We are no different than the good Germans who looked the other way while men, women, and children were being hauled away to their deaths. Except now it's just children...

Well said, Marcus! But be patient: the old and "deficient" are next.

I'm simply amazed at the left's mind-set -

Late term abortions? - "Okie-doke". The death penalty? - "Heaven forbid!" (they might even use the term heaven, too).

If it weren't for double standards the left wouldn't have any.

Abortionists, people who believe in abortion ideology, never say the word "choice" among themselves. They say "abortion rights".

They have no real concern with choice.

What they mean is "abortion's right".

I can't say anything good about abortion but if I had to, I'd say that most people who have abortions are liberals and just think about all those other little liberals that might have been.

So, they're actually hurting their own voting base.

Abortion is, pure and simple, murder. Evan in cases where the mother`s health is at stake, it`s still murder. ct-tom has it nailed. Euthanasia of the old and infirm is programmed into Obamacare. When we legalized murder of the unborn we started on the slippery slope that leads to aborting of the useless and inconvenient old people. All it took was the election of the monster from Kenya and his cadre of useful idiots in the form of Pelosi and Reid.

Richard Ryan

Lamar,Missouri - Birthplace of Harry S Truman

It has never made any sense to me that abortion, which is legalized murder, is totally fine. But if a 1 minute old baby is smothered or left in a gagbage can to die then the mother is arrested for murder. The liberals are completely wrong and if a woman gets pregnant then she should never be allowed to kill her baby just because she couldn't control her urges. This has nothing to do with the rights of the mothers, it is simply a way out for irresponsible decisions. I have had to face the consequences of every decicision I have ever made, right or wrong. It's called responibility. We should be teaching people that they have to face responsibility, not run from or terminate it.

Until men give birth, men should NOT be telling women what they should or should not do with their bodies. My last 2 births were horrific c-sections that have caused me other health issues. I love my kids, and have since taken measures to never get pregnant again, but if I would have - I would have gotten an abortion.

Tracy, be sure to let those two children of yours know that, given your choice, you would have had them killed. They will love and respect you more when they know that.

Again, a man making a statement regarding something he can never do - become pregnant and give birth. So, for all you guys who think they can comment upon this issue - what do you say about spontaneous miscarriage? Isn't that God's form of abortion? I guess if all men are so versed on pregnancy and birth - maybe God chose the wrong sex for pregnancy. And Ed, I will tell my daughter's that I am GLAD they have an option!

well,well,well-Tracy now has re-written every biology book on the planet,apparently it takes only women to get pregnant,interesting,how does that happen exactly??No need for men,what do we know,we have no attachment to our unborn child,no rights at all,heartless,cruel bastards with no right to stand up for the unborn.Please let the father(s) of the children read your posts as well as your children and explain to them they are disposable and they weren't really children until when exactly???-Such tripe from a mother is pathetic.By the way,spontaneous miscarriage is a decision from God-I won't pretend to know his reasons.Your views on THE most amazing thing on the planet are apalling.And yes ,in case you are wondering I have experienced abortion-twice-worst thing in my whole life,I still struggle with forgiveness and can't help but wonder what if-so in conclusion you can take your sanctimonious,self-righteous bilge and stuff it

Yet another trivial comment from a man! You guys are full of it. Wow.

So Tracy, what's your take on the death penalty?

Tracy,

I found rippedchef's comments to be anything but trival. I know women who have had abortions and they suffer for the rest of their lives from guilt etc. My sister was one of those and her abortion was with the consent of two Dr.s and a phychiatrist in a hospital. This was early 1960's, 10 years before Roe vs Wade.

I had what we call a miscarriage which was not my "choice", that was over 50 years ago and it still makes me sad at times and I had nothing to do with it (the decision). The abortion vs death penalty has always confused me from the Liberal standpoint.

my comments are "trivial" and I'm "full of it"-I guess the exchange with her kids would go as follows:

child:mommy,why do you say I was a difficult baby?

tracy:honey,even though it was tough I'm so glad I had you,I love you to pieces

child:mommy,I heard you and daddy talking,when will my brother be here??

tracy:he won't be coming-I killed him

child:why did you kill him mommy??

tracy:I didn't want another difficult baby

child:are you gonna kill me too if I'm difficult mommy??

and I'm the jackwagon with the trivial views-right

Fellas, as I woman, I understand that there is pain in knowing that you may not have a choice in whether the woman carrying your child aborts it. I advise you to choose very carefully who you have sex with in that case. But to say that women have no control over their urges is rather like the pot calling the kettle black. As someone so aptly pointed out, it takes two to make a baby. And why do women often abort their babies? Because the male half of the baby-making equation doesn't want to take responsibility either!

I don't agree with abortion (sorry, Tracy), but until men start to assume responsibility to teach the younger generation of men that they need to restrain THEIR sexual urges until they get into a committed monogamous relationship, they have no right to criticise the women who would otherwise bear that childbearing responsibility alone.

So, why don't you start raising up a standard of righteousness! Start harassing your government about the ease of access to porn. Demand movies from Hollywood that don't depict promiscuity as being OK. Volunteer to talk to schools and church groups about the benefits of purity until marriage. Find an at-risk young man and mentor him. Spend time with your own sons teaching them to respect women. And have compassion for the women who often make a horrible choice under circumstantial and relational duress.

Hesitant as I am to wade into this, I am reminded of an article I read maybe 35 years ago in National Review. The author (a man as I recall, not that it matters) made the obvious point that Tracy makes: Only women have babies.

From the beginning of time, it has, therefore, been the woman who controls the mating process, both the choice of partner and the timing. If women, as they have done since) choose to approach sex as men do (whenever possible with whomever is available/willing), there will be horrible consequences. This discussion raises some of those consequences.

Women HAVE to say, "No!" If they allow themselves to be the same as us men (OK, pigs), the entire social order will collapse. Just look around.

Nicola,

According to you, when a man is in a committted, monogamous relationship, that gives him the right to protect his child from being murdered, while if he won't "take responsibility" for his child, you never have any recourse, and further more, you have the right to execute a third, totally innocent party as recompense!

NOT!

Here's the truth: even if married, a man has no say, no rights that can't be terminated by fiat, and is given no compassion, understanding, emotional support or even simple respect.

But if a man chooses to "not have a baby" because it is inconvenient to HIM, a woman can drag him into court and force him to fulfill at least his financial responsibilities.

Roe v Wade is not just a moral travesty, it seems to have destroyed both the moral and rational faculties of women.

But given them credit where credit is due: American women make Hitler look like an incompetent, lazy wastrel. He only managed to kill 6 million Jews, while American women have managed to murder almost 10 times as many, and all of them perfectly innocent.

My grandmother was right: A good woman is both rare, and a pearl of great price. Thank God I found one worth giving my life to, 'cause looking around, God was VERY good to me.

All - this is something that has gone on for ages and will continue to go on - regardless of Roe-v-Wade or back alley abortions. It all boils down to CHOICE! Men and women choose to have sex - there may be consequences. Women can have abortions, with or without their partner's consent; and men can be dragged into court to pay unwanted child support. There is no right or wrong answer here. People make decisions - they will be judged by the Maker at the end.

Tracy,

I'm glad you weren't my mother. Hope your girls acquire some moral absolutes (lines they will not cross) somewhere outside your home, and fast. Or, we'll all be paying the consequences of their bad decisions...apples don't fall far from their trees.

QueensJudyG - please don't make assumptive comments about people you don't even know. I was making a comment about people in general - not myself. The institution of marriage is dwindling as we speak. How many young couples live together before getting married? Men and women choose to have sex - there may be consequences. That is a given. Keep your holy attitude for Sundays @ church.

boggles my mind how a mother of 2 can look at their beautiful faces and say if it happened again I'd kill it and damn right you'll answer,if you make it

Well, I posted a retort to QueensJudyG, but it appears like my response was filtered. And rippedchef, let's see, the first time you have your stomach cut open and your uterus cut from end to end to get your baby out, and you get deathly ill from the anesthesia, then, and ONLY then can you make a comment about me and my children. Oh yea, you CAN'T make a comment as you don't have a uterus. And for the record, I have THREE daughters, and both my youngest ones were horrific c-sections. I don't understand why all of you feel you have to attack me personally for my pro-choice views. What happened to a spirited debate instead of a personal attack. Wow. What a sad group of people.

as a father of six and a "survivor" of 2 abortions from a previous marriage I have every right to my opinion regardless of your self-righteous and high handed comments-whats really sad is your inability to hear any opinions other than your own-"spirited" debate my eye, just how is murder supposed to be "debated"-just agree to disagree and go back to huffington post where you belong and use birth control,PLEASE