The problems true conservatives have with our political system are not with Democrats, but with pseudo-conservatives who lead us down the same path as liberals. I do not think that most Republicans understand what they believe or promote. Ever person claiming to be a conservative Constitutionalist should read, “The Ten Planks of Communism,” by Marx and Engels. An example is Glenn Beck who supports a flat tax on income of 12%. A tax on income is a Marxist principle (see #2 Plank in, “The Ten Planks of Communism), and a method of wealth redistribution. Phony conservatives consist of most “media talking-heads,” Newt Gingrich (member of CFR and Bilderberg Group), and the so called conservative icon, Ronald Reagan (check his record – raised taxes 6 times while reducing them once, increased deficits, and debt, and closed many S&L because of phony tax reform legislation; and much more).

What do you represent? Are you fooled into thinking you are anti-Marxist, but really support Marxist principles without knowing it?

According to verified sources, the GOP is already well along in reneging on its plan to repeal Obamacare. Just as the Democrats swore to repeat the Patriot Act - and left it in place for the power it generates to government - the GOP will follow suit with "healthcare reform" so even if we "vote the bums out" in 2010, there will just be new bums taking their place.

The system is broken beyond repair.

Has Obama never heard of Neville Chamberlain??

As concerned as I am for the issues that you raise and as committed as I am as a US citizen (served 10 years in US Naval Submarine Force), I cannot sign because as a Christian, the word of God differs in certain areas that you advocate we stand against. In particular, "that to secure these Rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, and that whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it."

Governments have been instituted among men by God, according to Scripture, and they derive their power, according to Scripture, from God, not from the consent of the governed (Romans Chapter 13). In that same chapter we are only given one recommendation: be obedient. I realize that you are a Christian and that many Christians struggle in this area, but my friend, the only allowance that Scripture gives for disobedience to ruling governments is if they try to stop you from preaching (Acts 4:19-20). Then your only recourse is to continue preaching and suffer the punishment, not to rebel.

I am red-blooded, mad and at the point of armed revolt myself, but the admonition of the Word of God doesn't leave me an option to rebel. I leave you to consider my words of encouragement, friend. I enjoy your writing and understand your passion. God bless you as follow His will for your life.

Wally Roderick

Mr. Alexander,

I am never disappointed in your Thursday essays. As always, you have delivered a home-run here!

You are one of the few Conservative writers I highly recommend to my friends and also to my enemies.

Long Live the Republic.

http://www.conservativefirestorm.blogspot.com/

-The Supreme Court ruled that First Amendment rights meant to protect the free speech of people also apply to corporations like Exxon($40,000,000,000 profit last year), one of many multi-national corporations that can now spend as much they want attacking or promoting candidates in our elections.(A share holder like a Saudi prince can infuence our political system) "We "were" a country of the PEOPLE, by the PEOPLE and for the PEOPLE!" Now we have lost what Teddy Roosevelt, a Republican, had secured for us 100 years ago. Your SUPREMIST COURT gave away the farm to the land barrons and unless there is an amendment, America is to become a PLUTOCRTACY! We are no longer a Democratic Republic! Your vote will be over ridden by multi-nationalistic interests! THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP!

We are now being reduced to just a few options as freemen on the land. Either submit to the ever-growing Socialist regime, or.....what?

I hesitate to mention the obvious. The only OTHER alternative is to prosecute Obama, his Czars, and the leaders of Congress under Constitutional law as being outlaws or traitors. 3 options- I prefer the 3rd, but where, who, and WHEN will Constitutional law be applied?

A possible petition template:

Affirmation of Constitutional Authority

When the government of the United States of America fails to meet its constitutional obligations and duties, or resolves to function beyond the domain of its defined powers and authority, it is essential that the governed use their authority to correct and constrain misappropriations of such power. Whether by birth or naturalization citizens are bound to protect and defend the Constitution, and thus citizens must exercise given rights and responsibilities to identify breaches of constitutional authority should they arise. If any element of the federal government operates outside the restrictions imposed by the Constitution the people have an obligation to pursue corrective measures.

Experience has shown, as the writers of the Declaration of Independence clearly understood, that people are willing to suffer abuses rather than disrupt the routines to which they are accustomed. Prosperity and a multitude of distractions may create the illusion that the people are indifferent regarding pursuits of control, power and self-preservation by those who govern. Acknowledgement of abuse may not occur until such time individuals are personally impacted, and even then conscious recognition of a relationship between abuses and government excesses may not be identified.

There is a threshold to which people will endure the deaf ears of those elected. The people may reasonably expect their servants to uphold the precepts of the document that defines the limits and rights for the government and the people. However, the temptations of power can whet appetites leading to a disregard for the rules and rights codified in the Constitution. Neglect of the Constitution is neglect of the people. A trust lost is not easily redeemed. Compromised boundaries of power and authority cannot be ignored.

Gradual assumption of powers not delegated to the legislative, executive, or judicial branches of the United States government occur through implementing laws, invoking orders, or crafting judgments contrary to what is in fact allowed by the Constitution. The corruptive nature of power may lead those elected to believe that altruistic motives drive their actions. Selfish tendencies are reinforced when a party becomes the majority in any branch or level of local, state, or national governmental bodies. When one party finds itself in control both houses of Congress and the Executive branch that party will be predisposed to define their fortunes as a mandate of the electorate, but this does not give that party license to reinterpret or bend the meaning of the Constitution to suit their passions. A mandate, even if based on the will of the people, does not supersede the Constitution.

We now find the United States of America under the circumstances just describe; that is, a federal government with power concentrated in one party. In his farewell address George Washington warned posterity of the dangers inherent in the “sprit of party.” Regrettably neglect of his warnings has now produced governance taking the form of autocratic rule. Fortunately the people have within their power the means to change course.

In their wisdom the Framers made provisions for altering and instituting new government through amendments and elections, thus reducing the potential to abolish or replace the institutions as originally designed. Their insight also resulted in the first amendment to the Constitution, a statement that remains provocative in its content and in its placement as the preeminent amendment. The final clause of this amendment grants the right of the people to petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The Constitution is an instrument of the people and of the states, and the states necessarily have a vested interest in petitions directed to the federal government, especially if grievances expose violations pertaining to issues of state sovereignty. State legislative entities should be party to any grievances directed at the federal government since the federal government’s powers and authorities are granted and ratified by the states. Therefore any petition should also be directed to legislatures of the States.

We the people of the United States of America reaffirm that the Constitution is the law of our nation. The Constitution remains the sole document that defines and authorizes the rights and restrictions of the federal government of the United States of America, and of the people. It is not a living document subject to whims of interpretation by any branch of the federal government. The states and the people remain the ultimate arbiters of implementation. Ultimately the states hold the right of approval for the Constitution and amendments to the same, but it is up to the people to recognize an infringement of their liberties. We the people must exercise our rights to remind those who serve in the federal government that they do so at the will of the people.

The hour has arrived for the people to submit a petition of grievances to be redressed by the government of the United States of America. We the people, do hereby submit the following list of acts and actions we deem as contrary to the purpose and content of the Constitution of the United States of America that have been implemented and/or enforced by the legislative, executive and judicial branches of the government these United States. Failure to respond and address said grievances may be stipulated as a violation of the oath of office and subject offending executive, legislative, and/or judicial representatives to public legal and/or disciplinary actions, including removal from office as allowed for by the Constitution of the United States of America.

I loathe to be as defeatest as Lady Val, above, no criticism intended. For the sake of ourselves and future generations, the Obamacrats must be defeated, and we must all steadfastly maintain that mindset.

Remember that as the Obamacrats' process of socializing the country continues, more and more Americans will be included in the roles of government dependents, via entitlements, for that is how socialists gain their majorities. The deadbeats among us will typically keep voting for those who promise more handouts. But ultimately, history shows that this results in an overall degradation of society, lack of productivity, and sharply restricted liberties, for all, including the dependents but except the ruling class. The dependents must be made to understand this and conservatives must move to legislatively abolish the original mistake of government instituted entitlements. All entitlements must go.

It is in acknowledging this, that I realize that Mark Alexander's goal to educate the people is a noble and potentially fruitful one. People need to know what's in store for them on the Obamacrats' path.

And, adding to Mark's goal, people need the up-front perspective of just what has happened. THE OBAMACRATS ARE INSUBORDINATE TO THE PEOPLE. This is not the year 1800, in which, due to crude communication methods by today's standards, our leaders could claim that they didn't fully know the will of the people. No. This is now, when all the major polls show that the majority of Americans reject Obamacrat policies. And the Obamacrats know this! Yet they continue to violate our will. This is undeniable and intolerable.

My family survived the depression, WW 2, and all my siblings are mesmerized by Obama. I am the family outcast because i am conservative. I weep for my family...they trade freedom for the oeace of "slavery" Wisdom, understanding and knowledge are critical for an informed citizenry. Obama and my siblings lack wisdom and understanding.

Wally,

I also believe that all authority comes from God. However I believe there is no authority for most the recent actions of our federal government and therefore nothing to respect. My boss can tell me all manner of things related to how I go about my bussiness and I will abide to the best of my ability as unto the Lord. However, if he directs me to do something illegal or immoral I will refuse based on the grounds that he doesn't have the authority to do so. Same as the federal government does not have the authority to take from one to give to another. I too pray for peaceful restoration earnestly but would not consider it sinful to reject unauthorized intrusions to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness.

Your Brother.

On the issue of civil disobedience; what would happen if all conservatives, libertarians and anyone else who wanted to participate, increased their W4 dependents to say, 10? What if we were so unified that we defunded the tyrants in DC and at least temporarily prevented them from financing their leftist agenda? I'm sure they would simply borrow more money and even dream up some new social programs, but wouldn't it give them a wake up call? Then, with all of the extra money in our paychecks, we could implement phase 2 of our unified plan. Buy guns and ammo.

Your permission, Sir?; "I have spent my adult life in defense of, and in humble service to, the cause of freedom, and I have gained a great appreciation for liberty; primarily as a result of having been in many places where there was no acknowledgement of basic rights to self-determination."

Thank you. You have said exsctly my own experience. I keep my battalion informed, and we continue to support your effort.

I stand and applaud you Wally Roderick on your grasp of sound doctrine. I only hope I have the spiritual maturity and self control to hold fast. Hebrews 4:12!

Mr. Roderick,

Romans 13 must be read is context or you will have "doctrine" that is "fragmented".

Romans 13:3,4, "For rulers are not a terror to GOOD works, but to the EVIL. Wilt thou then not be afraid of the power? Do that which is GOOD, and thou shalt have praise of the same:

For he is a minister of God to thee for GOOD. But if thou do that which is EVIL, be afraid; for he beareth not the sword in vain: for he is the minister of God, a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth EVIL." The principle is clear. Government was to be"a Terror to evil" and " a revenger to execute wrath upon him that doeth EVIL".

I read your post closely and I think you are wanting to be "conscientious" and I think you are serious about your Christian testimony. But the interpretation of Romans 13 has had such "violence done to it" that it is appalling.

You might want to read the glorious testimony of WWI Soldier, Alvin York, he struggled with this and was valiant for God and his Beloved Country. He had to "overcome" but the Lord settled his mind after an "all night prayer meeting." Once, Mr. York was turned loose, well, most folks "know the rest of the story" All Glory to God and that is who Sgt. York gave the Glory to. God gave him name which has been written down in annuals of History, because Sgt. York obeyed God.

The "OLD Testament" proves Exodus 15:3, "The Lord is a man of war: the Lord is his name." God is a mighty Warrior against the wicked, yesterday, today, and forever.

You are free to "preach" because Valiant Soldiers were willing to pay a price. You say you are a Veteran, "Well Done, Sir".

May I suggest to you a small book, "They Preached Liberty". The Preachers of the Founding Fathers were not "pacifists". You will never find this "strange interpretation of Romans 13" in their sermons. Liberty is God-given and that's why such noble State mottoes such as New Hampshire's, "Live Free or Die" were assigned.

"Be not weary in well doing, for due time You shall reap." That's a Promise from God.

For God & Country

Ruth Ann Wilson

"I am not brave enough to be a coward"

Ayn Rand in response to the growth of Stateism and her unflagging defense of our heritage.

One of the best Patriot Posts. Keep up the wonderful work that you do. In the words of Sarah Palin, "Don't Retreat, Reload."

Talk, talk, talk. All we ever do is talk. It is about time that some action takes place. The Tea Party folks have at least marched and chanted. There is a tax-payer protest on April 15th, and the 2nd ammendment marches on the 19th of April. At least that's doing something. My family is taking the day off work to protest on the 19th because our protest is more important than our comfort. Rick has a Plan 2, remember that there are more individual gun owners in America than all the standing armies on earth. That's a pretty impressive number. How many will stand and deliver in a rebellion and hang separetly or together in defense of their freedom? Not many; they are too concerned with their own safety and comfort.

When I filed income tax this year, the net result was that I was owed $85 from the Fed; I 'owed' $51 to the state (IL). I sent an unsigned check to Illinois' Dept. of Revenue, along with this note: "You will note that enclosed check which represents the amount I 'owe' in state tax lacks my signature. The reason for that lack lies with a "system" that has foisted on the American people (against their will) a socialistic legislation that allows/supports/pays for the malicious murder of innocents in the womb and, further, will consign my children, grandchildren and great grandchildren to the status of slave-laborers to endow the system so that it can function in such a malignent malfeasance. As soon as the legislation is rescinded, I will be happy to affix my signature to the draft so that it will be negotiable. Truly yours,"

I think we all need to stand up for what we believe. I think Constituional Law needs to be applied now, before this gets any futher out of hand.

As Keith Hamilton mentions above, indeed more will become dependent on the government: not just as objects of charity but also, and more insidiously, as employees. As in any business the bureaucrats administer the value produced by others. In a commercial enterprise administrative 'overhead' must be balanced against production. When the overhead exceeds the capacity of the producers the business must change or die. Economics 101. USA, Inc is far down that well trodden democratic (small d) path. God help us.

GREAT article... "Restoration or Revolution"? How about "Nation Reclamation"?

you words are stirring, but do not reach far enough. I suggest, nay urge, that you direct maximum efforts to reach the TEACHERS OF OUR NEXT GENERATION.

This will likely require an assault on the current education system, the Unions that control it and the education departments of the institutions that produce those teachers. This will not be easy or quick, but it is essential if we are to be victorious in the long run.

If you doubt this, observe the educational results that are now being produced!

Reader Roderick (April 8, 2010 at 11:42:02 AM) certainly seems sincere, but is sadly misinformed. ". . . a government of the people, for the people and by the people . . ." WE are the government!, and yes, we are divinely ordained. The institutions that serve us (federal, state and local governments) are but our own employees. They are NOT "the government!!" They report to us, not we to them. We have assigned to them certain functions that we would ordinarily perform ourselves, but which, as individuals, it seems better for an organization to undertake (such as providing a standing army). However, the inmates have taken over the asylum. It is time to move the asylum to a new building.

Occasionally I play solitaire on my computer. I'll say "Next I need a black three" or "I need a red ten." Sometimes I say "I need a black king," and I realize that "I already have a black king. He's in Washington." The king's army should be deposed in 2010, and he should be dethroned in 2012. Enough of this creeping encroachment.

While I agree in principle with Wally Roderick's comments, I think it would behoove all of us reading today's Alexander's Essay to check out this excellent commentary: http://www.visandvals.org/The_Social_Justice_Fallacy.php

It certainly supports MY view that governments should not be forcing us to anything that limits our God-given free will and to freely use those talents God has given us all! The current administration's actions are contratictory and hypocritical to the rhetoric spewed by the smooth-talking President. Evil governments are still evil, and no one with God-given talents and abilities should allow evil to flourish. I myself - a staunch Conservative - will continue to educate those who blindly serve as 'sheeple' and lead by Conservative Christian example!

Although I moved to Uruguay more than a year ago and hope to become a citizen of Uruguay in a few years, I just donated to your cause because I fear that if United States is destroyed the whole world is doomed. I do not hold out much hope for a peaceful change of direction for the country.

In response to Wally Roderick.

The Shepard and sheep dog do not sit idly by while the wolves devour the sheep. In the instance where there is an attack by predators against the Shepard and sheep sometimes deadly force is used. To do otherwise is an affront to the abilities God has given us to defend the flock.

This is similar to the situation we find our self in today with an out of control government. To sit idly by while a tyrannical government advocates not only a transformation of a free republic to a socialist state. Legislating morality or the lack thereof and eliminating the very principles of Christian life from our public domain as well as government, requires us not to bow down and kiss the boots of those who would subrogate us but to rise up and defend that which is essential to the liberty that enables us to be free to worship and live as a free people without the yoke of an overbearing corrupt governmental tyranny.

Dear Sir:

The die is already cast, the restoration has begun.

Consult the Restore American web site and get in on something (probably the only thing) that can allow us to take back our country.

Greg

To Wally Roderick:

If your reasoning is sound, then the establishment of the United States was immoral and wrong.

On this day in 1952, President Truman seized the steel industry to avert a nationwide

strike. (The U.S. Supreme Court later ruled that Truman had overstepped

his authority.)

How do you say Government Motors?

Mark, As I am sure you must know, errors in word usage do matter, they do make a difference, sometimes subtle. I refer to the paragraph before your quote of Ronald Reagan's 1964 speech. The word "Democratic" re "Party" is wrong. There is nothing democratic about the democrat party now. Think about it. Define democrat, democratic, and democracy. This is a very common misusage of terms.Thomas Jefferson must be spinning in his grave over the abuse of his party today! We are a republic. Keep up the good work.

Earlier this week I was dragged into a conversation about how great our current leader is. I was very hesitant to enter into this conversation as it included several work contacts (2 new co-workers and the head of my current company). I simply stated that They hadn't followed the laws of the land and had gone about it all wrong. One of my new co-workers and I ended up in a several hour long discussion which finally came around to, "Who reads the Constitution anyways?", being uttered by him. I let him know that I would bring it in for him to read tomorrow. I brought in a copy of Essential Liberties and look forward to what conversations this will help with.

Our elected (??)leaders have forgotten "We The People" They feel that they have to think for us. Well,we can think for ourselves and especially at the ballot box!!

Unfortunately, it is illegal not to pay your taxes. Constitutional arguments about spending won't stop it while the big spenders are in Congress. And, Jefferson and Adams' comments aside, now is not the time for violent revolt against Washington. What it IS time to do is get out and support good candidates, vote for them in the upcoming primaries, and then vote again in the national election. In my opinion, every Democrat and many Republicans need to be voted out, whether in primaries or in the general election. I'm lucky - my district has three good candidates in the upcoming Republican primary for my district in Virginia; some folks may have less opportunity to support good candates.

Bob, watch out they will get you for workplace harrasement. James Madison call your office.

As is the case with so many others who haven't done their homework, you have joined the long line of erroneous reporters who insist that the American Revolutionary War began with the battles of Concord and Lexington. They were incredibly important, but they were not the first! In fact, the first battle of the American Revolutionary War was at what is now Point Pleasant, WV, October 10, 1774. The U. S. Congress agreed, with an act on February 17, 1908, in concert with other state and Federal governmental organizations. U. S. Army and other governmental entities, along with many SAR contingents, observe that battle's importance in Point Pleasant every year on or about the anniversary date.

This country was not founded upon majority rule; it was founded upon the rule of law.

The Constitution was created to place limits upon government to avoid majority mob rule AKA tyrannical democracy, to protect individual rights and freedom not define them

Our freedom, rights and limited government is constitutionally protected to prevent a ruling class from transforming our free republic into the rule of despotic dictates.

Our elected are required to take an oath to defend and protect the rule of law established by our Constitution. If our elected ignore the limits placed upon them and act outside the limits of our Constitution any illegal legislation does not carry the weight of law and should not be allowed to stand or followed by the governed.

When an elected government acts outside the legal limits place upon them and then enforce illegal legislation through the threat of force, fines and imprisonment we can no longer claim to be anymore than slaves if we allow such behavior by our representative government to stand.

The founders of our Constitutional government recognized that freedom and rights can be fragile when entrusted to leaders that have no limits and knew that there will always be those immoral few who will subvert our freedom for the intoxication of power. Knowing this the founder’s added simple protections for the citizens of our free Republic to retain our liberty when confronted with tyrannical abuse.

The citizens that value freedom have historically been slow to anger but let those who do not respect our Liberty and Rights be advised, although we have been relatively silent about previous abuses of power, we are not a population of sheep that will close our eyes when being lead to the slaughter of our liberty.

Although our out of control government has created a huge dependant class to assist in their subversion our liberty under the guise of public befit or common good even those who would not refuse a governmental handout will not accept the yoke of tyranny when brought to the current levels of governmental corruption, moral and national bankruptcy.

Although the government over the previous 50 plus years has repeatedly attempted to disarm the population of this Free Republic to protect their tyrannical power grab the citizens remain well armed and able to defend and restore our foundation of liberty. Let us first go to the ballot box.

I wonder why none of our conservative grassroots organizations are seemingly not willing to take the lead and organize the patriots of this country into a force to march on our representatives' local offices and demonstrate our message to them?

All they seemingly want to do is ask for donations, encourage us to write letters, send faxes, and make phone calls to our representatives. These tactics work ONLY if the representatives CARE what the voters / citizens want, and clearly our government cannot care LESS about that!!!

I've written several of these organizations, BEGGING them to take the lead in this, and I have not even received an acknowledgement of my letter or an explanation why this cannot be done, or why they won't do it!

Minorities, gays, and various splinter groups that don't make up 1/10th of 1% of the population get their agenda addressed...and here a MAJORITY of the citizens of this country cannot get their voice heard....

If you keep on doin' what you've been doin'...you're gonna keep on gettin' what you've been gettin'......

It ain't all that complicated, folks!

"To Wally Roderick:

If your reasoning is sound, then the establishment of the United States was immoral and wrong."

Not even close to the same thing, Julia.

I believe We have the People and some have already tried to lead by giving their lives to our Legal System...Their Sentence served by Our Judicial System and THE PEOPLE.

No one came forward with rifle in hand and cried out ONWARD.....That kind of chills the blood. You Guys who are ready.....Where AND When do we form-up.

I am 78 years old but I have a wagon all I need is someone to pull me....VHJ

TO Julia Gwin. You are correct!

Larry,

A grassroots uprising with no cental organization is so splintered that a tyrannical government cannot cut off the head. Our thoughts and ideals are not splintered and will manafest itself at the ballot box. Our elected ignore this combined voice about their uncontitutional actions at their political peril.

I am surprised at the response my comments received. Let me say that I am not for Obama's policies and I will exercise my right to vote as well as my right to free speech in denouncing all that he is doing to our country. My comment was based on signing a petition that clearly states a position that is against Scripture - and I do interpret it correctly.

The arguments that are being batted about here try to make the case that our "God-given rights" as described in the Constitution are a quotation from Scripture. I am simply making the point that it is not true. I am not saying that the points made by our Constitution are not good for a people in general, but if you are a Christ-professing, Bible-believing Christian, then God's Word, taken in context, is the standard. God providentially rules and reigns in this universe and He has placed us in this country and we are to live under it's rules. Now part of its rules allow us to vote and voice our opinions - but it does not allow us to be law-breakers in any other area than preaching the Gospel. Yes, that means that this country was originally taken in a manner that defies God's Word. However, we are here now and can only live in the present; we can do nothing about the past.

We should try and vote for men (for starts) who will lead our country in a Godly manner. We should continue to voice our views on how a nation should be ruled in a godly manner, but, if we are Christians, then we need to understand God's purpose for the government. Those who lead us will answer to Him ultimately. We will answer to God on how well we followed His commands to be obedient.

Can anyone explain to me how any of this makes sense? Why are we so polarized in this country? Is this the only country that is politically polarized? We are basically split down the middle between conservative values and liberal viewpoints. Conservatives are scared to death of big government and liberals think the only way to function is at the hands of big government. There are very intelligent people on both sides of the argument yet neither reach the same conclusion about the exact same issue. I'm not sure why anyone is surprised that Obama is a left wing, liberal president. Every word out of his mouth during the campaign was about wealth redistribution, health care to cover the 30 million who had none, immigration reform, cap and trade, etc, etc, etc. Democrats, with the over-obvious help of the "main steam" media, convinced the "masses" that the only chance they had for survival was to resoundingly reject Republicans in favor of Democrats who "understand" the needs of the people, Democrats who would "fundamentally" change America in favor of a new "more friendly" America, Democrats who would offer "hope"! Democrats who would change the way the world "perceives" the United States. The message that comes across is that Conservatives are angry, gun wielding radicals who are out of touch with reality. It is incredible to me that the exact same radicals who burned flags and demonized President Bush are now acting as if they have been wronged because the right side does not hold the same regard for their "annointed one". It's comical how everything being crammed through Congress these days is "historical"! I asked the question, why are we so polarized and I answered it. Just because someone has intelligenc does not make them smart or correct.

Civil Disobedience is not disquieting to me. Some action of this sort will be essential if Conservatives are not able to take control of Congress in the November elections.

Amen Mark, another excellent essay on what we need to do to restore this once great nation of freedom and liberty. You'll be glad to know I'm in the process of distributing 100 Essential Liberty guides - a number of which will be distributed this Sunday as part of my Sunday School lesson, "Rediscovering God in America" with credit to Newt and his fantastic book which I highly recommend. I believe it's going to take the next great spiritual awakening to achieve this restoration. Putting God back in the center where our founders intended is first and foremost...

read more at: www.americanrevolutiontwo.us/original-essay/

Regarding the need to "turn back this tide of tyranny", please "Taking Back Our Republic" (a pamphlet which can be downloaded from:

http://www.thirty-thousand.org/pages/TBOR.htm). This pamphlet explains the principal problems that result from oversized congressional districts and how we can return political power to the citizenry through representational enlargement.

Mark,

Time is of the essence. Start calling for a march on Washington by 1 or 2 million armed, law abiding American Patriots. The U.S. Military will not kill their own and the liberal scum in D.C. will disapear like rain drops in the sun. We NEED to elimanate those that have no love for America or the Rule of Law with BULLETS not Ballots. After Obama signs the U.N. International Gun Ban Treaty what do you suppose the true Patriots will do? Lamely surrender their firearms. No me! Hell No!!!

Either lead, follow or get the Hell out of the way. Your words are honorable and your motives pure, but you will never talk America into being a Republic...we must fight and start that fight today!

What do you intend to do?

I love my country, am well armed, and a law abiding Patriot willing to kill those that would destroy this once free land. When do we start?!

Bob Stogner

Murray, KY

You and Glenn Beck seem to be on the same page. He is following a different tack, but trying to end up in the same place. I hope each of you is successful. I have rewritten the Constitution, to reflect the original intent. Yoy do not allow me to attach my copy here. I wish I could have you read it and comment.

An economics professor at a local college made a statement that he had never failed a single student before, but had once failed an entire class. That class had insisted that Obama's socialism worked and that no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer.

The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on Obama's plan".

All grades would be averaged and everyone would receive the same grade so no one would fail and no one would receive an A...

After the first test, the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who studied hard were upset and the students who studied little were happy. As the second test rolled around, the students who studied little had studied even less and the ones who studied hard decided they wanted a free ride too so they studied little.

The second test average was a D! No one was happy.

When the 3rd test rolled around, the average was an F.

As the tests proceeded, the scores never increased as bickering, blame and name-calling all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for the benefit of anyone else.

All failed, to their great surprise, and the professor told them that socialism would also ultimately fail because when the reward is great, the effort to succeed is great but when government takes all the reward away, no one will try or want to succeed.

Could not be any simpler than that.

Remember, there is a test coming up. The mid-term election in 2010!

I can not think of a more dangerous thing than to open a Constitutional Convention to amend our Constitution in perilous times like these. There is no guarantee after a Con Con is opened that it could be contained just to make the changes that are proposed. In short, it could be destroyed. What we need is an informed electorate that will vote the bums out of office, and our present laws enforced in light of our present Constitution. At present is is ignored or given lip service at best.

Wally has some very good points. However, if our Founders had taken the course that Wally suggests, we would all still be British subjects. It was clearly God's plan for the United States of America to be established. That required armed rebellion, and reading scripture differently than Wally has. What's different about the Bible 200+ years later? Nothing.

With all that has happened over the last 40-50 years, and the natural tendency for Republics and Democracy's to self destruct, it may also be God's plan for us to clear the way for Israel's near destruction.

In spite of the latter, I choose to follow the rebellious footsteps of our Founders.

Interesting times we live in.

After so much exposure in the media to the idiocy of the Hollywonks and their ilk, and the blind intolerance of the looney left, what a pleasure to find in the readers’ comments that

intelligent thought has not vanished;i.e. Wally Roderick’s reasoned biblical argument for complete obedience to the government, and Ruth Ann Wilson’s Scripturally based rebuttal plus Anton D Rehling et al. The conservative Christian Manhattan Declaration has a section on religious liberty suggesting a God honoring response to unjust laws. www.manhattandeclaration.org

Julia Gwin gives the following quote that Mr. Roderick agrees to. Shame on him.

"If your reasoning is sound, then the establishment of the United States was immoral and wrong."

I'll never forget the first time I heard this expressed at a college campus in the late 1970's. I couldn't believe that a student had made such an expression against this Beloved Country.

Mr. Roderick, you need to get on your knees and thank God for America. God established this Beloved Country by the works of Founders, GOOD Veterans, and Faithful Patriots.

You have come into a "Great heritage". Do not think that God sanctions a "pacifist". Read ALL of your Bible. You are not "kinder and sweeter than God" and You did not come to this "conclusion" that the United States was established "immoral and wrong" because you read Romans 13 which I discussed in an above post.

The Bible, the Founding Fathers, Good Veterans, and Faithful Patriots are right and you are wrong.

For God & Country

Ruth Ann Wilson

The Mrs. and I (Irish immigrants to the U.S.)have been supporting the U.S. constitution at the expense of our asses and R.E. properties for 18yrs... But we can't even find a "true" news media outlet to tell our "DOMESTIC TERRORIST" ABUSE STORY....Which has been going on for 18yrs...... WHAT COULD HAVE HAPPENED TO THE U.S. LIBERTY AND JUSTICE... WE ALL PROFESS TO LOVE!! GET THE STORY AT www.scdtspotlight.com IT'S FREE...WE ARE NOT AFRAID... ARE YOU??? Paddy and Drina Doran...

In response to Gerald Murphy, Mark Alexander most certainly has done his homework. You have exemplified "lax" conservatism in this day and age. We conservatives too often look solely at an events date and time, or a bills cost and benefits. Instead, we should be looking at the underlying idea behind these events. Lexington and Concord marked the beginning of the Revolutionary War, because they showed true defiance by mainstream libertarians who were willing to give their lives in defense of their liberty. A few mountain men in West Virginia (who obviously have my utmost respect) revolting against a British force is like flicking away a pesky bug for the British. Instead, we should be like the warriors at Lexington and Concord, who were mainstream and direct about their frustration with their loss of liberty. In conclusion, sir, I suggest that you stop bad-mouthing the "misinformed" among us who choose to highlight American bravery in the mainstream, which is where we should be showing ours.

Romans 13 government has nothing in common with tyrants and despots who would control mens lives and liberty. The powers noted there are the apostles, prophets, evangelists, pastors, teachers and authorities ordained by God and tasked with delivering His Word and Will to men. The men and women holding those positions of exercised authority all share a basic characteristic, their first love and allegiance is to God, the creator of the heavens and earth and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ. As Romans 13:4 states of them, "he is the minister of God to thee for good." Could anyone accuse the present regime of such?

On the tax issue (ken brown) the simplest solution is to repeal the 16th and 17th amendments. If 3/4 of the states (38) would vote in the affirmative it would be done and Washington could do nothing to stop it. No "con-con"

With April 19th marking the aniversary of the battles of Lexington and Concord it should be noted that as hard as our founders tried to avoid it, they still found themselves having to take up arms. I cringe every time I hear Glenn Beck invoke the wisdom of the founders and then start quoting Gandhi. Screw Gandhi! The day is coming when we will all be forced to stoop down to either grab our ankles or our guns. But let it also be said that Obama is the provocateur in this. As at Lexington and Concord ours will be a defensive action. Obama will force the issue. Peacefull opposition only works in the face of a tolerant authority. Does anyone really believe the progressives will be tolerant? And when the time comes will we be men or sheep?

I love the quote of Samuel Adams at the end. Perhaps if Mr. Adams were alive today, he'd have to write: "Contemplate the mouldering bodies of your ancestors, who suffered much and strove hard so that you could have all that you now take for granted, and then say 'what should be the reward of such sacrifices?' ... If ye covet the wealth around you more than your own liberty, the tranquility of socialism and servitude than the animated contest of capitalism and freedom, go from us in peace. We ask not your counsels or arms. Crouch down, whimper and then lick the hands of the state when it feeds you. May your chains sit lightly upon you, and may posterity forget that ye were our countrymen!"

Ghandi, O, horrors. Is he suppose to be the "example" of a Peacenik???? "Kinder and sweeter than God", Yeah, right. Corrupt and debauched.

Texan, you stated very accurately:

"Peacefull opposition only works in the face of a tolerant authority. Does anyone really believe the progressives will be tolerant? And when the time comes will we be men or sheep?"

Thanks again, Texan.

This reminds me of the "OLD" hymn

"Am I a Soldier of the Cross" Isaac Watts

Am I a a soldier of the cross?

A follower of the Lamb

And shall I fear to own His cause

Or blush to speak His Name.

Must I be carried to the skies

On flow'ry beds of ease,

While others fought to win the prize

and sailed thru bloody seas?

Are there no foes for me to face?

Must I not stem the flood?

Is this vile world a friend to grace,

To help me on to God?

SURE I must fight if I would reign

Increase my courage, Lord

I'll bear the toil, endure the pain,

Supported by Thy word.

O, thank God for the Faith of our Fathers, a Holy Faith.

For God & Country

Ruth Ann Wilson

I'm afraid Mr. Roderic would have us lick the boot of the devil himself if the devil were to occupy a seat in government. I'm sorry sir, but I do not believe those in power today were put there by God nor do I believe our founders were disobedient to God for refusing to kiss King George's arse. Quite the contrary, I belive our constitution was devinely inspired.

A little context is in order here. Were the Israelites not lead out of bondage? Did they not engage in battles against oppressive authorities? Did Jericho not fall. Did David not slay Goliath? I do not think the almighty expects us to be pacifists.

The time for talk and protest has passed. As of March 21, 2010 we are all slaves to government regardless of skin pigmentation. No amount of talk or more talk is going to change that. We have wasted precious time, we have lost control of our country and we, the American people, and the voters have done that. We must now learn to deal with the consequences of our actions and inactions and learn how to survive best under slavery.

Mr. Roderick,

History is rife with examples of your odd view of civil obedience being put into practice by citizens, whether they thought it was an obedience to God or, more likely, an unwillingness to give up their comfy, unconflicted lives to confront an evil. I wonder how many German citizens, who obeyed their growing fascist government in the 1930s, would later believe they were obeying God's will?

I pray daily for God to use me as an instrument of His will, knowing that that may involve action, discomfort, unpleasantness, etc.,but I can find nothing in my bible that implies that all governments are endorsed by God, and should be obeyed as God should be obeyed. I believe that it falls to us, with our faith in God and as instruments of His will, to resist evil where we find it, not to sit in temporary comfort and watch our rougue government tear down all that has been built in His name.

It's a dangerous path to focus on one scripture, taken literally and applied broadly, to the exclusion of reason. That's how people end up bringing snakes and Drano to church.

Please revise your phrase "Calling all TEA party members" to something that does not imply that those of us who believe that we are Taxed Enough

Already are members of a third political party. I suggest TEA partiers or TEA party attendees.

Tne above is the sole criticism that I have of your publication in more than five years of reading it. Thank you for you dedication and erudition in our just pursuit of the liberty left us by the founders.

K. Hunter

patriot

What are you people in the media waiting for? It's perfectly clear to me that Lt. Commander Fitzpatrick is being labeled "troublesome" by the current administration. He was arrested in Monroe county Tn and incarcerated for 4 days for having the audacity to actually attempt a citizens arrest of an obvious ineligible grand jury foreman and a complict judge. He was in violation of Tn state law TCA 22-2-314 limitations on jury service rule 6(g)(3) which states among other things that the jury foreman can only serve 2 years maximum. He has been jury foreman for over 27 years. Anybody out there see a problem with that? The following is a letter from Lt. Cmdr Fitzpatrick. Do I need to add to it?

Thank you Shipmate.

I went to Senator Lamar's Knoxville office yesterday (8 April 2010). It was closed. I did manage to visit the offices of Senator Corker office and Representative John Duncan.

U.S. Marshall's responded. I was prevented free movement in the building. I was escorted out of the building. I was told never to return to the building (the Howard Baker building).

I called Duncan's Athens, TN office Wednesday demanding a man to man meeting be scheduled while Duncan is home on Easter break. Duncan's staff assistant called back yesterday while I was in Knoxville to report Duncan denied the request. I'll transcribe the voice mail message. I may record it. Duncan's official position is that he has no place in this.

Also, I did file a complaint the Tennessee Judicial Court. Their response regarding the Monroe County Grand Jury outrage is that judges are allowed to appoint Grand Jury Foreman under Tennessee law (a lie).

There will be a rally at the Monroe county Tn courthouse on April 20th in support of Cmdr Fitzpatrick. It's time to begin taking our country back one fight at a time. For more info go to www. riseupforamerica.com.

Our constitution has been violated for sixty years

yes,there were those that protested but the might

of the federal government put them down.Now that

we are on the edge of an abyss and no longer

willing to arm ourselves fight and die for our

freedom and liberty and principles what makes

anyone think that a whole lot of talk is going

to get us anywhere?Bay the moon Bark all day till

the cows come home What good is it going to do?

What are you people in the media waiting for? It's perfectly clear to me that Lt. Commander Fitzpatrick is being labeled "troublesome" by the current administration. He was arrested in Monroe county Tn and incarcerated for 4 days for having the audacity to actually attempt a citizens arrest of an obvious ineligible grand jury foreman and a complict judge. He was in violation of Tn state law TCA 22-2-314 limitations on jury service rule 6(g)(3) which states among other things that the jury foreman can only serve 2 years maximum. He has been jury foreman for over 27 years. Anybody out there see a problem with that? The following is a letter from Lt. Cmdr Fitzpatrick. Do I need to add to it?

Thank you Shipmate.

I went to Senator Lamar's Knoxville office yesterday (8 April 2010). It was closed. I did manage to visit the offices of Senator Corker office and Representative John Duncan.

U.S. Marshall's responded. I was prevented free movement in the building. I was escorted out of the building. I was told never to return to the building (the Howard Baker building).

I called Duncan's Athens, TN office Wednesday demanding a man to man meeting be scheduled while Duncan is home on Easter break. Duncan's staff assistant called back yesterday while I was in Knoxville to report Duncan denied the request. I'll transcribe the voice mail message. I may record it. Duncan's official position is that he has no place in this.

Also, I did file a complaint the Tennessee Judicial Court. Their response regarding the Monroe County Grand Jury outrage is that judges are allowed to appoint Grand Jury Foreman under Tennessee law (a lie).

There will be a rally at the Monroe county Tn courthouse on April 20th in support of Cmdr Fitzpatrick. It's time to begin taking our country back one fight at a time. For more info go to www. riseupforamerica.com.

Wally Roderick,

I understand your reasoning and I also belive your reasoning to be flawed.

The Declaration of Independence states that "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness." The Declaration does not state that we have taken God's place to bestow the rights. It states that we, as created by our God, have these rights and that God, in his infinite wisdom, has given us the free will to exercise these rights.

In America, it makes no difference what name your God has - God, Jesus, Yaweh, Allah, Buddha, Vishnu, etc. We are a nation that was created so that everyone one of us could worship as we please, speak our minds (as we are doing now), come together to support our causes, etc. As much as I understand your position and your reasoning, God and Religion have absolutey NO PLACE in government. The people making the laws and policies should seek guidance from God so that they perform well. But, NO RELIGION should determine what we think, how we behave and so on. That is the problem that radical Islam is trying to force on the world. Radical Christianity would do the same (remember the Crusades and the strife that crippled Ireland). Please understand that the normal, mainstream faithful are not the problem. They are the solution. The radicals (of every stripe) are the problem.

Duke

What are you people in the media waiting for? It's perfectly clear to me that Lt. Commander Fitzpatrick is being labeled "troublesome" by the current administration. He was arrested in Monroe county Tn and incarcerated for 4 days for having the audacity to actually attempt a citizens arrest of an obvious ineligible grand jury foreman and a complict judge. He was in violation of Tn state law TCA 22-2-314 limitations on jury service rule 6(g)(3) which states among other things that the jury foreman can only serve 2 years maximum. He has been jury foreman for over 27 years. Anybody out there see a problem with that? The following is a letter from Lt. Cmdr Fitzpatrick. Do I need to add to it?

Thank you Shipmate.

I went to Senator Lamar's Knoxville office yesterday (8 April 2010). It was closed. I did manage to visit the offices of Senator Corker office and Representative John Duncan.

U.S. Marshall's responded. I was prevented free movement in the building. I was escorted out of the building. I was told never to return to the building (the Howard Baker building).

I called Duncan's Athens, TN office Wednesday demanding a man to man meeting be scheduled while Duncan is home on Easter break. Duncan's staff assistant called back yesterday while I was in Knoxville to report Duncan denied the request. I'll transcribe the voice mail message. I may record it. Duncan's official position is that he has no place in this.

Also, I did file a complaint the Tennessee Judicial Court. Their response regarding the Monroe County Grand Jury outrage is that judges are allowed to appoint Grand Jury Foreman under Tennessee law (a lie).

There will be a rally at the Monroe county Tn courthouse on April 20th in support of Cmdr Fitzpatrick. It's time to begin taking our country back one fight at a time. For more info go to www. riseupforamerica.com.

My curiousity is killing me! Please tell about your two arrests in the soviet union. Many, many thanks for all you all do to keep us so well-informed.

lhm

What are you people in the media waiting for? It's perfectly clear to me that Lt. Commander Fitzpatrick is being labeled "troublesome" by the current administration. He was arrested in Monroe county Tn and incarcerated for 4 days for having the audacity to actually attempt a citizens arrest of an obvious ineligible grand jury foreman and a complict judge. He was in violation of Tn state law TCA 22-2-314 limitations on jury service rule 6(g)(3) which states among other things that the jury foreman can only serve 2 years maximum. He has been jury foreman for over 27 years. Anybody out there see a problem with that? The following is a letter from Lt. Cmdr Fitzpatrick. Do I need to add to it?

Thank you Shipmate.

I went to Senator Lamar's Knoxville office yesterday (8 April 2010). It was closed. I did manage to visit the offices of Senator Corker office and Representative John Duncan.

U.S. Marshall's responded. I was prevented free movement in the building. I was escorted out of the building. I was told never to return to the building (the Howard Baker building).

I called Duncan's Athens, TN office Wednesday demanding a man to man meeting be scheduled while Duncan is home on Easter break. Duncan's staff assistant called back yesterday while I was in Knoxville to report Duncan denied the request. I'll transcribe the voice mail message. I may record it. Duncan's official position is that he has no place in this.

Also, I did file a complaint the Tennessee Judicial Court. Their response regarding the Monroe County Grand Jury outrage is that judges are allowed to appoint Grand Jury Foreman under Tennessee law (a lie).

There will be a rally at the Monroe county Tn courthouse on April 20th in support of Cmdr Fitzpatrick. It's time to begin taking our country back one fight at a time. For more info go to www. riseupforamerica.com.

I found this "piece" that was addressed to John Jay, in 1798 from common folk, just ordinary citizens Washington County, New York. It shows the "love of Liberty" and the understanding that God expects US to defend ourselves against oppression.

"Peace we estimate as one of the most precious gifts of Heaven, and with heartfelt emotions of gratitude we adore the Ruler of nations for our long, uninterrupted enjoyment of it; but basely to pursue this blessing at the expense of our Liberty is undutiful, not only to ourselves, but also to that benignant Deity who decreed that man should be FREE. The moment that an individual or a nation PASSIVELY receives the insults of oppression, they sink from that elevation of character for which they were originally destined."

The inhabitants of Washington County, New York, 1798

Remember the Declaration of Independence, "...it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security." Thomas Jefferson, Declaration of Independence, 1776

Altogether, American Founders, American Preachers, and the American People - THE SPIRIT OF 1776.

For God & Country

Ruth Ann Wilson

My growing fear is that so many "groups" are forming

that essentially sprang from the first valid concerns,

but are "separate" we will suffer weakening.

I hope Im wrong but but Im not seeing espoused conservatives standing strong. RHINOS in WA are

wimpy with the exception of a very few and Im not

seeing the cohesive, liberty only and We The People

banding together to become a force that will prevail.

I very strongly hope Im wrong on my observations.

Mark,

First of all Thanks You for an excellent article. I will be making as large a donation as I can and will join the cause of Essential Liberty. I do have a concern though. It seems to me that as I watch the idiot box, (not often), and talk to people I'm struck by the absolute ignorance of history most possess. I fear that talking to many of them about Essential Liberty and the Rule Of Law would be the equivalent of speaking Latin to a 5 year old, the level of comprehension being about the same. How do we get through to someone who has so little knowledge of our Founders, History and current situation?? It's truly frightening how ignorant and left of center many people are, and yet they vote!! Most of the time for people they know nothing about, but they look good on camera or sound good in front of a microphone.

I remain optomistic and hopeful but very concerned. Please take care and keep up the fabulous work!!

Warren Wohr

Capt. USAF (Ret.)

Balad, Iraq

I read, with sorrow, the posts of current day American Christians who refer to the words of the apostles regarding obedience to "rulers". In our system of government the PEOPLE are the rulers. We don't elect rulers or "leaders". We (the rulers) elect "representatives". The perversion of that BASIS of AMERICAN government has brought us to our current condition. The preaching from our pulpits that have us "rendering to Caesar" would have us believe that we have a dictatorial form of government to which we should be obedient and subservient. God forbid. My Christian relationship with my Father in Heaven (and my heart) requires that I be obedient to Him. My American heritage requires that I be ready to defend the liberties with which God has blessed me and my countrymen.

God Bless and Forgive.

Once again you ask me to sign a meaningless piece of paper, and I repeat, how shall we enforce our will? This nation has used economic forces to start wars which were blamed on social differences before.

All I ask is that you start a program to convince patriots to openly arm themselves responsibly. Get training, carry legally under the current laws in their areas of the country, and be ready for the coming conflict.

Read the news stories out of Arizona and South Texas. We the People must now defend ourselves because the "government" has abdicated its role to protect and defend this nation.

I will sign your declaration when this is once again a nation of Free Men.

Regarding the possibility of a tax protest, a first step might be for every taxpayer, in a nationwide and coordinated fashion, to seek the maximum lawful extension in which to pay income taxes. If enough people were to do this, the timing of the federal government's revenue flow would be affected, ultimately requiring congressional hearings on the debt ceiling, and resulting publicity for the patriots' cause.

I have already joined the ranks of the civil disobedient. I stopped paying taxes the day Obama overturned the Mexico City Policy. I'm waiting for them to catch up with me; I admit it's a bit scary. I'm hoping that many more people will join me in the effort. They can't put hundreds of thousands, or even thousands of us in jail; they can't afford it.

Mr Roderick's view of Romans 13 conflicts with the testimony of scripture. There are many examples of resistance to existing govts that were blessed by God including the Hebrew midwives refusal to kill the babies in Exodus, revolt and resistance to foreign occupiers in Judges, David's refusal to surrender to Saul, Elijah's refusal to obey Ahab & Jezebel, Jeremiah's ministry, deliberate defiance of the kings orders by Shadrach et al and by Daniel himself, etc.

Clearly, it's not just about refusing a law that forbids preaching. Paul himself wrote Romans 13, but Paul was frequently arrested and punished for direct disobedience to civil laws. Any law that is in conflict with God's revealed will is a law that we should resist and refuse to comply with.

That doesn't answer the question about whether the Founders were justified in seceding from the Crown over the issue of taxes and other govt. violations of their rights because those were not necessarily un-biblical. However, that is not the case today. The states are sovereign parties of the union and have a legal right to withdraw from it without having to resort to an appeal to scripture. There is certainly nothing biblical about whether a given state governs itself as part of a union or separates itself from a union.

God requires that humans live under some form of civil govt., and that Christians be obedient to the just laws of that govt, but He does NOT require that we centralize all civil authority at some federal or global level as opposed to governing at the state and local level. Romans 13 says nothing that would conflict with secession of a single state or would prevent the USA from leaving NAFTA or the UN.

I agree with Lady Val's post earlier; the system is broken; constitutional government in America is dead and isn't coming back, Washington is irredeemable corrupt, liberty is being overun by socialist tyranny and the Republican party is a joke. Just which RINO are you going to vote for in 2012 that will overturn 75 years of socialist legislation from Social Security to Medicare to Obamacare?? Oh that's right, most of you won't support Ron Paul.

The "Blue Staters" hold to an ideolgy as alien and hostile to our freedoms as was Soviet Communism. The only realistic solution is either civil war or peaceful secession. To stay in union with people who hate you and are inimical to your liberties is like keeping a gangrenous limb attached. If you don't amputate it, the toxins from it are going to destroy your entire body.

Time to invoke the principles of 1861.

You seem to forget who and what created the real financial deficit in this country. It was the war on terror, the war in Iraq, the Republicans and the Bush administration. Your conspiracy to create an uprising to overthrow the current government has nothing to do with communism, socialism or the country's debt. Hide as you may try, it is very obvious your issue is with Obama and the fact that he is a black president. Something to many in this country, including yourself and your organization, never believed would happen. At least 50% of the country does not agree with you. Obama inherited what you now want to promote as the problem he created. I will not spend the time or intellectual pursuit necessary to debate your position because it would be useless. You are already organized for a different type of war. Keep in mind we now live in a GLOBAL society American white supremacy is passe'. Continue to concern yourself with those type of issues and you'll be lost as you almost already are when Asians start to control the world - like the Chinese whose hold American dollars can cause your and every American's demise momentarily. If you think black children can't compete with your children try and conceptualize the fact that your children cannot compete with Asian children. Why? because the oppression you still focus on has hurt your own children as well. Obama may well be president because America was so determined that change, even if it was colorful, was what this country really needs. And now the Republicans insist on maintaining the status quo - so yes Obama has an American civil war on his hands. Term it whatever you like.

"...your issue is with Obama and the fact that he is a black president."

Must be nice to take up the leftist position in a debate; you don't have to think, don't have to reason, don't have to marshal facts, etc. All you have to do is accuse your opponent of racism, oppression, homophobia, whatever, and you just de-legitimize the other position by throwing excrement on it like a monkey.

It all just reveals the utter bankruptcy and dishonesty of leftists in America.

John 8:44 - Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: for he is a liar, and the father of it.

Since I don't feel or think the American People are being properly represented by our politicians of the Democratic or Republican Party. I believe the Patriot Post should help the American People start and support a new party called 'The American People Party'. It would truly be the patriotic thing to do!

Sincerely,

David K. Mather

Just want to comment...Real Americans know the lifeblood of our nation.

Today, we do not have many real Americans. We have people from so many countries who have not been educated in our liberties. They bring their own education from their countries and then do their best to change America into what they had, Not what we are. I know NO ONe wants to say this because then the immigrants will not vote for us, but I believe they want us to say this because in their heart of heart they know we patriots are what insure their pursuit of liberty!

I think the balance to the argument of whether or not a Christian should rebel against the Government might be stated as follows. While the general biblical principle certainly is that we are to pray for our leaders, live in peace, obey our governmental authorities and pay our taxes – there is also the balance of these pertinent questions.

Was the American Revolution an unbiblical act? What about those nations that are clearly wicked? Must Christians submit to a Hitler or a Stalin or a Saddam Hussein? Is the Bible saying that Christians must submit unconditionally to every government official and every government ordinance? Does Romans 13 uphold absolutist power for monarchs, tyrants, butchers and dictators?

The Bible is clear that Christians must be loyal to the "institution" of government, but, in my opinion, not always the specific individuals who occupied those institutions or policies that emanate from it. Sometimes Christians may be forced to drastic actions, suffering devastating consequences in order to serve the Kingdom of God over and above the governments instituted among men. I am thinking about the born again Christians who were living in Germany during the days of the Holocaust.

There really is no such thing as a Christian government in this world. Thus, it is possible for Christians who spend too much time on political affairs to neglect their responsibilities to the Kingdom of God. We have a responsibility to be dilegent in maintaining that balance.

The principle that drives my decision in this matter, other than those state above, is that America – most Christians believe – was founded upon many biblical principles and the biblical idea of a “Creator” God who endows us with certain indisputable, inalienable rights…life and liberty being the two most precious ones. The First and Second Amendment to our Constitution were implanted there as LAW to ensure these biblical principles were preserved among us and then, our Founding Fathers said – it was our responsibility, before God, to KEEP these in place and to never allow the Government or foreign power to usurp them. If we did, they understood that our uniqueness would be gone as well as our unique ability to influence the world for the Kingdom of Christ.

Ultimately it will come down to the individual conscience of the Christian. I for one will live in peace as much as it is possible on my part. If our 1st and 2nd amendments are arbitrarily eliminated for the sake of a tyrannical rule of mad dictator – I will take up arms and join the millions of other Americans who will do so in order to defend and protect our liberties, granted to us by the Lord. I know there will be many, even Christians, who would not. It was the same in the American Revolution.

I would just like to say in response to all of these very passionate comments on this blog, that only two people seem to be in an opposing agreement to the rest of you. The case of civil obedience and civil disobedience and what each means and whether either is biblical. Can you truly classify all civil obedience or disobedience into either good or bad?

Yes, there are cases for civil disobedience.

As in the case of breaking the laws of God. I do not believe Mr. Roderick meant solely in the case of preaching need you be disobedient to the government and in no other. He was using this as an example.

Why do you look to history alone and say that people like Mr. Roderick are basing their views on one passage of scripture? You beseech him to read the "rest of his Bible" and yet none so far as I have read have looked to the example of our Lord Jesus Himself. Does he not tell His disciples to give to Caesar what is Caesars and give to God what is Gods? Did not the Jewish people believe that Christ would come and overturn the Roman government for their salvation and yet He came not to start a rebellion but a revival of the heart.

Just because we have a history and belief does not necessarily mean that it is Biblical.

I am so deeply grateful for our veterans and those who have fought and died for our freedom. I support them completely.

As an individual you must ask yourself on matters such as these, are you primarily an American or Christian??

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As I was unable to continue before, I shall try to post part 2 now to continue my thoughts.

As a Christian you are commanded to put all your thoughts subject to Christ and what He commands. All your hopes, dreams, and beliefs must rest solely in Him and His teachings in Scripture.

Throughout History men have sought freedom.

Throughout History men have fought and died for freedom.

Is Freedom wrong then? Is that really the question?

I don't think it is. It is a matter of what is most important to God.

Spiritual freedom from the bondage of sin is the most important. And throughout history, Christians have suffered and died. Were these Christians not entitled to "life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness."? Should we ask our brothers and sisters in North Korea and China what they think of democracy and the constitution and the battles we face now in North America?

Alas, we are so greatly blessed in this nation that we have been allowed to be free to worship our God in the time that has been given to us.

And we should not ever condone sin, but God reigns Sovereign and what He ordains, no man can put asunder.

Christians must live a life that seeks life in Christ, liberty from sin through His grace and Happiness found only in our Sovereign Creator and Lord.

Obedience to His will in Scripture must come first, and rebellion is not a fruit of the Spirit.

It is not Disobedience to the government we should be so concerned with, but unadulterated obedience to Almighty God.

God in His wisdom, gave to men the ability to choose, to make decisions for our selves. It is a choice decision to be free or not to be. It was the choice of our Founding Fathers and all who sacrificed for the cause of freedom, who "Chose", at the threat of death to defy the ruling authority King George III, that I may add was a Monarch. His authority was divinely established. So according to some who always quote Romans:13, do not understand the wording of the text. "Governments have been instituted among men by God, according to Scripture, and they derive their power, according to Scripture, from God, not from the consent of the governed (Romans Chapter 13)." We have a form of government, that was established under exhaulted virtues. To be frank, Christian Morality... That being said, this Republic recognizes the Sovereignty of God, and the Individual Sovereignty of Man. We are not governed or lorded over, but we lend our individual sovereignty to those whom we elect to do the will of those individuals by whom they were elected. Whereby we derive our form of government, "Republic". We all have a choice, and we all have a say. As Benjamin Franklin most notably said:"They who can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary safety, deserve neither liberty nor safety." I might also add that we are not sheep to be lead to the slaughter, and there was only one sheep who was lead, by choice I might add, to give us the right as free men to be able to stand and claim this Nation for His Honor and Glory... May His name, the name above all other names, the name of Jesus forever be praised!!! amen

You folks are a little bit askewed on your date of submition arn't you, or did all of this happen last year?

We must first gain control of Congress. this will be very difficult because those in control have control of the venue.

To get our country back to its roots there are at least these items that need immediate attention:

1) Get rid of the control power of the three branches of the Federal government

a) Congressmen and Senators have no pay

b) they serve for three months of each year with

modest payment for living expenses

c) The President is not allowed to campaign

during his presidency until the last 60 of term

2) No retirement plan or extras of ANY kind, None

3) Both branches of Congrees serve for four years

4) President also receives Nothing for his four

years of service, as some presidents do nothing

but attend functions as head of the US

5) At the end of eight years no longer protected by

the secret service (the Pres)

6) Supreme Justices serve no longer than eight years

7) Service members in the Armed Services who

protect us retire in 20 years with 50% pay,no

less

8) Reduce corporate taxes to 22% immediately

9) Flat tax from everyone of 17%; anyone earning

over $250,000 @ 18%; over $5M 25%, no other

deductions

10)Investigate and stop Medicaire and Medicaid

fraud, especially in South Florida and stop all payments to providers with anything that looks abnormal; that way, we can get a handle on this giveaway

Here we are, 17 years after the much vaunted Republican Revolution of 1994. What changed? Nothing. America's is dire peril because "the same people and corporations control both parties," as the Late Gov. George Wallace said about 45 years ago. "There's not a dime's bit of difference between them" Or as Prime Minister Benjamin Disraeli of England said about 125 years ago, "If the people knew the real power behind the elected officials, there would be a revolution by the following morning."

America is collapsing because of the mega wealthy elitists. If the bail out of Bernard Rabbi Shalom Bernanke's trillionare international banker buddies with $16 trillion of American's tax money didn't wake up people to who really owns this nation, nothing will! God help us!