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The Dark Night Rises
Everybody knows the culture is poisonous, and nobody expects that to change.
At a screening of "The Dark Knight Rises" the other day on Manhattan's East 86th Street, three cops were posted outside, two in a cruiser and one on a motorcycle. An usher said they'd been coming by since the shooting in Aurora, Colo. She was relieved they were there; we now can add movie ushers to the list of those who hold hazardous jobs in America. But you wish Hollywood and not the taxpayer were paying for it.
The people in the theater were jumpy, getting up and going out the exit, coming back. The movie itself is dark -- murders, massacres, torture, weird sinister chanting, foreboding music. There's some sort of revolt, and Gotham is taken over by a small army led by a monster. They shoot up the floor of the stock exchange. The homes of the wealthy are ransacked. The thinking or motivation of the monster-leader, Bane, is never made clear.
"No one cared who I was till I put on a mask," he says, in one of the lines that seemed to prefigure the Aurora perpetrator.
Did "The Dark Knight Rises" cause the Aurora shootings? No, of course not. One movie doesn't have that kind of power, and we don't even know if the shooter had seen it. But a million violent movies have the cumulative power to desensitize and destabilize, to make things worse, and that's what we've been seeing the past quarter century or so, the million movies. Each ups the ante in terms of carnage. Remember Jack Nicholson's Joker, from 1989? He was a garish, comic figure and he made people laugh. He was a little like Cyril Ritchard as Captain Hook in the old TV version of "Peter Pan." You knew he wasn't "real." He was meant to amuse.
Compare that with Heath Ledger's Joker in 2008's "The Dark Night." That Joker was pure evil, howling and demonic, frightening to see and hear. If you know what darkness is, you couldn't watch that Joker and not be afraid. He looked like the man who opens the door when you get off the elevator to enter Hell; he looked like the guy holding the red velvet rope. That character was so dark, and so powerful, he destabilized the gifted actor who played him. Ledger died of a drug overdose six months before the movie opened.
About 15 years ago, a TV interviewer noted my concern at the damage I thought was being done by the highly violent, highly sexualized nature of our culture, of our movies and TV and music. It will make us more brutish, I'd argued, and some will imitate what they see.
The interviewer was good-humored but skeptical: Hollywood makes a lot of comedies. Why don't we see the country breaking out in laughter?
Violence is different, I said, because there are unstable people among us, and they are less defended against dark cultural messages. The borders of the minds of the unstable are more porous. They let the darkness in. You can go to a horror movie and be entertained or amused: "This is scary, I love getting scared, and I love it because I know it isn't real." But the unstable are not entertained by darkness. They let it in. They are inspired by it. Sometimes they start to live in the movie in their heads. "I am the Joker," the shooter is reported to have told the Aurora police.
Carl Cannon, in a thoughtful, deeply researched series on RealClearPolitics, this week gave a measured, tempered look at our entertainment culture and its role in the Aurora shootings: "A hundred studies have demonstrated conclusively that viewing violence on the screen increases aggression in those who watch it, particularly children." Ignoring the problem hasn't made it go away. He quoted Jenny McCartney of London's Daily Telegraph, after she had seen 2008's "The Dark Knight": "The greatest surprise of all -- even for me, after eight years working as a film critic -- has been the sustained level of intensely sadistic brutality throughout the film." The movie begins with a heist by men in sinister clown masks. "As each clown completes a task, another shoots him point blank in the head. The scene ends with a clown -- the Joker -- stuffing a bomb into a wounded bank employee's mouth."
What effect might a scene like that have on a man who is mentally or emotionally ill and beginning to have violent fantasies?
Mr. Cannon noted the different ways Hollywood executives have attempted to rationalize and defend what they produce. At first they claimed TV and movies had no impact on the actions of viewers. Then why, they were asked, have commercials, and why have characters who don't smoke? Next filmmakers claimed violent movies not only don't increase violence, they probably decrease it by letting audiences vicariously blow off steam. "Legions of social scientists lined up to test" the catharsis theory, says Mr. Cannon. They discovered the opposite: "Violent programming desensitized young people to violence, made them more likely to hit other children, and often engendered copy-cat behavior."
Some of the sadness and frustration following Aurora has to do with the fact that no one thinks anyone can, or will, do anything to make our culture better. The film industry isn't going to change, the genie is long out of the bottle. The genie has a cabana at the pool at the Beverly Hills Hotel. The movie market is increasingly international, and a major component is teenage boys and young men who want to see things explode, who want to see violence and sex. Political pressure has never worked. Politicians have been burned, and people who've started organizations have been spoofed and spurned as Puritans. When Tipper Gore came forward in 1985, as a responsible citizen protesting obscene rap lyrics, her senator husband felt he had to apologize to Democratic fund-raisers. If some dumb Republican congressman had a hearing to grill some filmmakers, it would look like the McCarthy hearings. There would be speeches about artistic freedom, and someone would have clever words about how Shakespeare, too, used violence. "Have you ever seen 'Coriolanus?'"
The president won't say anything -- he too is Hollywood funded -- and maybe that's just as well, since he never seems sincere about anything anymore.
A particularly devilish injustice is that many of the wealthy men and women of the filmmaking industry go to great lengths to protect their own children from the products they make. They're able to have responsible nannies and tutors and private coaches and private lessons. They keep the kids busy. They don't want them watching that garbage.
Everyone else's kids?
One thing about good parents these days is they always look tired. A lot have hard lives -- two jobs, different shifts, helping with homework, cleaning the house. But they also have the exhausted look of hyper vigilance.
Once parents could take a break at night, park the kids in front of the TV and let the culture baby-sit. Not anymore. Our culture, they know, is their foe. The culture brings sick into the room. They have to guard against it, be hypervigilant: "Put that off!" "I don't care if your friends are going, we're not."
It's a wonder they don't revolt.

37 Comments
Gregory Spearing in Yakima Washington
Saturday, July 28, 2012 at 10:17 AM
Peggy Noonan blames a culture of scary movies for a violent culture but never mentions some other more important factors. One other factor is the Bible and the extremes of violence permitted by God such as genocide and stoning children to death. I don't believe God actually did those things but children are taught otherwise, how could they not be affected?
Another problem she doesn't mention is the availability of assault weapons. Responsible gun owners, sportsmen and hobbyists know these weapons serve no useful purpose except for military combat.
Jim in Alabama
Saturday, July 28, 2012 at 11:23 AM
Excellent point Gregory. Good Student! As Dear Leader said "They cling to their guns and their religion." Hence the importance of separating them from both. And when the Bibles have all been burned and the guns have all been confiscated. then peace and social justice for all will prevail. Now you're ready for second grade! Where we go from moronic fantasy to the actual study of history. Just to make sure, let's investigate. Has anyone ever tried that before? Did they do that in Lenin's Russia? In Hitler's Germany? In Mao's China? In Castro's Cuba? In Pot Pol's Cambodia? Have the Muslims done that to the infidels in every country they've overrun? Well, OK, there might be some risks involved. But it really has got to be worth taking that chance. We're talking about putting an end to the carnage happening daily across the nation because of our young people murdering and plundering, raping and pillaging, creating Ponzi schemes and wearing really silly baggy pants, because they were exposed to those insidious Bible stories!!! Oh, Power to the People! End the Horror Now!
Gordon in Boise
Saturday, July 28, 2012 at 12:04 PM
And now on to third grade. "Responsible" and "reasonable" are words used to frame the chipping away of the rights inherent within you that government exists to protect, not dismantle. Ever notice how the same politicians who would tax you into the ground are the same ones who howl the loudest for gun control? You can't endlessly abuse armed taxpayers. The Second Amendment was specifically put there as a balance of power between the people and the government. As such, the American people should have full access to the finest assault weapons available and as much ammunition as their hearts desire.
JJStryder in Realville
Saturday, July 28, 2012 at 12:15 PM
Leave it to a clueless lefty to come to the conclusion that the Bible and guns are the reason for increased violence in our culture. You must not have even take the time to read Peggy's article. The same kind of intellectually void conclusions that allows a president to convince fools that the rich are the reason they are poor or that spending America into bankruptcy will return America to greatness. 2+2=8 in the liberal world. Better to have people believe you are stupid than to write comments like yours and remove all doubt. You and fools like you are what is wrong with America.
David in Arizona
Saturday, July 28, 2012 at 10:37 PM
I agree. The reason shootings like what happened in Co. is because his heart was hardened towards God, and when your heart is wrong with God, it is going to affect you relationships with man. What happened in Co. is because somebody rejected the principle in the Bible, and deliberately went against God's law. Plain and simple. Guns are never the problem, just like forks never make people overweight. Honestly, the more we push the Bible more and more out of out lives and culture, the more these shootings will become commonplace. Embrace the Word of God, and change men's hearts, and only then will events like this one cease, and then only.
David in Arizona
Saturday, July 28, 2012 at 10:40 PM
(sorry, was unclear) What I was agreeing to was that the people who are the problem in society is those who believe the Bible is the problem. I don't agree calling names - just that comment on the fact that it is the people who are anti-Bible who are the problem.
David in Arizona
Sunday, July 29, 2012 at 6:45 PM
Oh brother, this is getting longer and longer! I take back what I said about them being the problem. What I think would be a better statement, would be to say that if the Christians stood up for what they believed in, and change the hearts of men, and the church, then society would change. Just getting rid of people who don't agree with the Bible will never fix anything, and saying it will is just trying to shift blame. Sorry for being unclear.
Dave in SoCal
Saturday, July 28, 2012 at 3:16 PM
A) An assault weapon was not used in the Aurora murders. An assault weapon is a hand-held, selective fire weapon, which means it's capable of firing in either an automatic or a semiautomatic mode depending on the position of a selector switch.
B) The semi-automatic version of an AR-15 is the standard rifle used in the popular shooting sport called 3-Gun (the other two guns used are a shotgun and a pistol). There goes your no useful purpose argument.
C) I don't need a purpose to exercise my fundamental right to own firearms. Perhaps we should have you demonstrate a useful purpose before you exercise your First Amendment right.
D) Here is a concise statement about the futility of gun control laws by Jeffery R. Snyder: "But to ban guns because criminals use them is to tell the innocent and law-abiding that their rights and liberties depend not on their own conduct, but on the conduct of the guilty and the lawless, and that the law will permit them to have only such rights and liberties as the lawless will allow. ... For society does not control crime, ever, by forcing the law-abiding to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of criminals. Society controls crime by forcing the criminals to accommodate themselves to the expected behavior of the law-abiding."
EW Riggs in Lawrenceville GA
Monday, July 30, 2012 at 5:43 PM
Dave in SoCal - Because I believe people should attribute properly, I searched the internet for the source of your quote from Jeffrey R. Snyder: http://www.nunya.net/marc/jeff-snyder
Cheerio - Elizabeth
Capt. Call in New Mexico
Saturday, July 28, 2012 at 7:37 PM
Well, now, Gregory has suddenly become wiser than Almighty God, and can criticize His actions!! You, sir are not well educated enough to even know what you are talking about. I suggest that before you criticize God, that you first of all read the Bible---the whole book from cover to cover; secondly, give your life to Christ and be born again; then take some classes in hermeneutics, the science of Biblical Interpretation.
Kevin Molloy in Kettering, Ohio
Sunday, July 29, 2012 at 4:21 PM
Don't miss the point. Ms. Noonan cites that this type of hyper-violence affects those on the fringes of psycho-social well being the most. And, of necessity, " assault weapons " have the purpose, in responsible hands, of keeping a free society free. Free from all enemies, foreign and domestic.
Uncle Bill in Pittsburgh, PA
Monday, July 30, 2012 at 12:20 PM
Gregory, please learn something about guns before you enter a debate on gun control. Learn that the Pentagon defines "assault weapon" as any weapon capable of FULLY AUTOMATIC fire, and that this class of weapons is NOT available to the general public unless you go through extensive paperwork to get a special license, pay a $200 fee to the ATFE, and pass a background check. They are therefore rare and already all but banned and not generally associated with crime. What the aurora maniac had were NOT assault weapons. What he used were SEMI-AUTOMATIC weapons (find out what that means, please...) that are generally legal for hunting in most states. Even that ugly scary-looking black "military style" rifle you can buy in any gun store IS NOT AN ASSUALT WEAPON. It is a legal semi-automatic rifle definitely NOT used by the military. It uses the exact same 100-year-old technology as a semi-auto hunting rifle- except that it has a plastic, rather than wooden stock.
Adrien Nash in Crescent City, CA
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 at 5:44 AM
Your points seem to cover the subject quite well, but in fact they don't. The heart of the killing power of an AR15 ("A" stands for "Assault" I believe, and "R" stands for "Rifle") is not in its firing mechanism, but in its bullet. Its bullet is an especially designed military bullet capable of great killing power because of its high velocity. It's a perfect combination of size, weight, composition, and quantity of gun powder. It hits at such high speed that the slug fragments on impact with a body, resulting in multiple internal wounds.
If one used a fully automatic weapon that only fired low-velocity pellets then no one would be fatally wounded, so the issue isn't automatic vs. semi-automatic, it is instead an issue of what type of ammunition one is struck by. Playing games with semantics is foolish. Do you not realize that a century ago, before automatic rifles were mass produced, an AR15 would definitely have been considered a very deadly assault rifle? The meaning of what is an assault rifle is not written in stone but has changed as technology has changed. Two hundred years ago an AR15 would have been the deadliest rifle on the planet, capable of decimating entire enemy ranks.
oldshooter in San Antonio, TX
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 at 5:55 PM
Actually AR stands for Armalite Rifle, according to Eugene Stoner, the designer. The military 5.56mm round is ballistically almost identical to the popular .223 varmint round, which was specifically designed to be a light recoiling, flat trajectory round, for use against "varmints" like Groundhogs, Woodchucks, and Prarie Dogs. In many states it is still illegal to use this round on deer or other game animals, because it is considered too small and light a bullet. The major problem found with the round in the field is its lack of penetration, and it is frequently necessary to shoot an enemy multiple times to effect a complete stop. Its use by the military was originally considered primarily because of 2 factors: First it was so light that the average infantryman could carry a lot of them (compared to a 7.62 or .30 calier round) and it was being offered in a rifle capable of full-auto fire. Second, because it was more likely to wound than kill. In strategic military thinking it is far more valuable to injure an enemy troop on the battlefield than to kill him outright, because this will typically require at least two more troops to carry and care for him, thus getting several troops out of the fight with a single wound. .Dead troops are left where they fell 'til the fight is over. On the topic of "Assault Weapon" the term has no formal definition. The term "Assault Rifle" does; that is defined as an intermediate caliber (ie, smaller and lighter than a standard battle rifle - nowadays the 7.62 or .30 caliber rifle, but larger than a pistol round), fully automatic or selective fire (either full automatic or semi-auto at the discretion of the shooter) rifle designed to be employed by "shock troops" rather than ordinary infantry. The M-2 carbine in WWII was probably the last American rifle to fit that description before the original M-16, first issued in Vietnam. After that the selective fire option was removed and a modern version only fires semi-auto or in 3-round bursts. The Russian AK-47 and AK-74 both fit the description, because they are both capable of both semi- and full-automatic operation fire, and both use a round smaller and lighter than a regular battle rifle like the old M-1 Garand or M-14. These however, are not for sale to the public in the US and those we buy here are only capable of semi-auto fire (ie, pull the trigger and it fires once).
Army Medic in Germany
Monday, August 6, 2012 at 6:57 PM
5.56 due to its low mass tumbles once it enters the body. Shoot a man in the chest and the round may leave his leg. 7.62 is more likely to go strait through. The U.S. also hasn't fought a war agents a force that had body armor, no point using more than 5.56 on a guy wearing cotton.
oldshooter in San Antonio, TX
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 at 5:16 PM
Greg - you might want to do some research before engaging your keyboard. The fact is, the very "responsible gun owners, sprotsmen, and hobbyists" you refer to, are the ones who have made the AR platform rifle the most popular rifle in the country today, by a significant margin, with the AK platform not far behind in popularity. The AR rifles are commonly used by thousands of us in national competitions, for hunting, and for target and other sport shooting. The idea that a rifle could "serve no useful purpose except for military combat" is ridiculous on its face. The exact same qualities that make a rifle suitable for miltary service also make it suitable for hunting and other field shooting. In fact, EVERY popular american hunting rifle since the Civil War, started out as a military rifle, including the lever-action carbine after the Civil War, the bolt-action 30'06 after WWI, and the AR and AK platforms after Vietnam and the current mideast conflicts. By your apparent reasoning, hunting should revert to the use of single-shot rifles from the 1870s because no one "needs" multiple shots for hunting ,and in fact, since our ancestors hunted successfully with bow and arrow, we really don't need rifles at all. Even if your argument were correct in regard to hunting, the 2nd Amendment isn't about hunting, it's unequivocally about defending ourselves against others with access to military grade weapons. The SCOTUS "Miller" decision in the mid-1930s held that so called "sawed off" shotguns were subject to regulation exactly because they were NOT something typically used by the military (and therefore, were not suitable for use by "the militia', which, in turn exempted them from protection under the 2nd Amendment). This decision clearly implies that any weapon likely to be used by the military IS protected under the 2d Amendment for use by the "Militia" which consists of the able-bodied citizenry generally.
oldshooter in San Antonio, TX
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 at 5:28 PM
The problem with blaming the culture, the media, etc., for the Aurora shooting, is simply the fact that, of the millions who are daily subjected to our "cultural violence" almost none of us embrace it as personal behavior. If the media, the moveis, or widely popular video-games are responsible for turning us into killers, how does one explain its almost total ineffectiveness? Obviously the vast majority of those subjected to this cultural onslaught do NOT turn violent. If we embrace Ms. Noonan's POV, we must then explain why this is the case. Frankly, if the culture is the culprit, then it is much harder to explain why many, many, more of us do NOT become violent and act out as Mr. Holmes did, than it is to explain his personal behavior as an individual psychological aberration.
Jim in Alabama
Saturday, July 28, 2012 at 10:57 AM
Cultures rise and fall, but they rise again, from a remnant of the rational and faithful. The only good news about evil is that it is self terminating. The practitioners of debauchery all, ultimately, "do a Ledger". It is amazing how clear a perspective Ms. Noonan has on the culture and the evil forces driving it, and yet misses by a moral mile the insidious intent of Obama and Company. She should revisit the most telling political poster from the 2008 election, in which the Joker make-up, that Mr Ledger wore, adorned the visage of our now fearless leader. Hollywood merely produces the mythology that spins our downward spiral. Obama's crew are the actual perpetrators, luring each consecutive fool or set of fools into collusion with the theft and murder of a nation, and then discarding them when they've served their purpose. Start with the Most Reverend Wright, then Oprah, then the Kennedy's, then the Crony Capitalists, then the Blacks, then the Hispanics, then the Catholics, then the Heterosexuals. Each clown completing its flattering part before getting the bullet. But the worse thing Ms. Noonan sees is that Obama, regretfully, seems increasingly insincere, which might, perhaps, limit his effectiveness as the healer she still, seemingly, imagines him to be. You're an interesting study in brilliance and blindness, dear Peg of our hearts. May God bless you. And may he open your eyes, to not only the seeming of evil, but to the fact of it.
wjm in Colorado
Saturday, July 28, 2012 at 1:08 PM
Obama in the Joker makeup really does say it all, and so simply, even a liberal might understand it... well maybe not.
Richard Ryan in Lamar,Missouri
Saturday, July 28, 2012 at 12:12 PM
Peggy, a very good article for the most part. My only critical observation is that Obama was not sincere from the very start. I saw through the half-breed idiot the very first time I heard him speak.
Robinius in Broomfield, Colorado
Sunday, July 29, 2012 at 1:14 AM
Why do you call Obama a "half-breed idiot?" I dismissed your comment as that of a racist as I was reading it. If you want to be taken seriously, next time replace "the half-breed idiot" with "him." You would make your point without racism and hate. BTW I am 64 years old and voted for McCain in 2008. I have never, ever, voted for a Democrat..
Scotch62 in O-town FL
Sunday, July 29, 2012 at 12:43 PM
Yeah Richard, many of us are of mixed breed, myself included, and we can't be held responsible for our breed. Of course,he should be held responsible for his creed, and this marxist idiot has got to go.
Scotch62 in O-town FL
Sunday, July 29, 2012 at 12:47 PM
To clarify, by creed I meant political creed. :-)
sunforester in left coast
Saturday, July 28, 2012 at 12:26 PM
Ever notice that we always look at every place for blame for bad things happening except the place where it truly belongs? We went through this whole exercise when Jared Loughner shot Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. Anything that could have a finger pointed at it was blamed for Loughner's violent acts, except for Loughner himself and those around him who knew and were responsible for him.
Loughner had a long history of mental illness and aggressive acts, and our law enforcement refused to send him where he could be treated adequately and kept out of harm's way. Our culture didn't produce Loughner, but it sure made a great opportunity for everyone to take shots at our culture with no constructive result, just like now.
Like Loughner, Colorado shooter James Holmes was an accident waiting to happen. He was a adopted son of a demanding, achievement-driven father, and was under long-term psychiatric care to help him adjust to this overwhelming pressure before he broke and started acting out his rage.
Now comes another pundit happy to take shots at our culture, generating a great deal of heat but not the light we need. Noonan does us no favors by promoting and encouraging unthinking, emotional fear when everything points to a calm, reasonable conclusion. We need to be aware of our fellow humans who are close to breaking down and causing damage to themselves and those around them.
Noonan joins her fellow media entertainers by extending the horror and thrills that we not only enjoy in the movies but fascinate us in real life. It is as if she is happy to add more ghoulish entertainment value to what is already playing well from Hollywood. The fog of unreality settles in with a movie and doesn't go away when the movie is over, thanks to people like Noonan.
Will we get better awareness of our mentally ill people and what they need to get help? No. Will we be able to better recognize the danger signals and act appropriately? No. Will our mentally ill people be exploited as cruel entertainment and boogeymen to make our media offerings more exciting and compelling? Absolutely yes.
Noonan, you should be ashamed of yourself.
JJStryder in Realville
Saturday, July 28, 2012 at 1:04 PM
Peggy was simply pointing out a possible contributing factor to violence in America, not absolving the perpetrators of this violence. She used common sense to come to her observation. Don't you think that our culture is bloated with over sexed and over violent content? I certainly do. I'd like to see a little more balance in our leisure pursuits from the entertainment industry. As opposed to the endless supply of the ugly.
Adrien Nash in Crescent City, CA
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 at 6:06 AM
What's wrong with you? Your subjective bias bends the light of reason in your mind. "to help him adjust to this overwhelming pressure before he broke and started acting out his rage." What rage? He wasn't angry. He was psychotic and delusional. He identified with madness. He gloried in imitating it. If "he broke" then why didn't he finish the job of alleviating himself of his "rage" and kill himself? It's because he wasn't driven by rage, but by the siren song of megalomaniac power, i.e., the thrill of playing GOD. "Now comes another pundit happy to take shots at our culture" "Happy"? Really? Her principle motive was the happiness of questioning the values and perverse creations of today's slimy world? That's what motivated her? I suggest you check you personal smear tendencies at the door before embarking on a rational analysis.
"We need to be aware of our fellow humans who are close to breaking down" So....we all need to be professional psychologists and diagnose the people we know who might simply seem odd? How in the world can you propose that ordinary people should catch, report, mitigated, or alter drives and actions that even his psychiatrist was unable to prevent?
Citizencal in SoCal
Saturday, July 28, 2012 at 1:27 PM
Peg does it again - another insightful observation of our culture - with warts and all! Interesting to see how the Libs want to jump to attack - with their baseless rhetoric, as usual. Fortunately, truth and common sense will prevail. Now, on to November with the battlecry: Elections matter! Kick the bums out! Back to the Constitution. No more liars!
Tex Horn in Texas
Saturday, July 28, 2012 at 2:07 PM
I've had the opportunity to teach numerous people how to safely handle firearms and how to shoot. To the uninitiated, I usually start the first lesson by carefully placing a loaded firearm on the table and ordering it to kill one of the trainees. It won't, of course, but the point is made. Guns do not kill people, but guns in the hands of the deranged certainly can. So where is the problem? With the gun? Or, with the deranged? So logical, so clear, yet law-abiding citizens are the ones who pay for one man's deranged state. Since that's totally illogical, I can only conclude that the notion of gun control is an act of political correctness, which usually follows any kind of horrific event.
Abu Nudnik in Canada
Sunday, July 29, 2012 at 11:57 AM
Who couldn't be horrified by Ledger's horrible acting as The Joker? Me. I was just disgusted. It was poor acting, writing and directing. I was asleep about 5 minutes in. It was so "exciting" (hype) it bored me to tears. "The Ring," on the other hand, was truly terrifying.
Hundreds of millions of people have been killed in the past hundred years. Killed in wars, murdered by despots, purposely starved to death. A society would have to be psychotic not to produce horror movies. Just where do you suppose our fears are to go? Not to mention the breakdown of the religious ethos that once calmed our fears about our own natural individual mortalities.
It's true that there are deranged people among us and your friend is right. Why hasn't senseless mirth erupted due to comedy? Maybe it has. We just don't notice it because it's not threatening.
CitizenCal in SoCal
Sunday, July 29, 2012 at 1:23 PM
Peg, as she often does, provides interesting insights into todays meanderings in culture and specifically politics. Bravo for her! But, more kudos to her great readers who often offer much more insight into the topic du jure. So, I say again, Kudos, readers, kudos for providing more info and entertainment. Keep reading and keep responding. I'm just sayin'.
Gregory Spearing in Yakima Washington
Sunday, July 29, 2012 at 6:24 PM
My comment on the Bible is to indicate that we...most of us...were raised to believe in the glory of the exodus. Killing the first born for example. Why that monstrous act and blame it on God? Couldn't God have caused the Egyptians to sleep for a week instead?
Same with the promised land. Why didn't God lead Moses to an island where no genocide was involved? The point is this is a bloody and violent culture and easy access to quick firing weapons is irresponsible.
I have owned many rifles, shotguns and side arms and have been a member of the NRA. I've never been aware of a need for quick firing weapons with high capacity clips to suit any legitimate purpose.
OKBecky in Tulsa, OK
Thursday, August 2, 2012 at 2:16 AM
Gregory, you'd be hard pressed to find a culture that ISN'T (or hasn't been) bloody and violent. It is a human failing, and cultures, being built by humans, share in that failure. As for the death of the first born of all the Egyptians, that was the last and most terrible plague or curse; God didn't start with it. He (through Moses) gave Pharaoh 9 other chances before that, followed by increasingly severe plagues. Each time, Pharaoh said, "Okay, I'll let the Israelites go," and each time, Pharaoh broke his word. Ultimately, God is the Judge, and he knows the hearts of men, and (I believe) used this last plague to demonstrate to Pharaoh that no, Pharaoh was NOT God and did not have ultimate say over life and death. But if Pharaoh had let the Israelites go with the first - or even the ninth - request, then all those firstborn of the Egyptians would have lived.
Secondly, in the Book of Mormon, 1 Nephi 17:32-35, we get a further examination of the destruction of the Canaanites by the Israelites:
32 And after they had crossed the river Jordan he did make them mighty unto the driving out of the children of the land, yea, unto the scattering them to destruction. 33 And now, do ye suppose that the children of this land, who were in the land of promise, who were driven out by our fathers, do ye suppose that they were righteous? Behold, I say unto you, Nay. 34 Do ye suppose that our fathers would have been more choice than they if they [the previous inhabitants] had been righteous? I say unto you, Nay. 35 Behold, the Lord esteemeth all flesh in one; he that is righteous is favored of God. But behold, this people had rejected every word of God, and they were ripe in iniquity; and the fulness of the wrath of God was upon them; and the Lord did curse the land against them, and bless it unto our fathers; yea, he did curse it against them unto their destruction, and he did bless it unto our fathers unto their obtaining power over it.
So was it genocide (the intentional destruction of a race or religion because of human prejudice)? Or was it punishment by God for willful and persistent wickedness? Perhaps it depends on your point of view. However, the Israelites spent 40 years in the desert because they were unwilling to move into Canaan, and this angered God. And eventually the Kingdom of Israel and then the Kingdom of Judah were conquered and destroyed (the people scattered, though, not all killed) because they in their turn refused to obey God.
Gregory Spearing in Yakima Washington
Sunday, July 29, 2012 at 6:32 PM
And by all appearances biz wiz Mitt Romney can't defeat a black guy with a poor economy. Mitt goes to London and gets these headlines "Mitt the twit" and "party pooper Mitt"
If you're really concerned about budget deficits we can cut 400 billion in industrial welfare and still have a larger defense budget that the next 14 defense budgets combined. This from Republican Alan Simpson http://www.politifact.com/ohio/statements/2011/dec/05/alan-simpson/alan-simpson-says-us-military-spending-outpaces-to/
Bruce R Pierce in Owensboro, Ky
Monday, July 30, 2012 at 1:53 PM
“Once parents could take a break at night, park the kids in front of the TV and let the culture baby-sit. Not anymore. Our culture, they know, is their foe." --columnist Peggy Noonan.” Peggy that has always been the problem, not so much the violence in the media, that is but a reflection of the violence in the world, it's the parents that choose not to parent by sitting with their children and talking about the issues while just sending them to school for further indoctrination. I myself have to laugh at the "do-gooders" who harp on the evils of certain music while at the same time during "prime time TV" the music to the song "Suicide is Painless" was being played every night. Let’s first take responsibility for our actions and inactions before unloading onto someone else.
Adrien Nash in Crescent City, CA
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 at 6:24 AM
I hear where you're coming from. At the beginning of every episode of MASH I would turn the sound off so I would not be exposed to the poisonous sugar-coated lullaby of "Suicide Is Painless". Like some kind of psychological opiate, that song was a siren song for the lonely isolated suicidal Vietnam Vet. And what do we hear of today? That a middle-east War Vet commits suicide every day. Culture can provide triggers, and that song was one of them back in its day. During the Depression there was a song so depressing that 11 people committed suicide after listening to it during its weekend debut. They then had to ban it from the airwaves.
oldshooter in San Antonio, TX
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 at 6:20 PM
I believe the song you are referring to was "Gloomy Sunday" and it is now legal to play it on the air. It's actually a pretty good song. Banning it as they did back then was probably a gross over-reaction. People who are suicidal generally do not get "pushed over the edge" by something like listening to a song. There are basically two types of suicides: those who plan it ahead of time (who are usually depressed),and those who do it impulsively, without planning (which is more common among people with other types of disorders, like Borderline Personality Disorder, substance abusers who become impulsive under the influence, etc.). The concept of suicide "triggers" is still pretty speculative, although there are certainly events that set off the impulsive types, there remains an unanswered question if they are entirely idiosyncratic and individual (ie, someone hearing "their song" right after a spouse died), or if there is some sort of generic type of "trigger" (ie, something like "Gloomy Sunday").
oldshooter in San Antonio, TX
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 at 6:46 PM
From a social perspective, I don't see much benefit in trying to understand "why" Mr. Holmes shot up the Aurora theater. From a practical POV there isn't anything much we, as a society, can do about it. There will always be some folks, psychotic, hateful, bigots, whatever, who will find themselves motivated to kill others "en masse" (as opposed to shooting the guy you found in bed with your wife - something typically covered under the 2nd Degree Murder rules). The mass shooter has historically used a venue in which he could be relatively sure he would find victims unable or unwilling to fight back, From Major Hassan in Ft. Hood, to Mr. Holmes in Aurora, they picked target rich, "Gun Free Zones," for their depredations. Since this typically occurs where there is no effective security or LEO presence, it is obvious that only the intended victims will be pressent at the outset, thus, only they can possibly be counted on to stop the event at the outset. Stopping the event would require that at least some, of the intended victims be able to respond immediately with armed resistance. That typically means that some of them will have to be armed, presumably carrying concealed. Thus, it follows that the one thing we CAN do as a society, to help stop future attempts at mass murder, is to make it more likely there will be those among any social gathering that are legally carrying concealed (the guys you want to rely on will (almost universally) refuse to carry illegally; If guns are banned, they will just stay away or come unarmed. So what is needed, is to make carrying a gun in public places easier and more socially acceptable. I for one, fail to see why private property rights can trump my right to self-defense. But if we can force private property owners to respect the rights of people in wheelchairs to have access to their property (and we do), then the same rationale can be used to justify forcing them to respect the rights of armed patrons to carry on their premises. Disarming me does not, and cannot, enhance my safety; it can only enhance the safety of potential wrongdoers in my vicinity.