02 PM
RedLeg,
The Constitution doesn’t address prayer. It addresses the establishment of an official religion under the government, and it addresses the banishment of religion by the government. If children aren’t allowed to pray in school, that doesn’t mean their religion is being rescinded, nor does it mean the government is foisting a religion onto the children. We have the right to free speech but no child is going to be allowed to start talking in class and not stop until the bell rings at 3:15. I think that government officials are trying to stay away from religion in schools, for the reasons I stated. And I think, as a practical matter, school officials maintain that there is a time and place for everything, and that school is not the place for religion. The teachers have a job to do. If indeed, Muslim children are being allowed to break for prayer during school, you should be complaining about the inequity of it.
Right or wrong, our government has moved past the federalist and anti-federalist papers (I personally think they’re mostly wrong, but that’s another subject). Schools, for the most part, are now public. They are run by the government and paid for with taxpayer dollars funneled through government. I think that if you want unrestricted religion in school, you should push hard to get the government completely out of the schools, and then you would have an ally in me.
The fact that we’re having all these sorts of conversations, on a multitude of topics, not just religion, about what the government should and shouldn’t be doing, is due to the fact that you and I, and Marc, and everyone else in the country are living at a time in which we’re becoming victims of generations upon generations of legislative encroachment ever since the fed and anti-fed papers were written, ever since the Constitution was ratified. Government has usurped our nation, incrementally, over the last century-and-a-half. They are no longer just keeping the laws, fighting internal corruption, and protecting our borders - to discharge their only duty which is to protect the private sector so that it may go about its business unabated. They are nurse-maiding our very existence.
William F. Brna in Monongahela, PA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:46 PM
While it is extremely difficult to accept the horrible tragedy of the massacre of the children in Newtown, CT, why do we not hear the same outrage for the millions of children who have been aborted? They, too, will never grow up, graduate, marry and raise kids of their own (to paraphrase the president).
Clay Holland in Clay
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:46 PM
Here is an article that needs to be read and needs more publicity ,,, http://healthland.time.com/2012/12/17/i-am-adam-lanzas-mother-when-parents-are-afraid-of-their-children/
Ed Clark in Dayton, TX
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:47 PM
We do not need more gun control, but individual control. Think about it, a gun not in the hands of an individual is no more dangerous than a cheeseburger.
Dave Walden in Broomfield, Colorado
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:48 PM
Those who most stridently object to "gun control," do so out of fear. This is not a fear of wild animals except of the human kind. Those amongst us who might be potential criminals; those who are in fact criminals; but particularly those who, acting under the "legitimacy" of law, seek to impose their legitimacy at the point of THEIR guns.
It is the latter that we most fear, and for which the founders wisely inserted the second amendment into our governing documents.
History shows that all tyrannical governments emerge from - and reign over a disarmed populace, one in which said populace "properly" fears authority, and has no legitimate means of resistance.
I myself, in 1972, brandishing a Browning 9mm hidden in my coat, prevented almost a certain mugging of my wife and myself in Atlanta, Georgia. The two muggers stopped in their tracks when I drew down on them, as they quickly turned away into the night. I was scared stiff but in retrospect, would have emptied the clip into both had they continued to approach. At that time I would have no doubt been charged with a crime, convicted of same, and sentenced to whatever was thought to be appropriate punishment against such an enemy of the rest of us.
If a majority of our fellows cannot see the fundamental benefit of "the right to bear arms," and the fundamental perversion of justice potentially at work in my example had it become necessary that I shoot both of these men, then I fear the prohibition against firearms in the possession of a citizen as a fundamental right, is destined for history. I suppose I and millions of others like me will become criminals at the point such prohibition becomes reality.
If I were given the choice, I would support whatever reasonable measures were needed to prevent someone who is judged to be unfit, from obtaining a firearm, much as I do with respect to obtaining a drivers license. One must demonstrate oneself to be "fit" to have one - however fit is to be defined.
However, those of us who see the rise of tyranny in this country will not support legislation that effectively prohibits the ownership, and proper use of firearms, for the rest of us.
Perhaps, for the effective protection of the rest of us, they will also support and obtain the expected benefits from such restrictions/prohibitions with respect to Heroin and Marijuana as well?
Hamilton in IL
Thursday, December 20, 2012 at 11:37 PM
Dave, Thank you.
Donald Trodahl in Westminster, CA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:48 PM
The President's and the Left's comments show what is wrong with the country. People who have lived lives without any spiritual guidance or teaching are open to be swayed by their environment, piers, and whatever doctrine they subscribe to. We have gone from a country that was initially spiritual to a county that is godless. Moral relativism states that what works for you is relative no matter what the consequences are to the victims of this doctrine, hence these horrific acts. Unless we return to what was lost starting from the1960's, we will only more and more of these acts perpetrated by the monsters we have created.
Mike in Colorado
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:48 PM
While I can't agree with armed teachers in every classroom. A trained and armed (M-4 preferably) guard in every school is fine by me. Maybe patrolling the hallways. The Sandy Hook massacre will live in our lives forever, but its no excuse for the gun control nuts to get even more zealous in trying to take away our 2nd Amendment right to own AND carry a firearm. Remember in 1776 the Kentucky long rifle was an assault rifle.
ChuckL in Henderson
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:46 PM
Mike,
One guard can be "taken out" by an attacker.
Only law abiding citizens and legal residents are able to obtain a CCP in this state and in many others. There are no incidences of a holder of a CCP committing a crime of violence.
Therefore any holder of a CCP should receive a preference as a teacher. This not only gets a qualified protector, but also gets as teacher with a much better background check than is obtained for the average teacher.
R.K. sprau in L.C. N.M.
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 8:02 PM
I live in L.C. N.M. We have to have armed police officers in our schools. this is a very crazy world we live in. to have the police protect our children, this is a national pandemic.
Tilghman Scott in Springboro, Ohio
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:48 PM
Our children are taught violence. Think not - just look at the many games available for electronic toys in which the splattering of blood is the reward. As a nation, we are upset when incidents like this happen as we should be but why, then, do we overlook the fact that in one city, Chicago, more than three times as many are killed each month or is it that we can overlook those killings because those slain were black ? America has a societal problem, created by permissiveness, loss of respect for life, many have no sense of value and the media and entertainment industries get filthy rich as they help create more programs like those too frequently available to our young, teaching these young minds that like isn't wirth much.........and don't forget that evil, demented people in white coats legally kill many times the school shooting number every day in abortion clinics across this blood-splattered land.We are teaching God our of our lives, standards are gone, responsibility is excused by 'shrinks' and America no longer has a moral compass, ethics died right after World War II and as leaders, we see a gaggle of spendthrifts who stand for absolutely nothing..
Grampa in farmington MI
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:52 PM
The common thread in all the shootings are that they all were "GUN FREE ZONES" They knew no body was going to shoot back. May God take care of these poor family's who lost their loved ones. It would have taken one well trained person to protect all the ones we have lost. Gun laws can only be enforced after the fact. People with impairments do not read signs, or obey laws. A well directed bullet would have saved lives.God bless America. Grampa
R.K. sprau in L.C. N.M.
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 8:04 PM
M<y sister lives in Coldwater. the police told her if she uses her weapon in self defense she;s looking at serious time. Is is symptom or the disease?
John in SC
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:53 PM
I think desert's in AZ comments are correct, as well as the underlying reason any of this happens is our country has lost the christian moral character of which it was founded on. God, Country, Family have been replaced with drugs, outrageous video games, and politically correct social values on television.
Ray Hunt in Indianapolis, In.
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:53 PM
Indiana closed a mental hospital in 1994 after being in existence for 150 years and a pop. of 2800 at one time. For whatever reason I don't know, but probably money. How many other states has done the same out of fifty? Do you suppose that therein lies a cause of a problem today. Ray and not guns.
John in Colorado
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:54 PM
Although very tragic and sad, the event at Newtown last week is already being used as political posturing. If assault weapons are banned and another similar event takes place using lesser weapons there will be a an emotional plea to ban those weapons and so on until all weapons are banned. I do not fear the weapons, I fear a population that has been numbed by Hollywood and video makers who will scream and holler if their rights to free speech are challenged while they put out the filth that is the real culprit behind these acts all the while telling me which weapons I can or cannot own. There is a lot of hypocracy from those who will use this event to get weapons banned while allowing the sale of violet video games where the score is established by the number of people on kills.
Arthur Ruggles in LA.
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:56 PM
Twas' 11 days before Christmas, around 9:38 when 20 beautiful children stormed through heaven's gate. Their smiles were contagious, their laughter filled the air. They could hardly believe all the beauty they saw there. They were filled with such joy, they didn't know what to say. They remembered nothing of what had happened earlier that day. "Where are we?" asked a little girl, as quiet as a mouse. "This is heaven." declared a small boy. "we're spending Christmas at God's house." When what to their wondering eyes did appear, but Jesus, their savior, the children gathered near. He looked at them and smiled, and they smiled just the same. Then He opened His arms and He called them by name. And in that moment was joy, that only heaven can bring Those children all flew into the arms of their King and as they lingered in the warmth of His embrace, one small girl turned and looked at Jesus' face. And as if He could read all the questions she had, He gently whispered to her, "I'll take care of mom and dad." Then He looked down on earth, the world far below He saw all of the hurt, the sorrow, and woe... then He closed His eyes and He outstretched His hand, "Let My power and presence re-enter this land!" "may this country be delivered from the hands of fools" "I'm taking back my nation. I'm taking back my schools!" then He and the children stood up without a sound. "Come now my children, let me show you around." excitement filled the space, some skipped and some ran. All displaying enthusiasm that only a small child can. and i heard Him proclaim as He walked out of sight, "in the midst of this darkness, I AM STILL THE LIGHT." Written by Cameo Smith, Mt. Wolf, PA — with Andrea Marie.
Sharon in Clarkston, WA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:56 PM
As mind numbing as it is to try to comprehend anyone slaughtering children and teachers at a school it was not done by the weapons alone. "The heart is deceitful above all things and desperately wicked." "As a man thinks in his heart, so is he." Out of a deranged young man's dark heart and mind came pouring the wickedness that lived there. We cannot forget that this is not just from a sick mind and try to find a 'reason' for it. Evil needs no reason. Yes, illnesses are real and I am not minimizing mental illness. Obviously no one in their "right mind" would do such a thing. But "right minds" come from a Biblical world view. Evil is not fought by the removal of weapons but by the filling of the heart and mind with truth and the light only God brings; truth and light come from God's Word. My heart aches for these families. None of us can bring these precious children back. We should be fighting the real enemy here. Guns are not the enemy. In the name of "freedom" our society embraces all sorts of evil and denies our Creator. It calls evil-good and good-evil. It is all around us and it is costing us dearly and Christians are as blind as the next person. We could change the world if we lived our lives to be light in the world ....too bad we are too comfortable and lazy to do it.
The only other thing I have to say is......The government responsible for Operation Fast and Furious doesn't have a leg to stand on when preaching gun control.
Mike in Colorado
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:57 PM
All the Gun Free Zone's won't stop a madman from doing what he has set his mind to do. What's next Intellect Free Zone so no one is allowed to think? The Libtards will have a ball with this tragedy and soon we will parents of these children calling on the nation to lay down its arms. I'm disgusted with the media and this Administration for their complicity and exploitation.
Doris Collins in Addison Tx
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:58 PM
Guns are not the problem. It is the sick people that use them. We can not be responsible for all of these sick people. Their family should be more aware of their problems and get help for them. As said before, if our guns are taken away, ONLY CRIMINALS will have guns!
Richard Sava in Deltona, Fl
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:59 PM
Search Bath School disaster - no guns, 38 elementary school children killed. Good thing a gun wasn't used. According to the US Census Bureau, in 2009 (latest year for stats that I can find) there were 12,632 deaths by homicide in the US. There were 1.21 MILLION abortions. To paraphrase Stalin - "A single death is a tragedy, a million deaths is a statistic." We have a "gun" problem in America? We have a morality problem in America. When you kill 100 times more innocent unborn children every year than the number of people killed with guns, your morals as a country are the problem.
Fran in Anchorage, AK
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 12:59 PM
The media never publishes how many lives have been saved by having someone who is carrying a weapon. The Israeli's have their staffs armed and trained in defense: why not us? Because that wouldn't leave "soft" spots for maniacs to destroy the unarmed.
Jerry in East Syracuse, NY
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:00 PM
You just can't legislate against mass murder. It just won't stop it from happening. If you put a sign on all the school doors " Our Students are Protected by armed guards" the shooter probably would not have entered the School. If the Administrators were armed and trained they may have saved many lives
Curt Seal in Marietta, GA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:00 PM
I can not believe that Gun Control is the true answer to this and other events. I believe that a better God forefront & deeper Religious faith.. like the Sunday nite service at the Sandy Hook High School & do at sporting events & many other ceremonies, should be began early in life... faith in God is a great answer.
Our economy is a disaster, our country is going deeper into debt, no budget.. this current administration is such a quandary.. this Prez is worthless. He will not & he does not want to get this Country on it's feet. I can not help to wonder that with such disparage that some folks just go "Off Their Rocker".
Keith White in Casper, WY
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:02 PM
My heart goes out to the families of the innocent children that were killed and the children that went through this and will have to live with the memories the rest of their lives. Its hard to imagine anyone could resort to a act like this. I pray for all of these victim's that they can move on.
I could not believe that before any details were out about what happened for sure, the left and Obama used this as a tool for gun control It is not guns that kill people, Deranged people kill people. All schools need a lock down system and I think teachers and staff should be required to go through a firearms course and should be armed or the schools should have security on duty during school hours. This is no different that pilots being armed!
Kathy in AZ
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:05 PM
Once again - Obama has shown he will never let a "crisis" go to waste - channeled from Rahm. Obama speaking on the tragic deaths of these innocent children is very ironic, since in his own words - getting pregnant is a mistake, the killing of a baby surviving an abortion is quite alright (since he voted for the legistation twice in IL). The man who supports the killing of babies has NO heart and therefore his words mean nothing.
Diane in WA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:05 PM
As I suspected it is all about the guns. When will people understand that mental illness is behind so much of this. We who have dealt with it know this scenerio all too well. There is nothing can be done until "they become a threat to themselves or others". The jails/prisons are full of mentally ill people, all because they finally got around to doing something to someone else. Ask any law enforcement person they will tell you this exact same story.
ONTIME in VACAVILLE, CA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:07 PM
Condolences are not enough for all that has occurred to harm those involved in this tragedy who lost loved ones..may God keep them in the palm of his hand. This was not supposed to happen in a delusional model of a lib bastion of security, no arms anywhere to stop the wolf they let thru the door, it is the perfect reason to blame anyone and everyone for the lack of reason and logic employed in this security failure...just think of what difference a armed guard or allowing the right to carry might have done, those weapons were not for killing the kids, these are used to protect them....God have mecy on those whose good intentions put others in harms way.
Don Barker in Wenham, MA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:08 PM
The solution to our problem with people "massacring" unarmed people in "gun free zones" is to dump the "gun free zones" and rely on armed citizens to take action. We should train and arm teachers (like Israel) and store and theater managers as well. To coin a phrase, "if guns are outlawed, only outlaws will have guns". Just look at Great Britain where the people are fully disarmed. The bad guys are armed and willing to use them without worrying about return fire.
ONTIME in VACAVILLE, CA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:10 PM
Another example of good intention gone awry, the Faker in the WH has again employed grief and crisis to point out how wonderful his lib agenda is compared to commonsense and fact......can we please get a real credentialed American President????
John Howell in Tennessee
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:12 PM
It is apparent that the current administration sees this primarily as way to push it's agenda. There is no concern for the root cause of these barbaric, amoral acts. Whether it's the murder of our embassy personnel, the execution style slaughter of civilians in the streets of Syria or the massacre of school children, these evil acts are predictable. When there is no moral compass, no sense of accountability, no good or evil, then mankind becomes capable of the most horrific deeds. The administration will ignore the corruption of the soul and lay blame on inert objects and those who oppose it's liberal socialist policies. They ignore the fact that thousands of innocent people are brutally murdered each day around the world and guns are not involved. The real problem, which will be not be acknowledged, is the condition of the human heart.
Susan in Maine
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:12 PM
The murder of the 20 children in Newtown is something I will never forget; but this tragic event was not the worst event in written history against children. When guns were not available there was a mass murder in Israel of all the boys 2 years old and younger...... children forced from their family's hands and murdered because the King heard there was a new King among them.... Think about that one for a bit...
Rifleman in Nawth Georgia
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:12 PM
When Paul Wellstone was killed in a 'plane crash, Democrats turned his funeral into a pep rally for Democrat causes.
When Ted Kennedy died from cerebral cancer, Democrats used his passing as a call to support Obamacare. Their mantra was, "Do it for Ted."
Why should anyone be surprised that the murders of 20 little ones wouldn't be used to further Democrats' anti-Second Amendment obsession?
The first two of those twenty children are just now being committed to the ground.
Democrats found their spawning ground in 1930s Germany. They're using the same techniques as did the Sturmabteilung.
Democrats will never allow a crisis to go to waste. They are worse than jungle beasts.
Hamilton in IL
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 9:03 PM
Oooooohhhh. Well said.
Keep it up!
Neil Whitty in Lockwood
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:13 PM
gun control laws including "gun free zones" are in the bet interest of criminals and the unbalanced and make it far more dangerous for law abiding people who are left defenseless. the police are not there to protect anyone, their job is to catch the one who killed you, but you are still dead. when seconds count, the police are only minutes away under the best conditions.
M. Lyons in San Antonio, TX
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:17 PM
What I hear missing in the argument about the right to bear arms is the responsibility that goes with that right. Gun owners have a individual responsibility to insure their lawfully owned firearms do not fall into the wrong hands. The mother of that deranges boy who shot up the elementary school in Connecticut failed in her responsibility to secure those firearms. Either we, the gun owning public, begin to take responsibility for the security of are firearms our, like everything else in society, the government will do it for us.
NRA Life Member
ChuckL in Henderson
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:02 PM
So again we have politicians pandering to those who substitute emotion for logic and avoid a logical answer. Politicians and voters who do not understand that before machine guns, there were self loading guns; before self loading guns, there were repeating guns; before repeating guns, there were single shot guns; before single shot guns, there were, and still are, cross bows; before crossbows there were, and still are, swords and knives, hammers, machetes, and hatchets, spears and clubs, and rocks. I am sure that there are many others that I have not listed.
I understand that during BH Obama's reign so far, there have been two school security laws which have been made useless for financial reasons. These laws could have provided for two armed police officers at each school in the nation, but Obamacare was more important.
And then without these massacres, Obama loses his reasons for gun confiscation laws, which as noted above will not work anyhow.
Mr. Lyons,, That "BOY" was a 20 year old man. The problem lies in two thoughtless problems supported by those who do not understand that tools can be used for any purpose for which they will work. They are not restricted, not is it possible to restrict them to their design application.
A framing hammer is designed to make it easier to build houses. It can also break skulls and shatter brains. The problem is not the tool. It is in the refusal to allow protection for others, children included.
if each teacher in every school was an armed holder of a Concealed Carry Permit, these school massacres would not have a chance of success. In view of the absolute failure of the "anti-gun" crowd to provide any evidence of a "CCP" holder going on a rampage, it would be most appropriate for "CCP" holders to be welcomed everywhere and not restricted in where they may go with their guns.
Of course this will require retraining the police to treat these heroes and heroines as what they are when they do what the police are paid to do and prevent or stop a crime. Currently this is a major financial risk for those who are willing to stop a criminal who is not attacking them personally and in many cases even a clear case of self defense is a major legal cost.
What we call a legal system of justice is NOT. It is a game played by lawyers in which both the winner and the loser get rich, and the defendant loses. This must be fixed.
M. Lyons in San Antonio, TX
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:44 PM
You are correct, that boy was a 20 year old man. I am a CHL holder and have almost 30 years experience with firearms. All I am saying is that we, as gunholders, need to realize the potential for misues of our firearms and take the individual responsibility to make sure YOUR lawfully owned firearms don't fall in the wrong hands. I have been doing it for going on 30 years. Somehow you think that anyone who picks up a hammer will immediately bash some one's head in. My experience is that most people who misuse a hammer smash their thumb. Misuse of a firearm a little bit different. I also agree with more CHL's in school. Here in Texas all public school districts have their own, armed police department. Maybe we can use that idea nationwide. My bottom line is if you decide to purchase and own a firearm, your responsible for it. If that's a foreign concept to you, hopefully you don't own any firearms.
Sylvia Schmidt in Anthem, AZ
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:19 PM
Why is no one mentioning the extreme lack od community mental health services? So many were cut from finding years ago, and now, those with extreme problems have no place to go...?..
R.K. sprau in L.C. N.M.
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 8:07 PM
When you cut services and slice up the security net we have to pay the price. I agree we need to control spending yet at what cost? Use a scalpel not a machete.
Rifleman in Nawth Georgia
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:20 PM
There are more than 30,000 gun laws on the books of the fifty States -- an average of more than 600 per State.
Twenty years ago, the Democrat mantra was "assault weapons." Now, it's "semi-automatic assault weapons" -- an oxymoron in its own right.
Assault weapons were outlawed to civilian possession in 1934 but that doesn't matter to Democrats who have no compunction in using their First Amendment rights to eventually eviscerate the Second.
As they always do, Democrats change the language and the definitions so that they can determine what the Second Amendment "really means."
It won't be long before a bolt-action rifle is a "sniper rifle."
They did the same with "global cooling" which became "global warming" and has metamorphosed into "climate change."
Hamilton in IL
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 9:33 PM
And recall that the "global cooling" you spoke of was being caused by holes punched into the ozone layer by the clorofluorocarbons in aerosol sprays. The earth's heat was escaping into space.
Then, the holes in the ozone layer were being caused by carbon dioxide, which in turn were causing "global warming".
So, one cause (ozone layer holes) creating two opposite problems.
Then, more recently, it was learned that some prominent climate scientists willfully falsified their data in order to show global warming that wasn't there, in order to secure more research grants. Then, other research showed that the ever-so-slight warming trend was reversing. Plus, some people actually realized that the time for New Jersey to be underwater had come and gone.
After this, since we evidently weren't warming anymore, and in fact maybe even cooling, they decided to uncouple their ideas from the "warming" notion. That's when they revamped their movement, calling it global climate "change". But "change" inherently means the possibility of movement in more than one direction, e.g. cooling.
So now we logically have a movement that warns us against using aerosol propellants and generating carbon dioxide because both will cause either global cooling or global warming.
So what's climate change really all about?
CarolDeGraff in Sacramento, CA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:25 PM
this hatred spewing person had to read from a prepared speech as he pretended to get choked up & wipe away a tear..........anyone who truly cared & felt bad about this murderous act would have been able to speak from the heart instead of a piece of paper/prompter??.........where was our supposedly first lady????????? why was she not there??????? probably on vacation somewhere spending the tax money of the parents of the innocents taken away that day!.............just another photo-op......just another excuse to disarm the honest & legal citizens of this country.......SHAME ON HIM, HER & THEIR TRAITOROUS MEDIA!
Barb in Florida
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:26 PM
I'm sorry to have to disagree with you, but I strongly feel that all sane teachers and administrators need to be armed to protect the innocent victims. This country is no longer a peaceful place to live. Once they ousted God from the public arena, and replaced him with disrespect and no accountability by individuals and indoctrination by violent games for our children, we have gone downhill fast.
Rifleman in Nawth Georgia
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:28 PM
According to Gary Kleck, University of Florida professor, more than 2,000,000 times each year, armed citizens prevent or interdict crimes -- and, in the vast majority of cases, no shots were fired.
A determined, armed citizen was sufficient to end the threat.
The most recent mall shootings in Oregon were abruptly stopped when a legally-armed citizen let the murderer know that he was about to confront someone who was willing to use the gun that he was holding.
The assailant promptly committed suicide.
How many more innocent, defenseless Christmas shoppers would have died had that armed civilian not been there?
Jim Davis in Arizona
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:30 PM
Visit almost any Federal or State office building and you will find they are protected by armed guards, metal detectors, and other security devices. Aren't our children as important to us as clerk in your local Social Security office? Providing a higher level of security at our schools should be the priority, not taking firearms from law abiding citizens.
JWH in "Republic of Texas"
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:33 PM
First let me say I am profoundly sorry at the awful event in CT. My oldest daughter went to school with the principle that was murdered so this seems closer to home than for most. Is anyone but me puzzeled that these shootings NEVER occur at gun shops, shooting ranges, or police stations? But give the shooter a "gun free zone" and lo and behold he has a field day. I believe there is a very important lesson here, for those smart enough to see beyond their political agenda.
Rifleman in Nawth Georgia
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:33 PM
The worst part of the aftermath for those parents of the murdered children will come after the funerals when they revisit the mementos which those little ones left behind: the bed linens, the stuffed animals, the favorite books and video games, the shoes, the small clothes still hanging in the closets, the photos, the morning cereal boxes in the pantry, the family pet which they selected, the Christmas presents never to be wrapped.
And, most of all, the silence which now fills the homes which echoed with the sounds of those little ones.
Richard P in Louisville, KY
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:35 PM
It's very unfortunate that these things happen. What if this devil walks in with sucide vest filled with high explosives? Maybe were looking at this in the wrong prospective. Looking at more gun control legislation isn't going to help. Are the criminals willing to give up all their weapons?? Maybe we need to look at the single parent and what was going on at home.
Irwin in Deltona,Florida
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:37 PM
I am so glad that someone sees the same thing in Obama's speech as
I did. I was afraid that I was the only one to see him trying to further his
agenda on gun control at this memorial for the precious dead children.
This has to be a new low for Obama and his administration.
JWH in "Republic of Texas"
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:58 PM
When you are an empty suit, all you have is a perverted political agenda. Be prepared for four more years of this!
ChuckL in Henderson
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:37 PM
So again we have politicians pandering to those who substitute emotion for logic and avoid a logical answer. Politicians and voters who do not understand that before machine guns, there were self loading guns; before self loading guns, there were repeating guns; before repeating guns, there were single shot guns; before single shot guns, there were, and still are, cross bows; before crossbows there were, and still are, swords and knives, hammers, machetes, and hatchets, spears and clubs, and rocks. I am sure that there are many others that I have not listed.
I understand that during BH Obama's reign so far, there have been two school security laws which have been made useless for financial reasons. These laws could have provided for two armed police officers at each school in the nation, but Obamacare was more important.
And then without these massacres, Obama loses his reasons for gun confiscation laws, which as noted above will not work anyhow.
256 Not Out in Washington
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:39 PM
You may want to correct the spelling in the Seneca quote. It should be: "... quemadmodum gladius neminem occidit: occidentis telum est." It is from his EPISTULARUM MORALIUM AD LUCILIUM LIBER UNDECIMUS - TERTIUS DECIMUS, LXXXVII line XXX .... Keep up the good work!
F. Y. in Michigan
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:39 PM
Where is the memorial for the 50 million aborted babies going to go??? The leftist need to make up their minds. Killing is killing. Murder is murder. Death is death.
Hightailer in Cleveland TN
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:41 PM
Early on, reports stated that two pistols were found inside the school and the rifle, used to shoot the mother, was found in the car. That story was repeated in several media outlets. As time passed, we heard less about the pistols and were told of "the floor covered with .223 shell casings". Now, it's all about banning 'Assault Rifles' responsible for mass killings. Was this merely errant reporting at first or was the story twisted to this end? And another thing ... has anyone besides me wondered about pharmaceutical drugs and/or violent video games possibly being involved? I have young teen grandchildren who have a difficult time interacting socially because all they want to do is play video games on their computers. I am fearful of taking them to the range, not because of any known rage issues, just because of the unknowable ... can anyone that immersed in games truly know reality?
michael in coral springs. Fl
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:41 PM
Obama's insertion of politics into his message to the parents was, pardon the lack of articulation--disgusting. The campaigner in cheif couldn't just mourn, he had to think of a way to make his opponants villains. Just how do we ban thses weapons? Make them illegal? Murdering 21 people can bring you 21 consecutive life sentences if not the death penalty. Will adding 5 years for assault weapons deter that person from commiting the crime? Heroin is illegal, how's that working? When you consider how many people own guns and how many opportunities psychos have to kill someone, one is more likely to get hit by lightning than ever be involved in a horrow like Newtown. m s
Von Coffman in Salt Lake City
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:42 PM
The new of Sandy hook hurt me deeply and though it is easy to let emothion ride, we sometimes need to step back if just for a few minutes and reflect on the problem. The proble is not the guns. If that were the case then ship all the guns oversees and keep our young men and women home. People kill people PERIOD! Maybe if we raise our children to be able to deal with disipointment in life we wont have these problems. Ya ever notice that 30 years ago we stopped disiplineing and 20 years ago mass shootings really picked up? But guns have been here since the birth of our nation
Larry Fischer in Topeka, Kansas
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:43 PM
With regards to school shootings:
How fleeting is our emotion and how short our memory...
Do you remember this? The Bath School disaster is the name given to three bombings in Bath Township, Michigan, on May 18, 1927, which killed 38 elementary school children, two teachers, four other adults and the bomber himself; at least 58 people were injured. Most of the victims were children in the second to sixth grades (7–11 years of age[1]) attending the Bath Consolidated School. Their deaths constitute the deadliest mass murder in a school in U.S. history. The bomber was school board treasurer Andrew Kehoe, 55, who was enraged about a property tax levied to fund the construction of the school building. Wikipedia This only serves to illustrate the more things change, the more they are the same. Gun control was not implemented after 1927 because moral abuses cannot be stopped by law. They can only be punished. Actually, gun control could, according to history, lead to the murder of millions instead of multiples of ten. Society is never safe when disarmed. According to author Paul Johnson, from 1920 to 1990, 125 million people died at the hands of totalitarian governments. The first thing totalitarianism accomplishes is disarmament of the people. So there are much bigger demons than the lone gunman. The U.S. Constitution is the source of order. No contradictory law can stand before it. An attempt to disarm America goes against the moral order of the people being armed. As in the times of the Civil War our country is now divided. The issue of division is of moral origin, atheists against theists. Those with strong Marxist leanings have gradually become the tail wagging the dog. It will not end easily. Again, the for Abe Lincoln and us, union must be maintained under a common order. Abraham Lincoln believed the invention of the written word was the most meaningful invention of mankind. It allowed nothing invented to remain lost. Our Constitution was invented and must not be lost. Lincoln recognized the temptation of the self righteousness which assails the sensationalist. Americans must be aware of the self-righteousness who will fill the media around the tragic deaths of schoolchildren. The prevention of murder is not possible in any form; the issue is the lack of proper punishment for abuser and general morality -- order and justice. And in a kinder and more gentle society without constitutional order, no justice will occur.
NEVER DISARM
F. Y. in Michigan
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:48 PM
Amen and amen.
Git R Dunn in Alabama
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 5:18 PM
Abe Lincoln started the Civil War over the issue of States Rights in violation of the Constitution ultimately causing 600,000 deaths. Ban Presidents!
CarolDeGraff in Sacramento, CA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:45 PM
when a person is truly sincere in sharing grief with others, they speak from the heart not from a piece of paper/prompter........where was our supposedly first lady???on a vacation??? fake tears, fake everything...just another photo-op to disarm this country......SHAME ON HIM & ALL THOSE WHO ALLOWED THIS TO HAPPEN!.........
DC in IL
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:46 PM
What's the surprise that statists should exploit the death of innocent children to promote laws that remove guns from LAW ABIDING Americans? There are an estimated 85 million plus gun owners in America -- none of whom did anything illegal last Friday. But, the central tyranny never lets a crisis go to waste! They only have three ideas: tax, regulate, spend (even borrowed money) to buy votes -- everything aimed at destroying liberty and increasing their power. Why should they respect dead kids if it means missing an opportunity to push their odious agenda?
PK in SC
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:47 PM
There needs to be some sanity on both sides of this argument. The mental health system is inadequate. The laws allowing authorities to require evaluations of people clearly going off the rails must be strengthened. Loopholes allowing anyone to buy a gun at a gun show without a background check has to be closed. Ironically, none of these would likely have prevented this tragedy from taking place. This young man didn't just wake up and say, what the hell, ... He's been building up this rage for a long time. Maybe his mom should have been aware of it, maybe she was and was in denial, who can say? Evil exists. And the sad fact is, the well armed police were powerless to prevent it. Only an armed and trained citizen at the school would have had a chance of stopping or reducing the carnage. You can bet your house that nobody in the Administration or on the left will make this observation.
Bertrand Kolecza in Porto Alegre, Brazil
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:48 PM
Attacks like this baffle us, seem beyond comprehension. News go round the world, journalists write opinion articles. There is a huge cry asking for guns banning. Let me tell you something about Brazil, "my country" (so to speak). Here, it is the most difficult task for a citizen to have a single six bullets drum revolver. Besides high taxes, licensing costs a lot. Almost the price of another gun. So, guns are under enormous state bureaucracy control ("their country", so to speak). And guess what? Brazil has an average 60 thousand people shot to death per year. Yes, per year. This are guns in the hands of criminals. They know we the civilian population bare no guns. Or few of us. They are free to robber, kill, invade. Never control guns, please. Inspire the world. [Sorry for bad style. Not an easy going english speaker.]
wjm in Colorado
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:06 PM
I think you spoke briliantly and eloquently..Your english is better than many who voted for Obamao.
MNIce in Minnesota
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:16 PM
It is frequently claimed, "The incidence of homicides committed with a firearm in the US is much greater than most other advanced countries." (quoted from Wikipedia). However, the CDC reports that in the last year, there were 11,493 firearms homicides, or about 3.7 per 100,000 people in the United States. According to your statistic, Brazil has 30 firearms homicides per 100,000, despite its burdensome gun control laws. I do not envy your people! Thank you for helping to clear up a common misconception about the United States.
Michael Willis in Edmonds, WA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:48 PM
The tragedy at Newtown, CT will weigh most heavily on those of us who cherish life. For others this event and others like it are simply an opportunity for political theater to advance their totalitarian agenda. We should bear in mind that the same thugs attempting to force us into giving up our rights are the same ones advancing an agenda that murders approximately 1,250,000 unborn each year.
Mike B in Tacoma, WA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:49 PM
When are we going to stop blaming tools for the terrible things that the mentally ill do. We label kids after the fact as "troubles kids". We need to treat these mentally disterbed kids before they take lives of innocent children. Is the cost of mental health meds or treatment that much more expensive then the cost of lives. We need to step up and get treatment for these disinfranchized kids.
Ed Watson in San Diego, CA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:50 PM
Another thought on the subject: We'll probably never see the day when we have enough armed and trained teachers or police in school to limit the number hurt or killed in schools or other places like movie theaters, but here is another approach that can be taken right now. It is legal, VERY cheap, requires virtually no training to use and is very effective. Wasp spray. A can costs less than $5.00 and will shoot a very narrow irritating silent spray 20 to 30 feet but is not lethal to bystanders, young or old, does not require a permit to buy or use like pepper spray or guns and is readily available. Self training is quick and easy as the unit is reusable numerous times.
Dressed in a granny doll dress or halloween costume can be unobtrusive yet still be effective or placed in the desk drawer, and also makes a good unit for home use against "unwanted guests". We have one at home. A word to all, it is a very effective tool" when the need arises. It won't stop a bullet, but can temporarily disarm an individual or two or more even if he/she is wearing a face mask and even a gas mask as the fumes will be very bothersome and will provide at least a few precious seconds for further action.
Can this be used at a school? I think so and should be relatively easy to get approved. After all it is "harmless".
A thought worth considering. Pass on if you agree.
782 Gear in Greenville, N.C.
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 8:16 PM
What a mind numbingly stupid idea! You're gonna pee on the face of an armed man? Do you recommend trying Pretty Please first? You must be a salesman for that wasp spray. Gimme a Bennelli Super M1-90 w/ extended mag, that'll remove his face.
Barb in Florida
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:50 PM
The Second Amendment
Look what has happened since Congress has tried to make changes to our 2nd Amendment. All these new laws have made crimes worse and worse.
Look at the tragedies. All of them have occurred in Gun Free Zones; leaving no one but the evil ones armed with guns and bombs in some cases to murder all the innocent ones. Gun Free Zones have got to go. They should be outlawed.
This whole country has gone mad, and the evil ones are the ones who get all the attention and study. They’re infamous, which is what they want. It will only get worse until you give back the American citizens their Constitutional rights to own and bear arms, period.
It should be mandatory for every sane adult to own and know how to use guns for everyone’s protection. The criminals just love all our stupid gun laws because they know that their victims are probably unarmed and make easy prey. They don’t dare try to commit violent acts in states where citizens are armed. It is a proven fact that where the gun laws are the strictest, the crimes are the highest, and where the gun laws require law abiding citizens to be armed, crime is negligible.
Someone actually suggested that we should have retired police at every school. How dumb is that. You need all the teachers and administrators armed to protect their charges. You probably wouldn’t even need metal detectors, because the criminals would stay away. Actually they’re cowards, you know.
You might also fight to bring God back into our Nation, because before He was kicked out of the public arena, we lived in a lot safer place.
Also, we could use more morals, and give families more rights to raise their own children. There is a lot of truth to the saying, “Spare the rod, and spoil the child.” I’m not talking about abuse. I’m talking about making one’s children responsible for all of their actions – good and bad. We need to get back to respect and compassion. We need to stop glorifying violence, and making games out of it to brainwash our children.
The Government focuses too much on the object that kills or hurts, and not enough on the evil person who uses the object.
I hope you’ll seriously consider my and many others concerns, especially with the upcoming UN treaty banning weapons in the US and overriding our Constitution. This is very dangerous for our country. For once we lose our right to defend ourselves; we become nothing but a Nation of Slaves for a Tyrannical Government.
Hamilton in IL
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 7:00 PM
Barb, Very well said. Many people are suggesting exactly what you're saying, that teachers and administrators - basically, just about all the adults in the school - should be armed and know how to use their arms. I heard on the radio, someone noteworthy (don't remember who the idiot was) saying that he can't believe that anyone would think of such an idea, that more guns in the school are going to make matters worse. But then what happened when that school opened up for the first day to resume classes? They had the school crawling with armed cops. But I guess the idiot was ok with that. The idiocy, hypocrisy, lack of common sense and logic, is stupifying.
CarolDeGraff in Sacramento, CA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:50 PM
did anyone see the liberal media's big announcement on how they paid many people for the guns they turned in.....?????? then the criminals take the money & go out & buy better guns.....duh!!!!!!!!!!! this is a tragedy that could have been averted by one person who knew how to handle a gun & was trained properly...........ur children have the secret service guns bama where is the protection for our children????????
MajorStu in IN
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:50 PM
Obama and the Navy Seals didn't kill bin Laden. Guns did. Remember that the next time Obama claims "I got bin Laden" I won't be impatiently waiting for Administration bureaucrats like AG Holder to lecture us about the morality of gun ownership after supplying automatic assault weapons to Mexican Drug lords, which have been used to kill hundreds in Mexico, as well as US Border Patrol Agent Brian Terry.
PK in SC
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:51 PM
Remember what Obama's former CoS said: Never let a crisis go to waste...you can bet they will play this for all it's worth. Common sense must prevail and the point has to be made that evil will find a way and therefore the best prevention is an armed and well trained citizenry. One armed and trained teacher could have stopped this, would have at least had a chance to stop it. Don't expect Obama to make that point.
Jim in Sterling
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:57 PM
Trying to understand the thinking of a crazy person is, well crazy. I think that Col.(ret.) Grossman has probably hit the nail on the head with these acts and why they occur, which is we allow our kids to feed on a culture of death and hate. Whether it is music or movies or video games or tv, violence is rampant and pervasive and parents don't exercise any control over their kids in that they don't provide a belief system of right or wrong and society tells kids to just do it. The illogical thinking (if you can call it that)of the liberals and the hopolphobes in the country is astounding. Pus the lack of historical knowledge behind the Constitution and The Bill of Rights is extremely troubling. This does not bode well for our freedoms.
Dale in Colorado Springs
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:57 PM
Since Roe v. Wade passed, we have had 100 Newton's EVERY single day with over 2500 innocents sacrificed on the altar of a woman's choice. Abortion is legal, but the act of abortion immoral. Similarly, gun ownership is legal, but the Newton shootings are immoral.
M Rick Timms, MD in Georgia
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:58 PM
Front Sight Firearms Training Institute has offered FREE 4day comprehensive concealed carry handgun training to any school in America. Up to 3 officials from each school -- this has been available for 4 years. Frontsight.com
This place trains 600 people EVERY weekend. It is professional and comprehensive. Background checks on everyone.
Let's stop these lunatics -- LOOK at the pictures of this guy and the Aurora shooting. The problem is obvious.
Michael Willis in Edmonds, WA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 1:58 PM
I, along with many others in this thread, will be very interested in the medical examiner's toxicology report on which, if any, drugs were found in Adam's system. It would not surprise me in the least to learn he was using PCP-laced marijuana. The use of this drug now seems rampant with many of its users committing horrific, violent crimes.
M Rick Timms, MD in Georgia
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:01 PM
Anybody see the story -- lost in the news of Sandy Hook -- that the shooter at the Mall in Portland last week was confronted by a 21 yo concealed carry permit gun owner who presented his weapon but did not fire because of people behind the shooter. But the shooter saw the CWP holder with his weapon and turned away, retreated and then killed himself. Think how many lives in this crowded mall were saved.
You will not see this story reported-- I wonder why?
Jim in Sterling
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:02 PM
Concerning the firearms and society, how does Feinstein propose to take mine? The AR platform rifle is most popular rifle being bought today and I doubt the owners like me will just give them up because some frumpy broad from the idiot land of CA. and President jughead says we must. Or maybe that is their idea for starting a civil war.
JtC in TX
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 9:34 AM
I believe they would LOVE to see a civil war -which would quickly turn into a race war. It would play right into The Obamanation's hands.
Dave S. in Knoxville, Tn
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:07 PM
ok, i've all the crap about needing gun control - blah, blah, blah...let me shock some folks back into reality about where America really is today - let's pretend you (Joe / Jane ordinary citizen) are back in time to last Friday and let's pretend you were at Sandy Hook Elementary school for some reason (pick one) and let's pretend you were in possession of a registered firearm for which you had a concealed carry permit "if" you were in position as the murderer of these innocent young children was about to begin his heinous assault and you had the "drop" on him and you pulled your weapon and blew this guy away before one of these kids was injured - you sir / or madam would be instantly made into the bad guy / girl because you denied him his constitutional rights to a fair trial by the msm, you would be prosecuted and have to fight for all you're worth to stay out of prison - lawyers and judges have changed the intent of the laws they protect the predators / villians and say "to hell with the victims".
KP in VA in Virginia
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:07 PM
I think the response of those who support the Second Amendment should be, "We will consider holding gun control discussions only after the Secret Service is eliminated (Government people no longer need any protection) and the use of any bodyguards paid for by taxpayer funds (this includes using salary money) is forbidden. Anyone Government personnel caught employing bodyguards will be fined at fifty-percent of their salary. Hollywood stars will be encouraged to dismiss their bodyguards to show good faith and trust in the Government's gun control policies." Let us see how many of our Government and civilian personalities are willing to talk further about gun control.
XCpt in the ether
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:08 PM
It seems there is a tendency to take a local incident and turn it into a national call for action. And an even greater tendency for national action to violate the freedom of citizens across the country. And an even greater tendency for political activism, or opportunism, where it isn't needed.
I am deeply saddened by the losses those families have endured, but that is no reason to even begin a conversation on the rights of American citizens to keep and bear arms. The conversation should be started on rethinking the policy that allows mentally unstable people to be members of the general populace.
Freedom requires a level of personal responsibility to behave, to be civil, to respect other people's rights that cannot be sustained by anyone that is not mentally competent. Don't point your fingers at the gun, point your fingers at the people that pushed the mentally challenged back out into society, in the name of fairness, and you will have correctly identified who is responsible for these tragic losses.
wjm in Colorado
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:13 PM
It is the liberals, whos policies Directly lead to this behavior, by those who should be institutionalized. There is nothing the marxists do that results in any success, Failure is the result of FORWARD.
Bob in Oxford,CT
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:08 PM
I live 10 miles from this location. Like you, we can't imagine the grief the families must feel. Our hearts are broken over this tragedy... we too have small children.
We feel deep sadness for the families, but at the same time, contempt towards the media for promoting the "cowards face" and name as frequently as they are. It's this kind of "advertisement" these animals want. The horrific fact is that more people like this are out there! Don't give the killer any recognition! Never mention their name, only the names of the innocent. We also can not believe the ignorance spewing from the "anti-gun crowd" and liberal politicians. "What do we need those guns for..." etc.
We know 911 does not save lives, but a gun in a few teacher's hands would have. The shooter killed 27 people before the Police arrived. This is not a slight on the Police, but it's reality. 911 takes time, and when a criminal threat is imminent, it's you and I who will first confront it. We don't appreciate the Government lying to us, for selling us false security. 911 does not stop attackers, bullets do! Sadly, they never tell the people this... so it leaves the people open to further attacks. The Government's solution is to further restict our rights because it fit's their agenda. I truly believe that the rich-crooked elitist ruining our nation don't care about us. "They" use travesties like this to further their twisted agenda while KNOWING it will do nothing to thwart stop future attacks. "No real solution" is addressed because they need travesties to push their agenda. The focus should be, not on the tool, but on the mindset of such a person. Address the fact that we live in a GODLESS society with sinking morals. WE fill our kid's heads with violent movies, games and music that glorifies death. "Entertainment" has made a generation of "potential time bombs"! I hear nothing mentioned of this by our elected elitist. Unfortunately, all I hear is talk about guns and how "the people should not have them". The problem is not our weapons, as they know, but it's the "ENTERTAINMENT" we fill our kids heads with. Who else other than a "manchurian-brainwashed-psyco" is capable of such an atrocity? I'd like to leave you with this quote: ”He who would trade liberty for some temporary security, deserves neither liberty nor security.” ...Ben Franklin
enemaofthestatistquo in Monroe, GA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:03 PM
Not only are the news media, constantly giving the assailant face time, but the Police hand-cuffed his brother when they questioned him. His brother should have been treated with empathy and respect, not suspicion.
enemaofthestatistquo in Monroe, GA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:11 PM
And the Head Elitist - repeatedly teels the young in our nation that the old fogies are to blame, the old are the problem- when he speaks to them at schools, the only place he can fill the hall and get an audience who have been indoctrinated with his progressivism, by a like minded education system. The elders, the teachers were the targets here - the children were just there- perhaps because they had spit Lanza out without the ability to make his own way, but only to be a dependent upon the progressive agenda.
djones in ohio
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:08 PM
I disagree strongly with you. I have not voted for the President and have not supported his legislative initiatives. However, I was very moved by his comments last night and on Friday. I think it is past time for this nation to have as meaningful discussion on gun control. I don 't think the writers of the Constiution meant for us to be armed with military and paramilitary weapons nor carry them on the streets or into schools or bars. I am sick and tired of the pro gun lobby and think it is time to reign them in. A rifle for hunting in ones home is fine and perhaps a small handgun--that is all, in my book.
wjm in Colorado
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:22 PM
That is your choice, to have or have not a weapon, it is not your choice, to legislate your vision in violation of the second amendment. It is useful idiots who try to legislate their opinions over the rule of law, unalienable rights that no man can take away. Folks like you legislate only tyranny. I am sick of your ilk.
Merry Colin in Cave Creek, AZ
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:36 PM
John Q. Public is not able to own "assault" weapons which are fully automatic. A rifle is a rifle. Although one with a polished wooden stock may calm your fears it is no different than the stripped down AR-15. Know what you are talking about before you blabber on "removing all doubt".
MNIce in Minnesota
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:45 PM
Once upon a time, when attacks by disgruntled indians were commonplace, in some states (including Massachusetts), adult males were required by law to carry combat-ready firearms in public. These laws were effective in deterring such violence.
I refer you to Tienanmen Square, 1987, and Hungary, 1956. Please explain to me how you stop a tyrant armed with tanks using only a hunting rifle and a small handgun, if anything.
Hamilton in IL
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 10:52 PM
djones,
You said that you didn't think the Founders meant for us to be "armed with military and paramilitary weapons". So do you mean that we were meant to stay with single-shot flintlocks? Don't you think the Founders would have intended, that as technology advanced to bring about better weapons, that the People would have them?
The armed citizen is the foundation of freedom. Citizen Foot Soldiers secured our freedom during the Revolutionary war. The Founders meant us to be armed in the same manner as a foot soldier. There was no other logical standard as the Constitution was crafted so soon after the war. By that standard, comparing the modern day foot soldier's armament with what the citizen can get, we are under-armed, despite your complaints.
You ignorance on this topic is very enlightening. In the Founders' time, people carried guns everywhere, that is, if they could afford a gun. So you're just flat out wrong about that. The second amendment was ratified in 1791. It took Liberals like you, 143 years to scare congress into passing the first federal gun control law in 1934. Al Capone and all those hoodlums had a lot to do with it too. Law enforcement was catching them but the justice system wasn't holding them well enough. The age of Liberalism in America was beginning.
If you want to limit the amount of guns people should be able to have, or the type of guns, or when and where they can have them, then it follows that your rights to free speech could and should be accordingly truncated. And who are you willing to let be the arbiter of what you can say, when and where you can say it, and about what or whom you can say it? Isn't that type of tyranny commonly found in dictatorships and communist regimes? Is that what you're defending?
Holly Lanier in 264 Bell Rd,Dallas Ga 30157
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:10 PM
I watched the interview with the school nurse and she was hiding under a desk and could see his legs but there was nothing she could do maybe if she had of been armed and trained of course in firearm safety he could of been stopped .if you take the guns away from the good then only the bad will have them.We all need to keep firearms in a good secure place.I thank that the medicines that he was taking should be looked into.We need to put the Ten Commandments in all of the schools and that there is a Hell and Thou Shalt not kill and that you answer for the deeds you do here on earth and in the life to come that you will be judged by a just God .We need the word of God brought back to the schools and in the homes to teach right from wrong.This truly is very sad time for all involved our prayers and no just how much Jesus loves you ,he is a very present help in time of trouble.
S. Voltz in San Francisco
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:14 PM
I was once in favor of gun control and a pacifist. Then began to realize human nature was NOT going to change. The gun control we now need is gun training and good self defense training to effectively defend ourselves and others. Why should we be pleased to act passively and agree to the taking of guns away from good citizens---Most of us are not cowards--Let's get mad and ACT to DEFEND-- Learn effective ways to do so and require school personnel to be so trained! (This should apply to all able bodied citizens who want such training and if so trained, should be able to do so on airplanes and other transport too.) Let's NOT disarm defenders!
djones in ohio
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:15 PM
I disagree strongly with you. I have not voted for the President and have not supported his legislative initiatives. However, I was very moved by his comments last night and on Friday. I think it is past time for this nation to have as meaningful discussion on gun control. I don 't think the writers of the Constiution meant for us to be armed with military and paramilitary weapons nor carry them on the streets or into schools or bars. I am sick and tired of the pro gun lobby and think it is time to reign them in. A rifle for hunting in ones home is fine and perhaps a small handgun--that is all, in my book.
Dave S. in Knoxville, Tn
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:40 PM
then thats all YOU should own, don't tell me what i can own
R.K. sprau in L.C. N.M.
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 8:11 PM
Then I will. Do you have any use for an assault weapon, high capacity clips or APR/s? Bambie does not wear body armor and for any civilian to own APR that will slice up a policeman body armor, out outgun him, this is where the crap has to end.What are you so terrified of besides your own shadow and the conspiracy sights
Merry Colin in Cave Creek, AZ
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:38 PM
You were "moved" by that phont POS? Where are your brains? As I said earlier, John Q. Public is not able to own "assault" weapons which are fully automatic. A rifle is a rifle. Although one with a polished wooden stock may calm your fears it is no different than the stripped down AR-15. Know what you are talking about before you blabber on "removing all doubt".
Ruble Jones in Green Bay, WI
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:17 PM
Friday morning, a great tragedy occurred. Then, for the last 96 hours, we have been repeatedly forced to relive that tragedy by the "news media." While the people may have the RIGHT to know all the gory details, do they really have the NEED to know?? I think responsible journalists would consider the trauma THEY are inflicting on our children with their constant rehashing and second-guessing of details and motives. A five-minute report during the daily news program would be more than sufficient to update people, AND provide a viable method of screening young children from the horror and trauma that they are having forced upon them by the current action of the "news media."
Frank95054 in Monterey, California
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:18 PM
The man came to the school with a mission to kill children. The doors were locked, so he broke in. Because of Progressive Democratic policies, no one inside the school had a weapon to defend the poor little children. So, who is at fault for this horrific tragedy? Was it the deranged gunman, or the policies that lead to the death of so many precious children? BOTH are equally to blame, and thats what this debate should be about. Its about mental illness. Its about ludicrous Left Wing policies that result in the most vulnerable of our society becoming martyrs for fallible political positions.
R. K. Smith in Centre, Al.
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:18 PM
Don;t need to add anything to the above two paragraphs except, there is no circumstance in which Obama cannot use to make everyone think he has any concern for anyone or anything but an opportunity to promote Obama, if there is anyone who thinks otherwise, they need to lay off the coolaid.
Chris in Midland, TX
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:21 PM
Was Columbine an event to be forgotten? This is a sad day in American history. The implications are as sad as the event. This was a mother that knowingly trained a mentally handicapped child to wield a deadly weapon and reaped the ultimate result. The locals knew the facts but never once called the police or questioned this as an appropriate action. Ultimately, six adults and twenty children died at the hands of a mass murderer in a senseless slaying. We are only beginning to review the facts concerning the weapons used in this crime and their ownership. They were legally purchased by a perfectly creditable citizen. No laws were broken in the accumulation by the woman. Laws were in place to make sure that the rules were complied with. Guns do not kill people by simply being guns just as cars do no crash into other cars just by simply being cars. Evil people with evil motives commit evil crimes. Cars crash into other cars with people behind the wheel controlling their movement. The difference is the intent of the user. The sad fact is that there are more people are killed in automobile accidents per year than are people killed by weapons in murders. People do not get behind the wheel normally to go out and commit a murder. Another sad fact is that most murders are committed by people with the intent of that to happen whereas most gun owners never have fired a weapon at another person with the intent of harming them. I fear that there is more to the sad and senseless crimes recently committed by weapons in schools and places where large numbers of people meet than we are led to understand. Is there another "Manchurian Candidate" event happening here to force a referendum on gun control and ultimately a seizure of weapons from us under the majority of biased and politically motivated opinion? Is our government behind it? If you believe that our government is altruistic, you are living in a fairytale. The second amendment was not placed into the Constitution in order to guarantee that Americans would have the right to have a gun to go out hunting for "Bambi." It gave the Americans the ability to defend themselves from a dictatorial and tyrannical governing power. Fear the government that fears your guns. I foresee a gun grab in the making, and I curse those who would hurt innocents to achieve their goal. From my dead hands they will pry my weapon of defense.
enemaofthestatistquo in Monroe, GA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:52 PM
I am reminded of the movie "Telefon" starring Charles Bronson, Lee Remick, & Donald Pleasance.
enemaofthestatistquo in Monroe, GA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:54 PM
Come to think of "Telefon", I don't think it has been on TV for many, many years. Could it be that some entity does not want US thinking of brainwashed assassins.
Greg Jackson in Houston, TX
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:27 PM
The best way to avoid being powerless in the face of carnage is to equip principals and other school staff with handguns and provide them open-carry training.
enemaofthestatistquo in Monroe, GA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:28 PM
But, WE must do it- Camo Control, no ban Camo- for the childre who survive the Abortion mills.
Frederick Pechin in Warrenton, Va.
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:29 PM
If Pharoah develops this into gun banning then he is sicker than I thought.
Bernard P. Giroux in Fall River, MA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:31 PM
The federal government, in its great wisdom, prohibited the sale of alcohol in the United States between 1920 and 1933. How did that work out? Connecticut has very strict firearms licensing rules. You cannot stop someone from stealing a weapon, if he is determined to obtain one. You cannot legislate morality. You cannot legislate common sense. You cannot legislate ethics and logic. You cannot prevent a determined psychopath from achieving his ends, unless you lock him up, or shoot him on sight if he is threatening lethal harm. It's not the guns. It's the people, the humans behind the firearms. This is not perfection on earth. This is not Utopia as the Democrats would have us believe. Gun control is not the answer.
Merry Colin in Cave Creek, AZ
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:41 PM
Agree...another case. Deaths from heroin and meth are numerous so let's ban them as well! Oh yeah, they are illegal already---how's that workin' for all the libtards?
Dave Mather in troy,MI
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:31 PM
Everyone would agree that this is a tragic problem. One that should send chills through everyone. This problem unfortunately isn't about gun control, but the crazies that get them. Unless guns are built with intelligence to not shoot when a crazy person has a gun, then this problem is unavoidable. Noone saw it coming, evidently there were no warning signs. This is indeed a very tragic incident. Noone can call it an accident because it wasn't. A crazy guy got a bunch of legal weapons and went nuts. I don't know how anyone could have helped stop it except for his brother that evidently knew a lot before it happened and hopefully is held accountable. This gets me very angry knowing how devestating guns can be. Fortunately, I have a few guns which are only used for hunting and have never experienced anything like this.
jksisco in irvine, ca
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:32 PM
I dislike and have little respect for Obama, he just seems a deceitful, headline grabbing egotist of the first order. His speech yesterday was callous and ill-timed, but, as always with an agenda in mind. The parents and people of that Conneticut city were just props so Obama can do what he loves to do, lecture.
I respectfully watched for the first ten minutes or so, until I could no longer listen as it was obvious where his speech was headed, opportunity and crisis is all this usurper needs.
enemaofthestatistquo in Monroe, GA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:32 PM
Seriously, perhaps level one and every sequential 5th level on any gunfire computer game should be a safety & accuracy simulation of a gun safety and and accuracy training on a firing line with virtual law-abiding human beings, who will Not resemble any of the baddies of the game.
D. E. Sestrich in onroeville, PA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:33 PM
Until society wakes uo to the fact that the most common denometer in these tragedies is a mentally unbalanced, usually white maleand not the weapon, we will continue to have them. Decades ago, the medical profession decided with its ineffable wiscom, that mental hospitals, with their attendant expenses were no longer necessary, since the paychosis could be controlled with drugs, and released patients en masse. The results are that the most harmless are homeless and living under bridges. The most dangerous psychotics are also onthe streets despite the fact that they have given off ample warning. When murders invariable occur, there is mass hysteria against "assault" weapons, ignoring the fact that if guns were not available, the weapon of choice would be a fertilizer bomb, anthrax, or any other means at hand.
Ellen in Washington
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:34 PM
Do you suppose that there would have been less deaths at the school if there had been even one of the school staff that had a weapon? Schools should require all of their staff to certify for a concealed weapons permit. Then they should allow their staff to choose whether they want to carry a concealed weapon or not. Then they should post visible signs on all school property stating that the staff is "armed and dangerous". Perhaps criminals will think twice before entering a school.
Calvin Howell in Jacksonville
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:35 PM
It is a shame that the focus of the media is on the guns and not the person who committed the violence. A whisper of his troubled mind and existence seeped through the news media filters when the acrocity first occurred. The shameful secret of American families who are shackled with a mentally ill family member will once again be hidden from public view. A dear friend of mine has an adult son (now in his sixty's) who was spat from the mental health care system in the seventy's when congress passed a law which basically said the mentally ill have equal rights with the fully functioning citizens of the world. Her life has been hell ever since. She has spent the last forty plus years in and out of the emergency room after he beat her or spending time in front of a judge trying to bail him out of jail and looking for some one to help him. I suspect the mother of school shooter Adam Lanz may have had a similar problem getting the help Adam needed. Calvin Howell
John A. Harger in Litchfield Park, AZ
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:36 PM
BHO is a sociopathic opportunist
Jack Sheehan in Harwinton, Connecticut
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:38 PM
I am not now, and never have been a "gun control advocate." I will, however, be most disappointed if a law is not in process or in effect by the end of this day to ban public possession of all automatic or semi-automatic weapons. Their existence on the open market serves no purpose, and we have all seen the tragic damage that they can cause. It's not a hunting weapon, or even a target shooting weapon. Automatic weapons are military weapons, and designed to deliver massive firepower.
In Newtown the weapons involved are entirely legal. “Guns don't kill people" no longer applies. Tell that to the family members of those who were horribly murdered this past Friday. And yes, it takes a demented person to visit such violence on others. We are discovering that we have too many of them in our society, and access to weapons is much too easy.
I don’t see this as a real solution, but I think it is a sensible start. We see how ineffective existing laws really are, and we will never have total control of the mental status of the entire population. I just don’t want it to be too easy for some twisted whacko to have access to the tools to commit another atrocity. I experienced the use of similar weapons in Korea, and I just learned that these weapons can be put to uses even more horrible than I imagined.
wjm in Colorado
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:34 PM
You are a deluded fool. It matters not the weapon, but the individual who wielded it. Many do hunt with these weapons, and they are quite useful for home defense. If the principal had one, they could have fought back. It is not the weapon, get a clue. Millions of Americans didn't go out and commit crimes, but crimes and murders occured where the armed were not present. Access to weapons Should be easy, this type of crime always happens where the opposite is true.
Merry Colin in Cave Creek, AZ
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:53 PM
Jack--You are an idiot. Military or "assault" rifles are fully automatic which means one pull on the trigger releases a hail of bullets, one right after the other, until you remove your finger or the weapon is empty. John Q. Public cannot own or purchase these. It requires a federal license.
A semi-automatic weapon requires successive pulls on the trigger for each bullet to be fired. Most hunters need and should have that feature to effectively kill the prey without needless suffering. A police officer, or John Q. Public, needs that same security because the first shot in a deadly situation under extreme stress may not hit it's mark. As a matter of fact, most police departments today will not allow officers to carry revolvers as their main service weapon. Now that you may have learned SOMETHING about modern weapons, you ought to hang your head in shame for your stupid comment. You have successfully "...removed all doubt". People who know nothing about weapons ought to shut the hell up!
Infidel in Missouri
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 5:16 PM
I also disagree with Jack's comments. I believe that it is, more times than not, the fear and ignorance (as in uneducated or ill-informed) that drive comments such as Jack's. I was fearful and ignorant of firearms for a long time. Now, instead of fear and ignorance, I have a healthy dose of respect and wisdom about firearms - respect in that, yes, they can be extremely dangerous. That danger is mitigated by training, careful handling and experience (which I now possess).
Being a proud owner of several firearms, I do believe that we should have a discussion around the ability to obtain firearms without any sort of background check. Yes, this might mean some changes at gun shows, flea markets and "private" law-abiding transactions. Or, maybe not. It is worth discussing. Other than that, there should be no further discussion with regard to the ownership of firearms. Since the Second Amendment was set in place specifically to guard against tyranny, it only makes sense that responsible, law-abiding gun owners have access to the semi-automatic versions of what our military has. God forbid the day should ever come for true Patriots to revolt, but having a platform that will shoot the same caliber as those opposing you is certainly a good form of "check and balance".
Hamilton in IL
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 11:09 PM
Infidel,
The below is excerpted and modified from one of my previous posts...
The armed citizen is the foundation of freedom. Citizen Foot Soldiers secured our freedom during the Revolutionary war. The Founders meant us to be armed in the same manner as a foot soldier. There was no other logical standard as the Constitution was crafted so soon after the war. By that standard, comparing the modern day foot soldier's armament with what the citizen can get, we are chronically under-armed. I don't buy the notion that American citizens should only be "allowed" scaled-down versions of what our military foot soldiers carry. I believe this echos the sentiment in your last sentence.
If Liberals want to limit the amount of guns people should be able to have, or the type of guns, or when and where they can have them, then it follows that their rights to free speech could and should be accordingly truncated. And who will the Liberals be willing to let be the arbiter of what they can say, when and where they can say it, and about what or whom they can say it? Isn't that type of tyranny commonly found in dictatorships and communist regimes? Is that what Liberals are defending?
R.K. sprau in L.C. N.M.
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 8:15 PM
Stay in Cave creek, (Nice town, expensive but nice) I went to a gun show a few months ago and guess what I could buy w/o a license? A conversion kit. they are a military weapons with 2 springs and a lever removed. They are legal to buy OTC.
Merry Colin in Cave Creek, AZ
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 10:24 AM
As long as the people aren't like you RK I will stay. Too much freedom in AZ for you?
I believe you might be referring to a bump fire device which is NOT a weapon and is approved by the ATF. I have no intention of educating you.
bud in leander
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:38 PM
Whether 2 victims or 32, each of these previous events eventually stopped, usually by the perpetrator, like this one. I have never seen in the ensuing investigations what caused the change in attitude from murder to suicide. Was it because they recognized their eventual fate (at the hands of the second gun on the scene) or what was left of their conscience upon realizing what they had wrought. Anyway, a place to start looking for answers on how to stop this in the future. I know, dead men cant tell, but we make other educated guesses on this stuff as well.
enemaofthestatistquo in Monroe, GA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:39 PM
When Columbine happened and I was watching the news reports, I had the eery feeling of deja vu, it turns out the school had been featured a couple years earlier on national TV news about a controversial experimental typical Liberal moral relativistic teaching program. One in which the Shootists were probably subjected to.
Dick Johnson in Mechanicsburg, PA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:42 PM
Have you noticed the different manner in which the president and the media are handling this mass murder at the school from the way they handled the situation then and now when Army psychiatrist Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, killed 12 and wounded over 30 others on the Fort Hood, Texas Army base. We were told we should go slow on judging the poor major bdecause he may have had valid reasons for what he did. It wasn’t a gun problem. Those darn soldiers were just in the way when Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan felt a need to protest. Now "These tragedies must end." accoding to the same president.
JtC in TX
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:42 PM
Arm the teachers? Most of them are doing The Obamanation's bidding brain-washing our children. Guns are evil to them and they would refuse to carry one.
Henry Bowman in Fernley, NV
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:43 PM
In the days following the Connecticut school shooting, almost every argument has been made that can be made in favor of more, not less, firearms in the hands of every day, law-abiding citizens. But there is one argument that I've not heard made as yet, and it is simply this: Dear Lord, please guide the thought processes of the warm and fuzzy, the Coom-bye-ya singing, squishy do-gooder adults of this nation who have so far proven themselves incapable of being able to grasp simple argument, regardless of how logical the argument maybe. Help them, Lord, to be able to project themselves into a situation so that they can see how a reasonable, logical, and sane person would react to a life-or-death situation. Help them see that owning a firearm is no different than owning a fire extinguisher against the day when they awaken in the middle of the night and smell smoke. Let them realize that we don't buy the fire extinguisher because we EXPECT to have a fire while we are asleep in our beds, or under the hood of our cars while out running erands or just enjoying a ride in the country (for those who can still aford such leisure time activities). We buy the extinguisher because we MIGHT have a fire under such circumstances, and haveing it and not needing it is far better than needing it and not having it.
I am not Jewish, but I have been told by a jewish friend that in the Talmud there is a passage that advises that if you know someone is coming in the night to kill you, you should rise up from your bed and kill them first. Perhaps a Rabbi can advise on this passage. The fact that the Jewish people are among the most logical and erudite on Earth, and have a reverence for learning exceeding most other people, I would expect that such a passage is true in some form or other. Should this prove untrue, then a few lines from C.S.Lewis might serve:
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It may be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
SAnn in Arizona
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:43 PM
Thank you for the article on 'The Blood of Innocents'. I thank you for the reminder that we seem to forget about the law enforcement and medical emergency teams that are there to see these very young lives (babies actually) lost. What a horror for these people to see and to live with the rest of their lives.
Gerry C. in New Bern, NC
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:46 PM
http://www.naturalnews.com/038364NewtownHungerGamesdoomsday_preppers.html
Douglas A Howden in Vancouver, WA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:48 PM
Gun control is not the answer. It would probably make the problem worse.
The root cause is our decaying society and family unit erodes the underpinning of our nation's moral fiber and guidance.
The causes of this are many and I would not know where to start.
Peter K. McCagg in Fort Myers, Fl. 33966
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:52 PM
I am a huge supporter of the 2nd Amendment! However all rapid fire automatic weapons were built & designed to kill people. Nobody outside of the Military should be allowed to possess one! No true hunter needs one. No home owner needs one. Ban them, and make offenders do some years in jail. It might not prevent another Newtown massacre, but there would be a lot fewer casualties.
wjm in Colorado
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:42 PM
Automatic weapons are already banned. You cannot be a supporter of the second amendment and then try to qualify it to fit your idea of what a weapon is. It is the right to arms period. If you don't want a semi auto weapon, don't buy one, but don't tell me I can't have one. Take your ban and your anti contstitutional BS and shove it commrade.
Deputy068 in Rochester, NY
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:03 PM
First of all, the laws on the books ban full auto weapons from civilian ownership (except for the rare individual that files for and receives a Class 3 FFL). None of the weapons used in any of the recent mass shootings were 'assault weapons" (defined as a weapon which is able to switch between semi and full automatic fire). Gun laws have historically proven to be not effective in containing violent behavior. Why do so many want to go down this road again? If you want to contain these individuals, how about enforcing the laws already on the books? As a LEO, I have seen some of the most outrageous judgments from courts allowing suspects who should have been convicted of illegal gun possession to plead to lesser offenses and avoid justice. This makes me sick of the system I have sworn to uphold. Bring these people to justice!
Merry Colin in Cave Creek, AZ
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:08 PM
Peter---you are no supporter of the second amendment! "Rapid fire/automatic" weapons cannot be owned by John Q. Public! Automatic weapons are machine guns! NEITHER were used in this incident you dolt.
SEMI-automatic weapons are as common as flies. In fact, most police departments do not allow their officers to use revolvers anymore and require SEMI-AUTOMATIC weapons with MAGAZINES (not clips for the buttheads out there). Why? Because the first shot may not hit the intended target in a life or death situation. It is semi-automatic because you must pull the trigger each time to fire a bullet. An "assualt" rifle IS NOT an AR-15 or an AK-47. They are semi-automatics as well. The hunter appreciates this as well as their injured prey! Now that you may have learned something, shut up about which you know nothing!
R.K. sprau in L.C. N.M.
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 8:16 PM
Name calling shows IQ.
DockyWocky in Wheeling, WV
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:52 PM
What the Newtown massacre proved beyond a shadow of doubt that all teachers should be required to be put through a course of handgun training and use. Charged with protection of our nation's future assets, the time for avoiding the unpleasant facts is over. If they cannot cut the handgun course, maybe they can go work in politics - where the disarming the public idealistic hacks reign supreme.
Charles S Asmar in Chevy Chase MD.
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 2:56 PM
I feel that in addition to a secure lock down procedure perhaps armed security guards should be on duty at the schools when they are in session.I realize that the guard employment may be cost prohibtive in so far as the state school budget is concerned however the local cities may be able to cover this added expense.
Paul in Oakland, CA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:00 PM
I am very upset by the horrific acts of a sociopathic coward. May the victims rest in peace. The Israelis had a problem with terrorists attacking their schools. They chose to arm the teachers and that problem seems to have gone away. I recognize a number of problems with applying this program to our system. I am not convinced that would be our answer, but increasing gun control has only led to increasing events of senseless violence. It is interesting to note that this psycopath chose to kill himself when police arrived. Having a number of armed teachers and administrators in every school could alter the balance quickly. Increasing gun control has only led to unarmed victims! This is a multi layered, complicated problem. I agree with the President that this cannot continue. I suspect I will strongly disagree with any solution he proposes.
Juan B Castro in San Antonio
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:01 PM
Thank God we will never get enough information on the organization brainwashing these children to commit these crimes so that our nemesis can enact it's most crutial need to take over our country. That being gun control of the masses. Why don't we arm the teachers as Israel does to fight against their muslim adversaries? Now that is protecting the children! In fact a school in Texas has already passed a directive that their teachers and administrative personnel with be licensed and duely trained, now that is extreme intelligence and affirmative action!
Ed in Boulder City
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:03 PM
Obama Magazine, formerly Time, wrote a couple of leftist whoppers in their orgiastic post-election issue of Nov. 19th: 1) "Trayvon Martin was shot and killed by neighborhood-watch coordinator George Zimmerman after he observed the unarmed African-American teen's 'suspicious' behavior." No, he shot him after Martin attacked him. 2) "[Hillary Clinton's] sure-footed performance as the U.S.'s top diplomat..." Yeah, after she admits responsibility for Benghazi the magazine calls her performance "sure-footed." For the Leftmedia, Benghazi never happened. Move along, please.
Ron Evartt in Ok
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:04 PM
As In The Days Of Noah
The world in great spiritual need We must bow down, cry, and plead
Turn from the world of greed and hate Kneel, fall on your face, before it's too late
Your depression and anguish builds like a storm Find God's Truth, Love, and conform
Ruler of this world wanting to take you down Fallen from heaven to steal your crown
His name is Lucifer, god of this earth He offers temporal things, and it's all dearth
He might offer you fame and wealth Material things, not eternal health
Look at all your possessions in life Only to cause spiritual blindness and strife
Maybe you're poor, and steal to get ahead Then you're still spiritually dead
God's laws are morally and socially just Civil liberty groups destroying to God's disgust
Their goal is to be set free from God's commands To live immoral, promoting sinful demands
Our government writing laws of sin No fear of God or hell within
A president claiming to be a Christian Denying God's Truth by numerous admissions
Pray for Israel, our government has turned their back God of Abraham is who they attack
Any name but Jesus is politically correct Now a nation that accepts any heretical sect
By no other name but Jesus can anyone be saved Where on Judgment Day will your road be paved
By Ron Evartt
Pete G in MS
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:05 PM
Obama says "We're going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics."
Does that mean he is going to buck the ACLU and work on getting psychopaths off of our streets ? I'm not going to hold my breath waiting for that to happen.
Ron Evartt in Ok
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:07 PM
Godless Societies Experience Godless Acts
Godless societies experience Godless acts Take God out and the Devil attacks
Morals and ethics came from God’s Word Commandments and laws of which you’ve heard
Now children at schools gunmen have killed But abortion much greater blood is spilled
Schools, hundreds of lives killed from guns Doctor’s offices, millions from abortion blood runs
Abortion legal to kill an innocent child That decade the Bible was removed, and reviled
When did America start to change for the worse In the 1960’s when people became so perverse
Can’t arm an unborn with a gun The child would be charged with murder one
Government and society have become severely sick Time to get back to the Bible, “really quick”
Liberal logic is really pathologic Conservative views, now just nostalgic
Good is bad, bad is good No wonder our Constitution is misunderstood
What happened to our Bill of Rights It should be changed to the Bill of Plights
Our country has run amuck Judgment from God is where we’re stuck
By Ron Evartt
gjbare in Texas
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:14 PM
I am so glad that they have not thought about taking cars off the road, or hands that strangle to death or knives that rip your heart or throat. It makes no sense at all that political power grabbers are always after guns. The socialist/marxist are always after your second amendment. Why is it they do not think abortion kills little babies??? In their thinking should they not realize that the babies grow up to be little children when they are not killed in their mothers womb.
Jiggs in Millen, GA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:26 PM
This was assuredly a horrendous tragedy, but before I go there, let me say that in Sunday's paper it was reported that the rifle used in this shoot-em-up was the same as the one the Washington sniper used. Now, I ask you, how relevant is that? Yes, we need a serious dialogue in America about these tragedies, but guns are, of themselves, not the culprits. Guns, of themselves, don't kill people, but rather it's the disturbed, unbalanced people with other agendas and have guns that do. I agree that no one needs to go deer hunting with an AK 47, but there are lots of other ways to kill besides guns. Are we going to ban SUVs from our highways because they kill people? I think not. Instead of loosing all the anti-gun folks among us, let's take a long, hard look at what's behind the violence in the first place. What causes people to go to elementary schools and kill children? After the fact, there were plenty of signs that surfaced that this Lanza person had problems, but did anyone reach out to try to help him deal with his demons? No. Why not? There were plenty of signs that those two social misfits had big plans for Columbine, but did anyone intervene? No. Why not? Why is it that in America, we always wait until after the horse is stolen before we shut the barn door? Also, once the damage is done, we then have to explore every gory detail to try to find a motive. Oh, yes, and our illustrious media play such a horror for all it's worth. I watch them ask the same state police officer the same questions over and over again. What, they didn't hear his answer the first time? We need to be more pro-active and find the possible motives BEFORE the event rather then after. Why don't we do that? Many will say we don't want to get involved. Get involved? My God, you are all over Facebook and twitter all the time, how much more involved will you be? These social misfits with their personal agendas are out there and among us all the time, and we don't want to get involved? How many more Newtowns will it take to get us involved? Banning guns will solve nothing, just like it solved nothing in Sweden. They can always fill a rental truck with sodium nitrate and blow up a building full of people. So let's pray for the souls of the dead children and reach out and comfort their families, and think outside the gunbox when we try to solve this malaise.
greg d in colorado springs
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:26 PM
My heart is torn over the loss of life in this small town.There are no words to cover the depth of hurt ! I think we need to at least bury these people with respect before we get back up on our soap box.Claiming our president is a monster who only wants to move his adgenda forward. Please just back off and lets pray for the families and our nation as we grieve.Let it go for a while !! Then maybe lets work on how to stop mentally disabled folks from getting guns.Teaching families the signs of a disorder and getting a healthcare system in place to allow these people to get the medical help they need. Push teaching gun owners to keep their guns in safes so kids and the sick cant get to them so easily,or do something else as a deterant to people getting ahold of guns that arent authorized to have access to them.
Michael Fontes in West Tisbury, MA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:30 PM
In my recollection, the first reaction by media observers to this atrocity was not one of either sadness, shock, or even fear, but rather there seemed to be a twisted, perverted sense of excitement that appeared almost gleeful in a most sickening way. It was as if the murdered innocent victims were nothing but props which would now be useful in advancing an agenda, which the media wasted no time in advancing. At one time mentally ill persons were institutionalized if they were deemed a threat to either themselves or others, but, in the last thirty-five years, it has become extremely difficult to institutionalize anyone unless they are proven to be imminently dangerous, and, as this horrible incident points out, when they actually do prove themselves dangerous, it is often far too late.
gerrywaz in PA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:33 PM
The shooter may have been evil, but he may have had neurological disabilities. That's for God to judge.
Re: the tragic loss of those 20 children, but NOT about the nearly 5 million babies aborted since he took office, Obama said "Can we say that we're truly doing enough to give all the children of this country the chance they deserve to live out their lives in happiness and with purpose? If we're honest with ourselves, the answer is no. And we will have to change. What choice do we have? Are we really prepared to say that we're powerless in the face of such carnage, that the politics are too hard? Are we prepared to say that such violence visited on our children year after year after year is somehow the price of our freedom?"
Surely, there is something wrong here. God save us all.
Dr. Donald Moon in Kettering, Ohio
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:34 PM
I am deeply offended that the president would use the death of innocents as political propaganda to attack the second amendment of the constitution and our freedom to bear arms and defend our freedoms. An intelligent evaluation of the multiple possible reasons for such tragedies as that which recently occurred in Connecticut is certainly in order, rather than a knee jerk reaction by those such as Dianne Feinstein and other anti gun zealots.
MAJ USA Ret in St Louis
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:35 PM
When will we learn? When will we acknowledge that life without eternity is empty of purpose beyond the moment? Nihilism is the ultimate degradation of mankind irrevocably leading to debauchery and chaos. It justifies the murder of innocent 6 year olds as easily as the murder of the unborn, the handicapped, the old, infirmed, unwanted, unproductive, weaker, less popular.
The irrational and impulsive reaction to create more laws believing they can prevent these tragedies are insanity on the level of the moron who keeps hitting his head into the wall because it feels good when he stops. If not guns, it is diesel fuel soaked fertilizer and a common blasting cap in the back of a pick-up truck outside the federal building with children in the day care. The sociopath intent on mass killing is also extraordinarily ingenious and innovative.
Liberals, progressives, gun control advocates, consider this. Could the fact of the murder of over 50 million babies since 1973 in the USA have anything to do with this kind of violence becoming too common? How about the promulgation of the insane justification the mother's right to choice is more important than the baby's right to life? How about the shocking omission of anything respecting God in the Democrat Pary platform without the forcible inclusion by pragmatic Democrat leaders? How about the shocking omission of God, prayer, and the Bible in our public schools? How about the refusal to defend marriage, family, and children as vital sacred entities worthy of protection and preservation by society and its governing institutions and must never be degraded to the level of sodomy?
Those who defend women's right to choice over the unalienable right to life, degradation of marriage in favor of sodomy, elimination of our Creator and God in government and in our public education should not be surprised when these tragedies occur. Instread, they should repent of the blood they wrought!
Re: Why? (the cartoon of Uncle Sam holding the lifeless body of the child). The answer is that evil prevails when good men do nothing. (apologies Edmond Burke..
RObert John in Lebanon, PA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:38 PM
The Christian Science Monitor recently worte an article arguing that the 2nd Amendment was definitely a period neccesity, but is no longer needed in contemporary times.
They argued, erroneously I believe, that the arms we possess as protected by the constitution can not longer be effectively used for an armed rebellion against a despotic government because armed citizens couldn't win.
I obviously disagree strongly with Peter Grier's assertions. The 2nd Amendment is just as applicable and useful today as it was over 200 years ago.
In fact, I believe it is more important today than in the past with the progressive left-wingers attempting to limit our freedoms and rights at every turn.
Robert John in Lebanon, PA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:49 PM
Christian Science Monitor Article:
http://news.yahoo.com/elementary-school-shooting-gun-control-laws-might-us-231233589.html
Anyone here agree with Peter Grier?
Bob in Mesa, AZ
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:20 PM
"Armed citizens couldn't win"? Tell that to Asad in Syria.
Jiggs in Millen, GA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:40 PM
I have no use for anyone, any politician, who uses an event such as Newtown to further their political agenda. Yes, I am referring to Obama, Nadler, Schumer, Bloomburg, Feinstein, Durbin, and all the rest of the "sob sisters." Obama and Durbin should know better since they are from Chicago, "the drive-by shooting capital of the world." And, if you need more evidence about Chicago's problems, you don't have to drive by, you can just get them via hit and run. I have a nice pile of stones available for any of these so-called righteous folks if they need them.
greg d in colorado springs
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:40 PM
interesting comments on teachers with guns! I doubt that the liberal school systems would go for that at all, maybe a private school. I think scanners and bullet proof entry glass cameras and armed security officers should be mandated in allour public school systems. There is one thing the Goverment can pay for !!! to help protect our kids !!
Greasemaker in Stillwater Mn.
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:43 PM
How many Gun laws were broken in this last shootings? Need new laws I think not but instead get some guns in the hands of the Teachers (Those who know how to use them.) Theaters and schools both have a NO GUN BAND does that ring a bell! (Shotguns and double O buck would be the best.)
Maria Kain in Ulman
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:48 PM
All teachers, in every school and college, should be required to carry a gun and know how to use it in order to protect themselves and the students in their care. Once a year teachers should have to attend a course to keep them confident in using the gun they are carrying. A loaded gun. And every school should be required to ask the NRA to bring the Eddy Eagle program to the children.
E. Daigle in Louisiana
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:49 PM
If assault weapons were banned what would our politicians do about the Mexican border. China and Russia produce millions of AK-47's that will easily find their way across our southern border, because we cannot risk offending all the illegals coming across at will.
Merry Colin in Cave Creek, AZ
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:12 PM
Another idiot spouts. An AK-47 or an AR-15 are RIFLES. They are not "assault" rifles. Assault rifles are fully automatic---think machine gun. Sheesh some of you people are so damn stupid that I fear I share this bond of countrymen. God save us from the ignorant PLEASE!
Deputy068 in Rochester, NY
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:49 PM
I do not agree that all teachers should be armed, not would I suggest such a radical solution to the problem of school shootings. I do urge that any teacher or administrator that has a permit to carry, and the will to do so, be allowed to carry his/her side arm on school grounds. They should be legally exempted from prosecution (if the resulting shoot is declared legal and justified) under a state or federal statute. Had anyone inside the Sandy Hook School (or any of the other mass shooting we've seen in the past few years) been so armed and willing to confront this mass murderer, the outcome might just have been totally different.
Robert John in Lebanon, PA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:56 PM
Agreed. Unfortunately, CT has the strictest concealed weapon carry laws, only 2nd to CA.
Take a quick look back and see where most of these tragic events took place over the last 10 years. CT, CO, OR - all have strict gun control laws.
Food for thought I'd say.
Would love to bring back the "troops to teachers" and legally arm each former troop in every school they participate in.
Bob in Mesa, AZ
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:16 PM
I lived in OR...very "gun-positive", legal concealed carry, even in bars. Notice the difference in death toll between CT (strict gun control) and OR (must issue CCW).
Robert John in Lebanon, PA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:39 PM
Bob, take a look at the map - A little more strict than most states - http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/wp/2012/12/17/connecticut-gun-laws-among-the-nations-strictest/
Patricia in PA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:50 PM
Obama could care less about these little children. If he cared for the United States of America he would change the way he lives. He had no real tears, they were just crocidile tears. He ought to stop and think that he is not helping America. He is just putting on a show to make the American people think that he cares. He needs to abide by the words that he spoke. It time that the American people stand up and let God lead our nation. God is the only one that can help us, not politians.
JtC in TX
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 9:49 AM
I'm sure you mean Obama COULDN'T (as in could NOT) care less about the children, Patricia.
HorseTeethSam in Michigan
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:50 PM
Easy to see where this is all going. Progressives will look at the gun-free zone, the assault-weapons ban and merely say, "Obviously, we aren't being tough enough on guns: therefore, we'll have to make it SO INCREDIBLY DIFFICULT for people to obtain guns and ammo that the NRA/KKK Gun Lobby can no longer AUTHORIZE the murder of our little children!" There will be a weapons ban like no other within 3 months, guaranteed. I'd be shocked if concealed carry is not banned outright. It's coming, folks.
HorseTeethSam in Michigan
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:52 PM
Oh yeah, one other thing - just exactly how well has our wonderful "War On Drugs" worked out? Hmm... Not so hot. That's how the war on guns will be, only much, much worse.
EllenH in MD
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 3:55 PM
Maybe we could trade an assault weapon ban for a ban on abortions. I daresay many more unborn children are killed by abortion each year than by assault weapons. Think the liberals would go for that? Me, neither.
HorseTeethSam in Michigan
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:02 PM
Another thought - if gun confiscation worked, why don't we simply confiscate all of the bad-guys' guns? This country... I feel like I'm trapped in an airliner that is piloted by a chimpanzee, flying toward the ground at 500 mph. This stuff is sick and twisted.
John in Tempe, AZ
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:05 PM
There will always be deranged individuals. Mental science may reduce their numbers in the future, but there will never be absolute assurance that we will find and treat every one of them. Some horrible events will occur. If guns are kept out of these peoples hands, perhaps the outcomes will be less horrific. But, if guns are taken from all law abiding citizens, either by repeal of the 2nd Amendment or through some subterfuge of it, the entire citizenry of America will be vulnerable to a dictatorial takeover of our government, and total loss of the freedoms which have defined America and its greatness for over 200 years. Think that can't happen here? We allowed a Marxist into the White House in 2009, and despite his awful record, we will be re-inaugerating him in 2013 if no one with the power to call the Democrats on the charade of his eligibility and massive election fraud comes forward to stop this madness before then.
Bob in Mesa, AZ
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:10 PM
When I heard about yet another mass killing at a place where everyone is disarmed by the government, my first thought was, "How sad there was no one there (like an armed teacher or two) to defend the children". Then I heard a media quote from a person who knew the killer say, "he had obvious disabilities". I am certain that many people interviewed said, "everyone knew he was ******ing nuts". Those they won't report. Thanks to SCOTUS (1980's) we can no longer put away such obvious threats, the justices said we have to give them the opportunity to murder our children. That is where I place the blame.
WashingtonIsResponsibleForThis in St. Petersburg
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:13 PM
Typical for the gun grabbers to blame an inanimate object as the reason for so many school shooting deaths. They know the only way they can do whatever they want is to disarm Americans. The real responsibility lies with those gun control advocates that passed laws making it a felony for law abiding citizens to possess a firearm in so called "gun free" zones, and applied those laws to all the places that large numbers of people gather, such as schools, movie theaters, and shopping malls. By doing this, they have guaranteed large numbers of casualties whenever some insane person decides to go on a murderous rampage. If only one person had been armed at that school, they could have at least given those children a chance. By the way, the only reason more people were not killed in the mall shooting in Seattle is because an armed citizen was there, drew his weapon on the shooter, and when the shooter saw him, he killed himself. You won't here that in the main stream press.
David in NH
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:20 PM
How many tragedies is it going to take for the Federal Government and those who oppose guns to admit that gun-free zones don’t work?
Gun-free zone laws guaranteed Adam Lanza would meet no immediate armed resistance; which is exactly what was needed to stop his heinous and horrific attack.
The truth is. Not one single case can be found where a multiple homicide has occurred in a school where armed security (teacher or otherwise) are known to be present.
Many will blame this tragedy on our gun laws. This is nonsense. Repeating arms have been around for over 150 years. The AR15 rifle has been available for sale to civilians since 1963. That’s almost FIFTY years.
Not long ago, hunting before school was the norm. Students would hunt in the morning, drive to school, leaving their firearm in their car or truck while attending school. Then drive home afterward.
The number of school shootings back then? Zero.
Not until the 1980's did violence enter our schools on a regular basis. By 1998, a quarter of a million SERIOUS injuries in our schools were the result of violence.
What possible explanation is there for this increased violence in our schools?
When that question is honestly and truthfully answered by the american people, only then will they realize we have a far more serious issue in this country that needs to be confronted. And that issue has nothing at all to do with guns.
Hamilton in IL
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 7:04 PM
Excellent! Well said.
Everett in New Hampshire
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:27 PM
Why don't we add more laws, and more stringent laws, concerning murder? Because the people who commit these crimes have no concern about the law! We need to get back to the idea that there is more to life than what we live between physical birth and death.
Michael Hennessey in East Falmouth, MA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:34 PM
I too am devastated by this senseless killing. However, so far all I've heard in the media is our politicians and every left wing activist pontificating about the USA gun laws being the prime cause. Not a mention about the obscenely violent video games that most American children seem to be raised on, or the non-stop graphic violence they see at the movies and on every other prime time television show. There also seems to be a disturbing trend that the more the left wing campaigns to remove God from our schools the more violence creeps in. Parents who do not take responsibility for the raising of their children but turn that over to a TV set are as big a cause of the violence in schools and elsewhere in our society as any gun. Guns have been an intrinsic part of American life for centuries but this new wave of violence toward children is new - as new as the technology that produces the most graphic games that teach kids to kill at play and the parental attitudes that encourage them.
Dan Stewart in Statesville, NC
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:48 PM
obama is so intent on dis-arming the American public as to be extatic at this tragedy. I, personally can't say that he wasn't behind the whole thing. What happened to the eyewitnesses who said there was another shooter? Just sayin'.
Mike Kummer in Floyds Knobs, IN
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:50 PM
We have had a armed pilot program since 2003. Why not teachers who want to do it and the responsibility that comes with it? If any of those teachers were armed, it may have been a much different day. Those teachers followed every procudure they knew and all they had was hope. A gun free zone is a target rich environment to bully.
Mike Kummer in Floyds Knobs, IN
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:53 PM
Oops, I forgot one of the safest places places to ever be is a gun show.
Diane in minnesota
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:55 PM
I think it is a tragedy when no is safe in public places, I also think that it a tragedy when someone is killed in a auto accident or plane crash, But I do not think that taking away the right to bear arms would be the correct answer any more than to ban riding in a auto or flying in a plane. IT WOULD BE VERY FOOLISH TO FALL INTO THE GOVERMENTS NEW CRY DISBAN WITH THE GUNS!!!!!!
Jim H in Albuquerque, NM
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:57 PM
Ask Shumer, Feinstein and Boxer why they feel it necessary to have applied for and been granted a Concealed Carry permit. And since they have one, I would suppose they actually are armed. If guns are so terribly bad, why do they feel the need to carry and even more so, why do they need armed security guards. Why does any leftist, be it a celebrity or Congressman or anyone else of that ilk feel it necessary to have armed security. When we get word that Obama is no longer arming himself, all guns are removed from the security details and arms are no longer being shipped to drug cartels in Mexico and/or Syria, then maybe the rest of us will pay attention to what he says. Until then, go away and leave us alone.
Charles in PA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 4:58 PM
As one who has been on a school shooting scene, as a police chaplain, with family members, the designs of a young person troubled in mind are not always recognized in advance. However, the havoc they wreak and the hearts that they break seem to last forever. The God of the Bible is the God of all comfort. Turn to Him for the grace to endure and seek the peace only He can afford.
Jan G Trude in Mastic, NY
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 5:06 PM
I don't remember anything like this happening before they took GOD out of our schools!
JtC in TX
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 9:50 AM
Bingo!
Marc in Atlanta
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 5:13 PM
Commentary on the mythology being inserted into the Newtown tragedy, from The Thinking Atheist. Based on all of the ignorance about the supernatural I have read here, I think it is worth citing:
The assertion here by Mike Huckabee astounds. Essentially, he (and countless other slaves hammering out similar charges on Facebook, etc) asserts that God didn't use his omnipotence to stop the bullets or otherwise save these innocent children, and it's our fault. As a nation, we weren't Christian enough.
And the chorus rises again. We took God out of our schools! We took God out of our government! We've turned away, and now we reap the penalty. It's perfectly understandable that an omnipotent Father would use the slaughter of babies to make a point. He knows what's best for us. He only hurts us because he loves us. It's our fault.
He loves me so much! I just...can't...leave...him.
This is slavery...limp equivocations from battered spouses attempting to justify the unjustifiable. And instead of diving deep into the very real issues of mental illness that drove this rampage, the religious waste time, energy and the goodwill of reasonable people by turning the caskets of the innocent dead into their superstitious soapbox.
Mike Huckabee should be ashamed.
-The Thinking Atheist
Hamilton in IL
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 11:31 PM
Marc,
And I suppose that with this religious logic (i.e. faith, i.e. no logic), whoever wrote that Thinking Atheist article, is taking a decidedly anti-Christian position, and hence, has lost God's protection and will never be heard from again.
And maybe, because you posted the article, this will be the last post we ever read from you.
And I'll ask the open question: Doesn't Huckabee or anyone else realize that all through recorded Christian history, there have been countless loyal-to-the-core Christians who still lost God's protection and were shot to death, stabbed to death, exploded, bludgeoned to death, speared to death, or fed to the lions?
And now that I've said all that, and replied to you about that article, maybe this will be the last anyone will read from me as well.
Farewell Marc.
Marc in Atlanta
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 5:11 PM
Hamilton, I fear the all merciful and forgiving lord will torture us for eternity for daring to use our intellect in such an egregious manner.
Hamilton in IL
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 12:13 PM
Marc, I would never have thought I would say this to you, but before I'll believe what you suggested about our "merciful and forgiving lord", you'll first have to prove his existence to me! ... May God bless you!
Col. David Kelley SF (ret) in Gainesville, GA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 5:35 PM
The Congress and States have created soft targets by making these gun free zones. In Israel in the '70's school children was killed by terrorist. You have not heard of that happening since? Why? Because all the teachers are now armed and there are guards on the school buses with machine guns. They are no longer victims for crazy people to kill because they are no loner a soft target.
Carol Wolney in Maple Grove, MN
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 5:39 PM
The weapon used by that very 'sick' young man wasn't THE cause of the tragedy and to ban guns in every community doesn't solve this issue. As a Nation we have been 'killling' these innocent children for almost 40 years in the name of 'choice'. As Blessed Mother Theresa told, to then President Clinton, 'our nation's children will be our undoing'.
G. Engel in Abilene, TX
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 5:44 PM
Screaming loudly about guns covers the fact that so much of this type of behavior comes from the lefts attack on our culture and our morality. Has anyone asked what part the ACLU has to do with this attack? They have been instrumental in removing mention of God from society, made morality relative, the killing of unborn babies acceptable, homosexuality an alternate lifestye and defended the NMBLA crowd, They have made life disposable.
G. Engel in Abilene, TX
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 5:45 PM
The "law" that lead to these childrens death was the one that prohibited a gun being on that campus. Considering the killer had already broken many laws, what good would one more have done?
Mike in AK
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 5:48 PM
Ban guns and they'll use mototov cocktails next time. They learn it from Hollywood. I suspect this guy was instigated by neighborhood organizer anarchists on social media sites to do this, so that there would be an excuse to pass stricter GC laws.
David Thompson in Bellville, TX
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 5:57 PM
"... Connecticut already has banned 'assault weapons,'..." But Connecticut law defines an assault weapon, quite properly, as having a selector switch that enables fully automatic fire or "burst" fire - two or three shots with one trigger pull. This will NOT satisfy gun control zealots, who wish to prohibit any rifle that allows semi-automatic fire, and will call that rifle an "assault weapon," just for effect.
Kenneth D Lord in Auburn
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 6:06 PM
Lots of good information to consider before any gun contol legislation takes place. I didn't realize that the President wants to take away all rights to bear arm and prohibit all guns. Where did you get this information? Please share your source with me.
SD Sykes in Hillsborough, NC
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 6:17 PM
It's a sad, sad day in the world when our Leaders politicize the tragic events that just happened in Connecticut, to get our guns taken away, yet encourage the "freedom" for women to kill the defenseless babies in their wombs. Murdering any human is a horrible act, but aborting babies is unbelievably cruel. The murder rate for them is over 1,000,000 + per year. God help us!
Jim in California
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 6:28 PM
"Gun-free zones" are magnets for the insane to do whatever they wish with impunity.
Dave in Issaquah, WA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 6:34 PM
Typo: "Quemadmodum gladius," not "Quemadmoeum gladuis" neminem occidit, occidentis telum est.
I look forward to every issue.
Mary Ann Ludwig in Palmdale
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 6:48 PM
While I support the Second Amendment and while I do not believe that all teachers should be armed, I do believe that if there had been even one security guard on that campus with a weapon there would not be 26 (27?) children and adults dead today. Most campuses have at least one security guard. Most are not armed and when I was a child we made fun of the security guards because we knew they would't be able to do anything useful. Today as a grandmother of an 8 year old boy, I beg the school districts to consider having one security guard on each campus who is armed and trained to respond to this sort of incident.
Dona in Dallas TX
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 7:07 PM
This is not about guns. It's about parents not dealing with their children's obvious psychological problems. One only has to look at the photo of Adam Lanza to see that. Parents don't parent anymore. They permit their children to watch violence on television, play violent video games, listen to rap music with explicit lyrics, Why isn't anyone discussing these issues? Parents expect their chilkdren to receive As in school when they don't deserve them, receive a sports trophy they didn't earn so they don't feel left out. This is NOT helping our children. We have taken God out of everything so there is therefore no feeling of remorse and no higher power to be accountable to. This is just the tip of the iceberg. The worst is yet to come unless we turn America around.
Ted Buisker in Davis, Illinois
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 7:08 PM
Schools being gun free zones are exactly why they are safe harbors for wackos to do their nefarious deeds. Wouldn't it have been nice if the principle, or a custodian or teacher, would have had the means at his disposal to negate the tragedy before it happened? Gun control laws kill!
enemaofthestatistquo in Monroe, GA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 7:15 PM
"Obamadon, a slender-jawed lizard", a most apt and accurate description to date.
Carol in SC
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 7:52 PM
It's odd that there has been such a huge increase of gun violence lately involving multiple murders. I can't help but wonder if these sociopaths and people with severe mental disorders are not being brainwashed by government thugs to commit these crimes. After all, for this administration, it would be a shame to let a sociopath "go to waste."
Lawrence W. Young in San Lorenzo, California
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 7:57 PM
How long is the left going to politically exploit the shooting tragedy? As long as they possibly can, no matter how much pain they cause for the people of this close-knit community. PLEASE, let them alone! Yes we need to find out why, but these people need time to grieve and to recover from such a terrible experience. I pray they will.
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Monday, December 17, 2012 at 8:01 PM
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MEMURPHY in Wichita,Ks
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 8:03 PM
This is the only site I have seen that points our obama's advocacy and taxpayer-forced support for the killings of thousands of unborn babies,in our country and other countries(he re-instituted the Mexico City policy by executive order as soon as he was inagurated).In my opinion,the lawless actions of this president,and his administration(Fast and Furious,failure to prosecute criminal acts by unions and Occupy thugs,suing states that attempted to control borders and tried to clean up voter rolls,MASSIVE voter fraud in the past 2 presidential elections ,well-documented and encouraged by unions"vote early and often".etc,has contributed to the !! violence by young people not held accountable
James Frisbie in Beaverton, OR
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 8:04 PM
Our president is a terrible man and a terrible human being. If he isn't the anti-Christ he is certainly a harbinger of one.
Carol in SC
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 8:08 PM
By the way, though I've only seen a few photos, I noticed that all of the murdered victims were Caucasians. Isn't one of the goals of this administration to control the white population?
Charlie in Madisonville, TN
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 8:13 PM
While the incident in CT is tragic and I believe as a nation we mourn the lost of such innocent lives. Daily routine is the abortion of many innocent lives and I don't hear anyone hollering to ban sex. No it is a natural function of human life between husband and wife, man and woman. Let us forget to mourn also for those that are aborted and pray for the mother and would be father.
William Ernst in Texas
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 8:17 PM
I was and still am sickoned over the loss of those babys,it's a horrible thing when children are murdered! With that said all I can say is the mother wasnt a responsable gun owner plain and simple. Anyone and I mean anyone who owns firearms should also have them locked in gun safes Period!!! The young man was sick and shouldnot have had acess to them but I havent heard that come up,all I hear is gun control this and more restriction's, Had they been locked up it would not have happened! More restrictions and gun control it not even a factor here it's the lack of being a responsable gun owner. God bless all the people affected buy this and the souls of those lost...
Tina in Sugar Land, Texas
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 8:40 PM
I am wondering how those very young children will perceive law enforcement personnel in the future. Most of them did not see the gunman. They saw a multitude of peace officers with weapons surrounding and on top of the school. I hope that counselors will help them understand that the police officers were not the perpetrators. As has been mentioned, the first responders are greatly affected by such tragedies. Hoping that the children can comprehend the help that law enforcement officers and first responders render.
Joe Dvorak in Watertown, ny
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 8:42 PM
I am very disturbed by this senseless murder of children and teachers. My daughter is a teacher and I wonder what her actions might be. I am sure she would make us proud. Gun control is sort of like bringing back prohibition. Hasn't ANYONE learned from the past? Yes, I have weapons and my family knows how to use them. I really believe that decent behavior and respect for others starts at home. We cannot blame everything on the weapons, mental illness, video games, or tv/movies. People just need to be aware of of what is going on. I know if my daughter was acting strange, I would question her and not deny the problem. Too many people just don't want to take responsibility. Time for everyone to stand up and stop worrying about politically correct.
A. Walker in Alaska
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 8:59 PM
I want the same tears from the President that he shed for the senseless murders of 20 children in CT, to flow for the 55 million defenseless unborn children that he personally has allowed to be murdered by abortion. Sadly Obama will use this tragedy as another "crisis not to be wasted." It is shameful to use the pain of others to further your own agenda, but Obama has never shown an inkling of real care and concern for anyone but himself.
Wondering? in Hawaii
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 9:01 PM
I have to wonder....how many hours of electronic death games have been played by these new killers of our society. When will someone do a study on this most used manor of desensitizing young minds from the reality of the actions that they playout on a screen. I have to believe that these killers didn't plan on taking their own lives, but did so only after the realization of their actions became real! Real death, and blood with real sounds and smells that never were played on their gaming console.
DixieDennis in KY
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 9:36 PM
They are declaring war on us! Sir, I say, let it begin here.
James R. Cooke in Fort Worth, TX
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 10:03 PM
And, in the meantime, this ghastly, horrific worst-nightmare-of parents has all but screened from public consideration the intransigent budget mess. In addition, upon what are the Obamadroids focusing upon? Billions of dollars in aid for Sandy relief. Where are those dollars coming from? And the clock is still ticking.
Ralph in Sumter, SC
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 10:28 PM
As an ex-EMT, ER volunteer, and ICU employee I have seen trauma and death. Life once lost is gone. We are all disturbed over th New Town killing of the innocent. There is only one proven method to minimize these awfull events. That is countervaiing force! Those who will step forward and accept the responsibility for defending others should be encouraged. Consider the altered outcome if one or more of the Sandy Hook adults had been armed. They certainly had the courage.
Won't work you say. Tell that to the folks in Pearl Mississippi and the West Virginia law school where an administrator and students stopped the deranged shooter with their own guns. The Israelis were plaged with school shootings until they armed administrators and teachers. They also took an additional step and encouraged armed citizens to come to the school yards to drink their coffee or read their papers. The result - school shootings stopped! Our "head in the sand" approach directed at the object creates zones where the deranged can operate at will with no opposition. Those who have created and foster these "free fire" zones have blood on their hands. Ask yourself why, with one exception, all the mass shootings occur in places where only the deranged shooter is armed. The answer is obvious. The shooter is crazy but not stupid.
The gun is a convienient focus for outrage but restricting firearms will not control these events. If it would, Chicago, Detroit, and DC would be the safeest cities in the US. Not everyone is suited for stepping up to defend others but please encouraage those who are before we have yet another of these mass killings.
gary sheldon in prescott AZ
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 10:35 PM
Perhaps the abortion doctor's tools should be made illegal. JO-BLO LIEbierman said," We should act while emotions are hogh and before time distances memory from the act." or something very close to that. What else could he say? It is his state!
Bruce Jones in Richmond, VA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 10:46 PM
I well recall the Texas Tower Massacre and all the rest since. Not one makes me think that banning guns, nor any kind of them, would keep the nuts from killing when they feel like it. Don't forget that in Switzerland there are no such killings, and for centuries all the male Swiss served in their army, with FULL-AUTO rifles for every man since they were invented. Chicago, where no one except cops are allowed to have guns , remains a leader in the high number of gun deaths, few of which result from police gunfire.
CGreen in Texas
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 10:55 PM
It ain't the guns. The pollyticians won't try to answer the real question - what causes young men to become homocidal maniacs? They are afraid the answers may not square with their political positions or may reflect poorly on some of their contributors. Plenty of folks here have thrown out ideas that have merit. Bottom line seems to be that our society is sick in many ways. Mainstreaming the mentally ill is not treatment - but some activists seem convinced mental illness or mental retardation are equal rights issues. We have watched the family unit crumble. We have watched divorce wreck families. We have watched as mainline churches have decided the truth of even the Bible is only relative. We have watched the complete deteriorization of the movie and entertainment industries over the last 50-60 years. Violence & sex is promoted, sold, and worshipped. In movies, the business and community leaders are always corrupt, the men are fools and the bad guys prevail. How many millions of teenagers - boys in particular - spend hours every day playing violent, shoot em up, video games where they pull the trigger to kill the opposition. Far too many think it is ok to kill unborn babies for whatever reason makes sense at the time to the young distraught mother to be. One could go on and on. We reap what we sow - and folks, we been sowin' bad seed for a long time. The solution - a whole lot more folks need to get on their knees, seek forgiveness, and with the grace of God, accept redemption and salvation through Christ Jesus. Sow the seed of faith and the yield will be good.
TOM TASKA in mansfield, ohio
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 10:57 PM
Gun free zones ?? Yes for all but the perpetrator ! how about concealed carry among the teachers ? How many lives could have been saved had ONE teacher been armed ????????? but thats too easy . tomt
Frog in IN
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 11:00 PM
I agree with Moe and especially Tom. The kid was troubled, I doubt he even owned the guns he used. It is sickening how quickly the politico jumped on the opportunity, with little concern for the feelings of the people involved in the incident. Obama quotes scripture, but mandates the "morning after pill, abortion, and with Obamacare (God help us), rationed medical care--euthenasia. Hypocrite!
Robert Turner in Clinton WA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 11:04 PM
Since GOD and the 10 Commandments were banned from the school house years ago we have seen the Moral decline in our nation where life is of little or no value. Thus the violence is but another example of the depraved condition of our culture. The burden of guilt should be placed on the ACLU and other Atheistic groups for the harm done to marriage, families with no father, and those who despise Christianity.
Marc in Atlanta
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 5:16 PM
Those evil infidels who uphold the US Constitution and remove mythology demanding the worship of an egomaniacal invisible friend in the sky. Yeah, that's why the mentally ill commit deranged acts. Mr. Turner, how silly.
RStabb in Pa
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 11:04 PM
What a joke to believe that the liberals could get guns off the streets. It's too late for that. What's next? Ban knives and sling shots?
Red Jacobsen in Temecula, CA
Monday, December 17, 2012 at 11:33 PM
2 things come to mind: All the mentally ill we have without recourse to treatment either through the lack of funds or just plain being ignored surely puts society in general at risk for violence.Also, for decades we have been told by leaders on the left that it is ok to murder babies(55 million killed in the womb since 1976). We, at least half of the popoulation, has bcome indifferent to this taking of the lives of the unborn. Pretty soon the unbalenced see that the solution to difficulties is murder; relief is only a killingh away. How long are we going to tolerate this taking of life both in the womb and out. The media for its part should be asking not only "why"after each tradgedy but should be showing "what".What abortion really is; show its grizzly, gory side.Once the public would see this abortions would drop rapidly. Perhaps then murder may also abate in other scenarios since it is no longer the best solution for a troubled life or a troubled mind. RED , Temecula,CA
Janice Murphy in Pine Mountain, Ga
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 12:40 AM
I am appalled at the exploitation of Friday's horror by the news media and Mr. Obama.(I cannot refer to him as "President") I grieve so much for those children,teachers, and their families as the above mentioned parties have jumped on the bandwagon and turned that tragedy into a circus and a political platform. Gun control will only keep guns in the hands of criminals.
T. DOWD in ST. LOUIS, MO
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 1:14 AM
We need to protect our school children with responsible, on site and prompt action. If just one or two of the adults at Sandy Hook school had concealed carry permits, giving them proficiency and prudence in use of their chosen weapon, many lives might well have been saved. As a veteran infantryman, I know that the shooter could not calmly pick targets if he was a target himself. The very ban on weaponry in schools guaranteed that there was no risk to his deadly plan. Learn to shoot for your own protection, anywhere! 'Gun Control' to us means hit where you aim!!
Disabled Vet in Pocatello, ID
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 2:11 AM
Every time that something like this happens, especially at the start of a new political season, the timing is called into question. Although I find it impossible to believe that anyone on this earth would intentionally set up such a massacre, such wanton, malicious situations seem to happen at the most convenient moment to aid in the 'glossing over' other (many times) more serious world matters. Instead, it forces us to pull our gaze down to see only this latest crime.
However, the fact that more & more of these types of brutality are occurring, whether it be one or fifty, the rate of occurance seems to be increasing. Meanwhile, the main stream media (& most people) fail to recognize that the world has become a more evil place. We have kicked all possible recognition or even thought of a supreme being and the laws that he has given us. We have flaunted our depravity on the stage & screen calling this good. All the time bringing charges or derision on those who would instead try to turn our heads back to Him. Is it really any wonder that these kids today are becoming so disullisioned, disgusted and unwilling to remain in the proper path? Nonetheless, we look at these incidents with shock and wonder.
Then those in Washington (who truly have little to nothing to earn their salary) jump on these stories so that they can justify disarming even more law abiding citizens that might have prevented or at least lessened the severity of those who seem hell bent on gaining their 15-minutes of fame in the most gruesome manner possible. It is time to restore punishment to the guilty, restore the ability of individuals (& facilities) to defend themselves and get out of the market of outlawing 'things' that were used to commit the crime. Take away the guns & only the outlaws will have guns. If they can't get a gun, a bow & arrow will do. Outlaw bows & arrows, and a knife will do, outlaw knives, and a club or heavy stick will do, outlaw sticks, and a rock will do...................
Bernard Herrera in Fairfax VA
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 2:13 AM
When are we going to understand that guns do not kill people but evil people kill people ....like the governor just expressed.... despicable Evil Also he calls for prayers.....I say kind of too late governor .......prayers starts before schools and not in the middle of a tragedy......bring God back to school and Religions as a mandatory subject.....this is the most common sense solution......Please get ready to educate the educators....the problem with our youth is not youth it self but parenting the youth. What about if Adam had had a Father and Mother to attend his need....but no oh no career is more important than parenting....do we see the need for morals and responsibilities ....? do we....? or do we want policing on everything....call the army...solve the problems with prohibition....?yeah we know what is going to happen with an arsenal in the black market....don't we...? haven't we lost the war on drugs.....what about human trafficking..? let's take a moment and really reflect on our responsibilities and stop blaming the other like Adan and Eve did from the very beginning... Amen.
Michael Brown in Coarsegold CA
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 2:15 AM
Juxtapose Obama's stand on abortion and his lament for lives cut short.
Julie in Lakeview
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 11:23 PM
Thank you. I couldn't have said it better! I can only believe that "we get what we give".
John T in Huntsville
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 4:04 AM
Thinking back to another mass murderer at a Batman movie, no one stops to thank god that the idiot secured his apartment with bombs and took rifles to the movies. If this moron took his over setup bomb wise, preparations to the movie theatre hundreds would have died instead of the few. It is indeed the killer not the weapon that kills and I thank God it did not turn around and his clever bombs were not taken and set up there instead of waiting for law enforcement in his apartment.
John T in Huntsville
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 4:12 AM
If the great majority or Americans who are armed and are arming actually had their guns commit the crimes the LibTards think they do, we would have so many dead that it would not make the news, it would be commonplace like gang deaths and no one would pay attention. Eliminate the 4 wheel killers over 50,000 dead every year and these cars and trucks start and drive by themselves and kill all over the US.
Les in Livingston
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 7:58 AM
Like most Americans I am sickened by the violence at Sandy Hook Elementary School. I pray that those chidren and Teachers are sitting with Jesus as I write this. A deeply disturbed individual committed an act of terrorism after killing his own mother. And yet no one was able to see this coming. One might ask that with Connecticuts current gun laws why this family had a semi-automatic assault weapon and hundreds of rounds of ammo? Could it be that the father believed in the second ammendment? No matter what happens, there will always be people who for one reason or another can not integrate into this society. These people strike out at what they can't understand. They will use whatever is handy to accomplish what they want. The guns just happened to be nearest. Satan is hard at work in this country. He has a great advocate in our current "president" and his political party. Liberal/socialist/communists that want nothing less than the total destruction of the United States of America. They will lie, cheat, steal, twist any truth to their advantage in their misguided hope to destroy. They will probably succeed unless we, the People, get God back in our lives and our Country.
Dee Dee in Raeford, NC
Thursday, December 20, 2012 at 9:32 AM
Well said Les in Lexington! I couldn't agree with you more. Most of the replies are "well said" and should be paid attention to by our congress and the president.
Pearl Martindale in ARkansas
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 8:34 AM
I believe Liberal politicians will use ANYTHING to advance their particular agendas. These precious childrens' deaths should be remember, their parents and school administrators prayed for but guns are not the problem.
Mary in Farmington, MO
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 8:36 AM
Why did he not mention the Fort Hood massacre? That area was totally under complete governmental gun control.
Norman F. in Ocala, FL
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 8:39 AM
We should do more than compare the number killed and wounded in these attacks. We should compare the attackers. For instance: what is their age group; their medical histories; the medications they are on (I heard that thirty-one of the thirty-two were on the same medicines)! The conflict concerning medicating school children has been going on for many years. How long after they leave school does the medication go on? Is there a method to monitor and compare them after leaving school? Another area for consideration is the public activities and relationships they are engaged in after leaving school. The young man who created such carnage at Newtown lived with his mother (who owned three guns, and a lot of ammunition) while his father lived miles away, depriving him of a stable and loving home. His outside activities should be checked and compared to the other shooters. Perhaps all this has been (or is being) done. If it is, good! I'll look forward to the results.
D. Wayne in Belton, Texas
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 8:53 AM
Obama is right. We have endured too many of these incidents. All teachers should be armed and go through regular training in how to respond to an attack against themselves and their students. Continuing to allow "Gun-Free Zones" where these incidents ALWAYS occur simply provides crazys with defenseless target rich zones and this is simply the most current in a long list that proves it.
ROGER PEZLEY in KAHOKA, MO.
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 9:00 AM
COULD IT BE THAT THIS TRAGEDY HAPPENED NOT BECAUSE THE BAD ACTOR HAD GUNS BUT BECAUSE HE HAD THE ONLY GUNS? AND, WITH REGARD TO "GUN CONTROL", HOW DOES "SHALL NOT BE INFRINGED" ALLOW FOR "CONTROL" OF ANY KIND? PERHAPS A CONSTITUTIONAL AMENDMENT WOULD BE THE FIRST ORDER OF BUSINESS. BUT, BE ASSURED THIS SORT OF THING WILL HAPPEN AGAIN AND AGAIN AS LONG AS OUR "NEWS" MEDIA CONTINUES CONDUCTING NON-STOP SEMINARS IN THIS SORT OF TERRORISM AS THEY BEEN IN THE DAYS SINCE THE SHOOTING.
Jim Qualls in Oroville Ca.
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 9:04 AM
So the left is advocating more gun control, Isn't that the same Obama that advocates the murder of children in the first place? wasn't his former chief of staff on record as saying, Never let a chrisis go to waste? I noticed that the fact that he first murdered his mother to get those guns in the first place was never mentioned by the leftmedia.
Gerald Houghton in Grapevine, TX
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 9:54 AM
A day or two after the senseless bloodshed at that grade-school I started wondering how many babies die every day of the year in Connecticut. According to info from CDC in 2008, (the last year of complete numbers) there were over 38 abortions per day in the state. The state of New York reported well over 300 daily. They will now come after our guns and keep on killing innocents daily! What a conflict of values.
Dick Culbertson in Blacksburg, VA
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 10:28 AM
Brainless gun control. In Russia, the Czar restricted gun ownership and the Communist took over. In Germany, gun ownership was outlawed and the Nazi took over. In England, gun ownership was very limited and after the Nazi rolled over Western Europe and threatened to invade England, the Brits sent agents to the US to buy up every gun they could in order to fight the invaders. And now the brainless US nitwits want to disarm us and invite the liberal progressives, Islamists, etc. to take over. As Patrick Henry said, "Permit it not! As for me, give me liberty or give me death"!
Tom Romine in Athens Ohio
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 11:14 AM
Yet, there is no mention of the killing of unborn babies. Millions have not enjoyed the breath of life. And, we don't hear about school shootings among the home schooled.
Ernest Wilson in Maryland
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 11:32 AM
I share your view. The key to controling these mindless attacks is in our privacy laws and our culture. These people have used a number of tools in the past to include bombs, fire, knives and swords and even an axe. Trying to eliminate the tool without addressing the mentally disturbed and enraged minds that carry out the act is senseless feel good political nonsense. A culture that celebrates chain-saw massacres and extreme video violence while depriving it's young people of careful, full-time mothering is unlikely to change much. Does it seem these type of events have increased in recent years? Has anyone asked why? The gun crazy culture of the 1950's saw less of this.
Candyman in Bullhead City, AZ
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 11:39 AM
You should pray that they will be shielded from the News Media---that's the bunch of idiots that will hound them mercilessly like a rabid dog!!
William Yard in Franklin, Pa
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 12:43 PM
How about the 3 thousand children we slaughter every day mister Obama? Can't we do something to stop this blood bath? So far the death count is over 55 million which kind of makes your gun problem pale by comparison. You stand there and rail about the right to murder 3 thousand children a day and have to gall to say we have to take away the guns. Why not take away the abortion doctors and really make a difference.
Jon in TN
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 1:20 PM
There is a time for grief over what happened in Newtown, but this is not the time to be second-guessing our principles. Nobody should be surprised that great evil was perpetrated with a gun. That’s what evil does: it takes things–sometimes very good things–and twists and distorts them for its own terrible ends. This inversion is fundamental to the way that evil works; you will not find an exception. But too often we forget this reality, and instead of recognizing evil for what it is, we allow it to hide behind its implements.
The massacre of innocent children at Newtown was a win for evil. If the populace is disarmed as a result of this tragedy, that will be another win for evil. Because to confront evil and win, you have to be able to destroy it. But because of the insidious way in which evil works, it is entirely possible that our response to it will only result in more of it.
Stick to your principles. Do not be afraid to look evil in its face and call it what it is. Do not let it hide behind the things it deforms for its own twisted purposes. And do not let it rob you of the means of destroying it. The lesson of Newtown is that evil is real, and no law of man can change that.
George in Washington
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 1:44 PM
I don't disagree often, Mark, but the arming of teachers (voluntary, not mandatory) and the elimination of other "gun-free zones" that serve only to invite these massacres is just common sense. I don't see this as extreme.
Larry in Montana
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 1:59 PM
"Gun control" has nothing to do with the safety of the people or even of children. It's all about control, and the fools in Congress and the White House are only concerned about control.
Nothing is being said about the mental problems that all the cowards who commit mass murders have, and no sane person would even think about let alone commit such crimes. We cannot offend those who are deranged or mentally unstable because if might violate their civil rights apparently.
I've got to wonder how many armed bodyguards people like Nadler, Schumer, Feinstein, et al have to protect themselves while the rest of us are just supposed to suck it up and call the cops.
COL A R McCahan in Gainesville
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 3:28 PM
I believe we can avoid most, if not all, school shootings by simply taking down the "Gun Free Zone" signs around most schools and replacing them with signs to the effect, "We love our children; therefore, some of our staff is armed and trained. Proceed at your own risk!" A modification can be made for colleges and universities to say that some students are also armed and trained. The "Gun Free Zone" is a "Killing Zone" by another name. This probably won't stop the truly mentally deranged, but since most school murderers are seeking power over someone or something, but will avoid confrontation if challenged, it should eliminate 90% plus of this kind of senseless violence. For about the last decade and perhaps longer, as more carry permits have been issued, the FBI statistics show violent crime declining in all areas. The President, Members of Congress, and Members of the Cabinet should get the message from that fact alone. Restricting our citizens from having guns will reverse that trend immediately and eventually cause the demise of our county unless we choose to do something about it. And make no mistake, there are many Patriots who are willing to do the same thing our Founding Brothers did if necessary...
COL A R McCahan in Gainesville
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 3:31 PM
I believe we can avoid most, if not all, school shootings by simply taking down the "Gun Free Zone" signs around most schools and replacing them with signs to the effect, "We love our children; therefore, some of our staff is armed and trained. Proceed at your own risk!" A modification can be made for colleges and universities to say that some students are also armed and trained. The "Gun Free Zone" is a "Killing Zone" by another name. This probably won't stop the truly mentally deranged, but since most school murderers are seeking power over someone or something, they will avoid confrontation if challenged, so it should eliminate 90% plus of this kind of senseless violence. For about the last decade and perhaps longer, as more carry permits have been issued, the FBI statistics show violent crime declining in all areas. The President, Members of Congress, and Members of the Cabinet should get the message from that fact alone. Restricting our citizens from having guns will reverse that trend immediately and eventually cause the demise of our county unless we choose to do something about it. And make no mistake, there are many Patriots who are willing to do the same thing our Founding Brothers did if necessary...
J. Alisko in Wickenburg, AZ
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 7:40 PM
Amen! Well said!
Clark Sowers in Belle Fourche, SD
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 4:02 PM
G.K.Chesterton wrote, “Not only are we all in the same boat, but we are all seasick.” With the recent tragedy in Connecticut I am convinced our nation is seasick.
The questions we ask in life are just as important as the answers we find. When we ask the wrong questions we always find the wrong answers. Our modern culture is asking all the wrong questions and that is why so many are living lives of quiet desperation. Our so-called “advanced culture” encourages us to ask these questions: What do I want to do? What’s in it for me? Will it feel good? How can I get People to serve me? How can I do less and get more? How can I get more power? All of these lead us along the lonely path of self-centeredness. In this scenario, we place ourselves at the center of the universe. We place ourselves at the center of human history. Do we really expect to find happiness by building our lives on such a distorted view of life and reality? The greatest foolishness of man is the miscredited fantasy that we can find a lasting happiness separate from the Will of God.
Clark Sowers Belle Fourche
Julie in Lakeview
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 11:19 PM
We're born into a world ruled over by satan. The only way to change that is to say yes to Jesus and become a child of our father, God. We then enter into His coming Kingdom. He helps us to live in this sinful world, knowing that there is hope. Those who reject Him have no hope and "no one wants to go down alone". They're drowning and grasping, blaming, cursing and don't even know why. I don't know how else to express it.
John Parker in Junction Tx
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 4:44 PM
Any government who is basicly afraid of something will attack and or attempt to dismember it. Enough "guns" could overthrow them when they assume total power.
Raymond in Texas
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 5:36 PM
I've got a simple solution to the recent shooting insanity. How about we just ban all people on psychiatric meds from 1) owning guns, 2) driving cars, and 3) voting for President!
“Life, Liberty, and the relentless pursuit and subduction of anyone that threatens it, foreign or domestic.”- Unknown
"Any man who thinks he can be happy and prosperous by letting the Government take care of him, better take a closer look at the American Indian." - Henry Ford
"You can have my guns when you pry them from my cold dead hands." - Charleton Heston
John B. Byrnes in Bethune, SC
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 5:49 PM
Gun Control legislation is the politicians" cheap way out of a complex problem. It plays to their base using the intense grief felt by the nation as a whole and the terrible loss felt by immediate and extended family. The fact that gun control doesn't stop the problem is clear in the US and around the world. The real problem is mental health of young men and boys. Video games, movies and other media may be a large part of the problem but is ignored by the rulers because their supporters are reaping huge profits connect with the production, distribution and sales of these items. And at whose expense are these profits derived; six and seven year olds?
J. Alisko in Wickenburg, AZ
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 7:36 PM
There are more 'good' guys with guns than there are 'bad' guys with guns, so why are we always trying to disarm the 'good' guys? A couple teachers with CCW permits could have stopped or reduced the slaughter!
John in Boston MA
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 7:50 PM
That AR 15 semiautomatic assault weapon was not considered an assault weapon because of some freaking loophole.
loves America in washington
Tuesday, December 18, 2012 at 9:36 PM
Here is a reminder that every American must know to be informed.
The 2nd amendment was part of the bill of citizens rights that would protect the citizenry from an oppressive American government. At that time everyone had muskets and bayonets. Today the US government has all of the most destructive weapons and we see the effect of that in Egypt, Libya, etc.
A ban on assault weapons makes the disadvantage even greater than it is currently and would be a direct violation of the intent of the 2nd amendment.
Guns do not kill, no more that chemicals, knives, cars, shovels and icicles.
The US government is directly responsible for these killings via the Supreme Court and Congress, by removing all manner of religion and morality from the government schools and offices, in violation of the intent of the 1st amendment.
Our founders intended that the Christian religion, and the resulting morality, be a strong part of this nation and the foundation to hold the nation together. This was stated over and over by the founders. Foreigners came to America to write about the success of the grand experiment.
A book called ORIGINAL INTENT BY David Barton should be mandatory reading by every American Christian citizen and public school student. It has hundreds, if not thousands, of quotations of the founders.
If I was a multimillionaire, every American that could and would read would have a copy.
Toni in Indiana
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 9:37 AM
50,000,000 abortions (murdered children) annually in the US and no one even comments. Arson and automobiles kill more people than people with guns. 3,000 plus were killed on 9/11 by planes. I do not wish to make the killing of innocent children not to be noticed, this was indeed a terrible act by an insane person. But, Hitler took all the guns away and look what happened to the people of Germany in WWII. 6,000,000 jews were murdered with gas and torture. Millions die each year from famine and disease.
H Gear in Salem,Va
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 10:57 AM
Another example of the "blame game" the left uses to deflect from there past current and future agenda. Ask the question "If this was a gun free zone, how was it possible?, Did the gun walk in by itself?!" Unbelievable!!
Wilson Winch in Independence, MO
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 3:34 PM
National tears were shed for the 26 innocent children and adults last week at Newtown, but where were the same tears for the 4,000 innocent unborn babies that were violently killed that same day (and every day) in their mother's womb.
Don Nearhood in Dulurh, GA
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 5:37 PM
Who said: noever let a good disaster go to waste? Arm the people. First responders get there after it is all over.
RAB in Michigan
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 9:30 PM
Despots never rest in their unending quest to subdue freemen.
Julie in Lakeview
Wednesday, December 19, 2012 at 11:08 PM
I keep asking the question..."How old does a person have to be in order to have value???" When I ask it, people just look at me and change the subject. Apparently they don't consider unborn children and older people valuable. Old people are ignored unborn children are simply killed. A woman at church simply said "We can't feed them!" I'm reconsidering my membership at that church.
James S. Peters Sr. in Columbus, Indiana
Thursday, December 20, 2012 at 1:11 AM
With all of the talk about the guns...how about cleaining up Chicago, ILL first. There are more murders there in one day. Obama and Feinstein are hyprocrtes..
Start with Chicago, Illinois.
florin in Waterbury, Connecticut
Thursday, December 20, 2012 at 8:47 AM
Dec. 19th: I cannot stand to watch or listen to Obama. However, I live near Newtown and those words you quote were spoken after he had met privately with parents and families of the victims who asked him that question and who also asked him why anyone - anyone - needs to have an assault style weapon such as the shooter used? Those military style weapons are not used for hunting so what type of person needs rapid fire assault weapons? This is the discussion we DO need to have and to characterize the talk Pres. Obama gave in the way you did is why we have so much enmity and division in our country. There is vitriol on both sides. Obama came to the Newtown auditorium without fanfare, met out of sight of cameras with the grieving families then sat quietly in the audience until his turn to speak came and then he left quietly and without fanfare. Do not dishonor our slain children and their teachers by demeaning that talk...I still do not watch or listen to Obama but that night, he spoke from the heart, as a father - let us stop this divisiveness, this quickness to jump on every speech and look for a way to use it as an instrument of division. Do you know St. Francis of Assisi? Remember when the Sultan told him that if he could find 10 peaceful people like St. Francis, there would be no more war, no more killing. Let us try to be those 10 peaceful people and seek the good in others.
Mynickelsworth in Athens
Thursday, December 20, 2012 at 9:02 AM
I would prefer not to live in either of the extremes but I definitely prefer the armed teachers as a temporary fix until the real cause is fixed. Front Sight, a weapons training company in Nevada has offered to train 3 from each school, college and University FREE. The school is required to designate those to be trained as Safety Monitor. Go to frontsight.com or by email at info@frontsight.com He is also fighting to get the real cause fixed...that is the loading up of children with deadly chemicals. A study shows that almost every incident has involved someone who was fed these drugs as children which drives them to do crazy things. One thing we DO NOT NEED, is the destruction of the Second Amendment. ONLY WANNA BE DICTATORS WANT TO TAKE AWAY WEAPONS FROM CITIZENS.
Mynickelsworth in Athens
Thursday, December 20, 2012 at 9:08 AM
In my previous comment, I mentioned a study which found Psych Meds the cause of most of the shootings. Here is a link to that information: http://www.wnd.com/2012/12/psych-meds-linked-to-90-of-school-shootings/
Dee Dee in Raeford, NC
Thursday, December 20, 2012 at 9:10 AM
Before banning ANY guns, congress should look first to the violent games kids are playing on their computers! In those games there is NO sanctity of life.and encourages kids to be shooters for whatever reason. This is a disgrace. Also the violent movies and tv programs are NO help for our young,
harold miller in algonac, michigan
Thursday, December 20, 2012 at 12:31 PM
Guns did not kill at Sandy Hook Liberals did.
Paul in Lucerne Valley
Thursday, December 20, 2012 at 3:45 PM
Bamba boy is going to push this as hard as he can. Yes he is going to try to disarm this country but then what is going to happen when a criminal walks into another school and starts blasting away. what is he going to do then? What we need is more CRIMINAL control, we need to put more control on those that have or are suffering from MENTAL illness and from the types of problems that the person had that committed this crime against the country. Who knows one of these kids could have discovered a cure for some of the problems that plague this country. No we do not need more gun control what we need is more much more criminal control.
Jim Budnick in Macomb Twp. MI
Thursday, December 20, 2012 at 4:08 PM
I heard a comment on Fox News last week that the shooter in Newton broke 41 laws in the process of killing 27 adults & children. I doubt that enacting any more laws will stop anyone else from doing the same. "Insanity is doing the same thing over & over and expecting a different result"
Paul in Tampa, Fl.
Friday, December 21, 2012 at 12:28 AM
The murderer's remains should be disposed of as medical waste and his name never mentioned again. Although fame wasn't his aim I for one am sick and tired of these rejects of humanity being glorified by the media for profit. No one should be able to see his grave and repeat what he did.
Ronald McCollum in Pensacola
Saturday, December 22, 2012 at 12:31 PM
We should be ever thankful for men like Mark Alexander, and the staff of The Patriot Post, who stand up for our Nation’s Founding Documents, ever watchful of those who would treasonously betray us with dishonest and vain philosophies!
Doug in Greentown IN
Tuesday, December 25, 2012 at 1:05 AM
Obama has blood on his hands from his support of abortion and Planned Parenthood. Planned Parenthood kills thousands of babies each year. Where are Obamas tears over abortion. Obama has blood on his hands from his involment in Fast ahd Furious. A U.S. border guard was killed as a result of the gun running efforts of Eric Holder's Justice Dept. Obama also wants to ignore the Muslim attack in Benghazi that resulted in the deaths of four Americans who asked for help from Clinton and Obama. Where are Obamas tears. Obama is ignoring all the blood on his hands. However, for the sake of his Communist agenda he forces the Catholic Church to pay for birth contol including abortion. When he cries at the senseless deaths that recently occured in Connecticut, I just can't buy his act. Obama has been working to destroy our 2nd Amendment Right since and before Fast and Furious. He is politically exploiting the evil that killed 12 children in Connecticut. Pretending to care for safety,Obama uses this crisis to advance his political advantage of more control.Control, not over psychopaths, but control over our Bill of Rights.
Myron Cross in Jacksonville, NC
Thursday, December 27, 2012 at 8:54 AM
The horror of this catastrophe cannot be expressed. As an addition to this horrible happening there are roughly 30 children killed every ten minutes of every twenty four hour day every year in this country just because they are unwanted or an inconvenience. I can see no difference other than the fact no one wants them. A very sad and shameful way that we live our lives.How sad.
Warren Boles in McLoud, Oklahoma
Thursday, December 27, 2012 at 9:52 AM
Allow everyone who has been trained to carry their guns everywhere they go. Thus, no so called "gun-free" zones,thus no place the bad guys can go without resistance.
Ray , U.S.A RET in Colfax Ca
Thursday, January 3, 2013 at 12:17 PM
As a retired NCO , and a Gold star father... I will never give up any of my weapon!! A fellow NCO wrote a letter ... I will post it "Senator Dianne Feinstein, I will not register my weapons should this bill be passed, as I do not believe it is the government’s right to know what I own. Nor do I think it prudent to tell you what I own so that it may be taken from me by a group of people who enjoy armed protection yet decry me having the same a crime. You ma’am have overstepped a line that is not your domain. I am a Marine Corps Veteran of 8 years, and I will not have some woman who proclaims the evil of an inanimate object, yet carries one, tell me I may not have one. I am not your subject. I am the man who keeps you free. I am not your servant. I am the person whom you serve. I am not your peasant. I am the flesh and blood of America. I am the man who fought for my country. I am the man who learned. I am an American. You will not tell me that I must register my semi-automatic AR-15 because of the actions of some evil man. I will not be disarmed to suit the fear that has been established by the media and your misinformation campaign against the American public. We, the people, deserve better than you. Respectfully Submitted," Cpl, United States Marine Corps 2004-2012 Defender of the Constitution
Joe in WA
Thursday, January 10, 2013 at 4:35 PM
"We've endured too many of these tragedies in the past few years. ... We're going to have to come together and take meaningful action to prevent more tragedies like this, regardless of the politics." - Obama
So the issue with him saying that is what? He's right. What was he supposed to say "Well, that whole shooting thing today sucked but we'll get over it and go find some more Dubya Emm Dees."
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