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The Truth About Muslims and the Fourth Estate

By Burt Prelutsky · Nov. 24, 2012

If you depend on the mainstream media – and why would anyone? – you would come to believe that Muslims are decent, law-abiding people and Christian conservatives are blood-thirsty ogres. It is because of promoting such head-spinning balderdash that the American press has earned the contempt of millions of us.

Instead of speaking truth to power, they roll over for Obama and the Democrats. In dictatorships, you expect journalists to be propagandists because to be otherwise doesn't mean you lose your job; it means you lose your life.

It used to be that journalists took pride in adopting a policy of independence and objectivity. So far as the political parties were concerned, their attitude was a pox on both their houses. But that is all in the past. Like the zombies who used to pass for journalists at Pravda, they are all card-carrying, dues-paying, members of the socialist regime. They no longer worry about meeting deadlines and scooping the competition, only in promoting a left-wing agenda. If they were canines, they would perpetually have all four legs waving in the air, waiting for Obama to rub their little round bellies.

The Left is always talking about favoring free speech, but it's a lie. The only speech they ever defend is their own. They speak about the 1st Amendment in such hallowed terms, you would think they had invented it. But when it suits them, they regard it as the .5th Amendment.

Speaking of the media, I would like someone to explain to me why Private Bradley Manning is in the stockade, awaiting his court martial trial, and Julian Assange is hiding out in the Ecuadorean embassy in London, fighting extradition to the U.S., for their part in disseminating national security secrets through Wikileaks, but the folks at the NY Times are not under arrest for publishing the national security secrets that the Obama administration furnished them. I'm really not sure what effect Manning and Assange's contemptible actions had, but I know that, thanks to the Times, there's a Pakistani doctor who is serving a 33-year sentence for his part in pointing us to Osama bin Laden's hidey hole.

That brings us to Muslims. All over the world, we've seen those people burning and killing, allegedly in response to a video or a promo for a video nobody appears to have actually seen. Now it's bad enough that a religion that has a billion faithful scattered all over the place is the looniest on earth. But by this time, we in what continues to pass for the civilized world have come to expect nothing else of those fanatical goons. They never seem to have the time or inclination to write a book, paint a picture, compose a symphony or cure a disease, but they're always up for a bloody riot.

The problem is that far too many people continue to pay lip service to these creeps simply because they commit their evil in the name of a religion. If they did it in the name of a country, the way that the Nazis, the fascists and the communists, did, we'd all feel free to call them the names they deserve. Instead, our leaders all have to mince words and feign respect in order to be politically correct.

This isn't a partisan issue. After all, after 9/11, we had eight years of Bush and Rice soft-soaping the Middle East rabble. How often did we have occasion to cringe as our president and secretary of state insisted that people who wanted us dead were a bunch of saints? It's no truer now than it was when Muhammad tried to convert the world to Islam by killing those who didn't buy the idea that a religious prophet could also be a pedophile and who didn't happen to believe that Mecca was the center of the universe or that Islam was in any way, shape or form, an improvement on Judaism or Christianity.

We even have left-wing American intellectuals calling for this video to be destroyed and we now have a different president and secretary of state apologizing to the mob. A number of yellowbellies on the Left liken the video to yelling “Fire!” in a crowded theater, thus overlooking two salient facts. The first is that if a fire breaks out in a theater, crowded or otherwise, calling attention to that fact is the right thing to do; the second is that if we curtail our freedom of speech in order to accommodate bottom-feeders halfway across the world, we are as bad, if not worse, than they are. They at least are willing to stand up for what they believe, as pigheaded as what they believe happens to be.

Perhaps people need to be reminded that as far as Muslims are concerned, this latest war against the United States and modern society didn't begin with the murder of Ambassador Stevens and his three colleagues in Libya. It also didn't begin on 9/11/01. It didn't even begin with the attack on the USS Cole in 2000, the bombings of our embassies in Africa, in 1998, or even the first attack on the Trade Center back in 1993. Furthermore, it didn't begin with the attack on our Marine base in Beirut, in 1983, which left 299 Marines dead. It actually began back in 1978, after Jimmy Carter pulled the rug out from under the Shah of Iran, allowing the Ayatollah Khomeini and his drooling followers to take control of Iran. Under the new order, it wasn't all that surprising that their first order of business was to abduct and hold 52 American hostages for 444 days. In other words, this war which we seem so reluctant to acknowledge has been going on for over 30 years.

As an historical sidebar, it's worth noting that the hostages were released a few minutes after Ronald Reagan moved into the White House. It no doubt helped that it never occurred to President Reagan to even pretend that he held Islam in particularly high esteem and that he was quite prepared to do whatever it took to gain their freedom.

If we had been at war with Nazi Germany for 33 years, do you seriously believe that anybody in the United States would have been worrying about a video that ridiculed Hitler?

I swear if one more American leader repeats the lie that Islam is a religion of peace, I want those six words tattooed across his forehead so that he's mocked every damn time he leaves the house.

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Howard Last in Wyoming said:

Burt, the war with the ragheads has been going on for way more than 30 years. Think the Marine Hymn. Remember the Barbary Pirates and Stephen Decatur. It goes back at least to 1803. Western culture has been fighting the Barbarians for over one thousand years (did anyone say "Crusades").

And you are correct that it isn't a partisan issue. During the weekend before the elections in 2002 I was visiting my daughter at college. She was a member of the College Young Republicans and had two tickets to a speech Bush the Younger was giving. During the speech Bush said Islam is the religion of peace. Everyone in the hall must have heard me say "Bovine Manure". But I did not use the same words. If the same event occurred today with Barry, I would probably be accused of starting the next riot by the camel murder sprey.

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 1:07 AM

Burt Prelutsky in North Hills, CA replied:

Howard: I believe I referred to the current war with Islam. I mean, if we have a war with Germany in 2250, would you say we've been at war with them since 1941?

But you're right about speaking honestly in Obama's presence. It's verboten.

Burt

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 8:06 PM

Howard Last in Wyoming replied:

Burt: the war with the ragheads has been going on continually since the Crusaders with several small lulls. The reason for the war has not changed. It is between barbarians and civilized men (in most cases if you leave out the communists and socialists). The war with Germany was over in 45. Any future war with Germany would be for a different reason than WW-II as the Nazi's were removed from power.

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 8:58 PM

Howard Last in Wyoming said:

Burt, the war with the ragheads has been going on for way more than 30 years. Think the Marine Hymn. Remember the Barbary Pirates and Stephen Decatur. It goes back at least to 1803. Western culture has been fighting the Barbarians for over one thousand years (did anyone say "Crusades").

And you are correct that it isn't a partisan issue. During the weekend before the elections in 2002 I was visiting my daughter at college. She was a member of the College Young Republicans and had two tickets to a speech Bush the Younger was giving. During the speech Bush said Islam is the religion of peace. Everyone in the hall must have heard me say "Bovine Manure". But I did not use the same words. If the same event occurred today with Barry, I would probably be accused of starting the next murder spree by the camel jockeys.

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 1:13 AM

Howard Last in Wyoming replied:

Don't know how come two comments. The second is the correct one.

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 1:17 AM

Honest Abe in North Carolina replied:

Howard, we must never forget the small force of determined Greeks who kept western civilization western at Marathon. We seem afraid to do the same today, laying down our shields and spears and accepting gradual defeat rather than a tactical confrontation.

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 11:10 AM

ArmyofOne in MN said:

If you depend on the mainstream media -- and why would anyone? – you would come to believe that Muslims are decent, law-abiding people and Christian conservatives are blood-thirsty ogres. It is because of promoting such head-spinning balderdash that the American press has earned the contempt of millions of us.
Burt...the American press 'corpse' has decided that Muslim's are an okay bunch, and Obama (the leader of the Muslim Brotherhood in the United States) is their favorite of all. Just how much of their ass kissing is true love, or cowardiceness, is the question. That would go for our 'representatives' in the Senate and Congress as well!

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 2:19 AM

Burt Prelutsky in North Hills, CA replied:

Army: Amen.

Burt

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 8:07 PM

Tod the tool guy in brooklyn ny said:

Damascus steel became pattern-weld in 1973, when the private sector discovered how to duplicate the old Indian manufacturing process. Bladesmith William F. Moran demonstrated his copy of Wootz steel, at a Bladesmith show. Moran started a guild for bladesmiths, and the steel blades had to have a minimum of 300 layers! Moslems would make swords, but Menonites would make plowshares of good steel. Two different ideologies at work. LOL Burt.

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 6:33 AM

Holmes Simons in Tampa said:

Burt, initially I thought your depiction of journalnuts as canines was an affront to man's best friend and that sloths provide a more accurate mammalian analogy for these cretins. But then it occurred to me how gratifying it is to imagine the fear and wet panties the canine-like sycophants must experience every time a real American yells, "Eat one, you jerkwad commie!", at his TV whenever the face of the undocumented traitor appears.

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 8:21 AM

Burt Prelutsky in North Hills, CA replied:

Holmes: You know I would never intentionally insult dogs.

Burt

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 8:08 PM

L.L. Smith in Savannah, Tn. said:

Burt:
Someone once said that a moderate Muslim is one who has no more ammunition and has lost his knife. It's rather amusing to see how Christians are mocked in every way but not a critical word about Muslims. It might be because we as Christians are peaceful and are taught by the Holy Bible to not be a violent people. Christianity is a peaceful religion until pushed to far then....hide. (My version. I hope I am right)
My opinion is that when the chips are down and sides are chosen all Muslims will all be on the same side. They will no more repudiate their religion than I will Christianity. Peace loving? Listen closely. When it is late in the evening and a cool breeze is blowing it seems as if I can hear the cannons across the river at Shiloh.

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 9:22 AM

Burt Prelutsky in North Hills, CA replied:

L.L.: I agree with your Someone.

Burt

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 8:11 PM

Ct-Tom in NC said:

Kudos, Burt, but please do watch your back!

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Burt Prelutsky in North Hills, CA replied:

Ct: I try to, but then I walk into lampposts.

Burt

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 8:11 PM

JR in Mountain Grove replied:

You mentioned respect for dogs. Get a large one, like a Rotteweiler, and he can watch out for lamp posts, while you watch your back.

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 9:57 PM

Merry in Cave Creek, AZ replied:

Or better yet, have the dog watch your back as you look "forward"---yes, the pun was intended!

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 10:09 PM

Wayne in Hinesville, GA said:

One of the Imam's at the Demoratic convention made the statement: If we Moslems become involved in the political arena we will eventually take over the United States and turn it into a Caliiphate. This is probably not exactly what he said but its close enough to get the gist of his meaning. I saw this on Fox but no where else in the lamestream media. It may have been in major newspapers but was probably hidden deep inside the paper. Islam is not a peaceful religion and never has been. The whole premise behind its beliefs is world domination. This is what political correctness has brought us to. I thought consorting with the enemy was considered treason not too many years ago. Another example of Demorats hiding their heads in the sand and ignoring the real problems facing the nation. They will do anything to turn us in a "Socialist" paradise.

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 10:50 AM

PH in DE replied:

Of course consorting with the enemy and giving him aid and comfort is treason, but the Democrats won't let the traitor in the White House be accused, much less tried and convicted. Because many of them are accomplices to the treason.

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 3:03 PM

Burt Prelutsky in North Hills, CA replied:

Old Sarge: Only a liberal would be unaware that "Socialist paradise" is an oxymoron.

Burt

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 8:13 PM

Tex Horn in Texas said:

"...if we curtail our freedom of speech in order to accommodate bottom-feeders halfway across the world, we are as bad, if not worse, than they are."

That's right, Burt, but the Fourth Estate and much of America is doing just that. We are in a space where we make up false, lame names for terrorists instead of just calling them terrorists. We have done the same with illegal aliens and a host of other criminals and traitors. We Americans have an opportunity to stop a lot of it, but we don't. What would happen if nobody watched the lamestream media news? It would fade away. What would happen if parents took back the schools? Indoctrination to policitical correctness would stop. But then, this is the America that reelected a closet Islamist that, like Morsi in Eygyt, makes his own rules, taking our freedoms, while a diddling America sits idly by. Political correctness lives.

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 11:00 AM

NUTN2SAY in Pueblo said:

11/23/2012

When hate America liberals attack Christianity here in the United States of America they also attack a long History of the United States Constitution written by We The People!!!

We The People right now have government employees who swear Oaths of Office to serve and protect We The People’s Constitution!!! These same employees of ours (We The People) that do swear oaths to protect We The People actually prefer to find ways that end up doing We The People more harm than good very soon after they (our employees) walk away from that public podium!!!

Don’t you think it’s time that We The People finally had a serious discussion about this now chronic anti Constitution behavior coming from our (We The People) Tax Paid Civil Servants!!!

The sadness of this is that our Civil Servants say one thing to us (We The People) to get the jobs that they came to us (We The People) for and then suddenly turn around and set out to psychologically/physically destroy We The People’s Constitution of the United States of America!!!

The U.S. Constitution was written by us We The People in the first place before we (We The People) started hiring our tax paid help to assist us (We The People) as we protect and serve that Constitution of ours…We The People!!!

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 11:44 AM

enemaofthestatistquo in Monroe, GA replied:

I know there are very critical problems for Congress (both lame duck in Nov-Dec & the new Congress in Jan-Mar...), but I wonder if they will take any time at all like the last session to read the Constitution, (you know that document they have sworn to , etc) not that it did any good, in fact several critical of its even being read are STILL THERE!!!!!!. I think they should take that time, eventually some of them may just get it. & maybe if they did get it, They would not have so much critical stuff to always ...

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 2:16 PM

Burt Prelutsky in North Hills, CA replied:

enema: Read the Constitution? Surely you jest. They are too busy running for re-election, be it in 2014, 2016 or 2018. They're like hamsters running on those little wheels. They never stop.

Burt

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 8:16 PM

Howard Last in Wyoming replied:

Burt: they only read the Constitution to see how best to violate it. BTW, that goes for the democraps and the Republican Leadership (still an oxymoron).

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Merry in Cave Creek, AZ replied:

NUTN2SAY in Pueblo--- Actually some geniuses of their day wrote the Constitution based on their knowledge and study of hundreds of years of world governments. I don't believe most of "We the people" really got it then and, as we all know, "We the people" of today are too damn stupid to even get it -- that is if they ever read it. Thanks publik skools!

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 10:16 PM

Cathy in Colorado said:

well pilgrims...since we know all of this, when are we gonna take the bastards down?

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 11:55 AM

Joe in California said:

The argument you use to condemn all Muslims is the same logic that can be used to condemn all christians for the actions of one segment of the group. Do you really believe ALL muslims are bloody thirsty religious zealots bent on destroying western civilization? Honestly? That's just not factually correct. Should all christians be condemned for the conquest and brutal subjugation of the Aztec's? Should all christianity be forever condemned for the Southern Baptist's support for slavery during the Civil War? I think not. The fact is that devil's work is not limited to only non-christians but exists even within men of cloth. Our job as christians is to see hate where it exists and work to bring peace in times of strife and seek reconciliation of all in the body of Christ, not spread demegogary. You preach violence against those with who you disagree - do you really want to forcefully have someone tattooed on their face? Even if you disagree with what they say - do you not believe in redemption?

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 2:22 PM

Burt Prelutsky in North Hills, CA replied:

Joe: I always dismiss as foolish anything said by anyone who compares what was done in the name of Christianity hundreds of years ago with what Muslims are doing in 2012. You ask if I think that all Muslims are blood-thirsty? No, I don't. But that doesn't mean that those who don't have the will or courage to be violent don't approve of the violence done in the name of their religion. After 9/11/01, I said that if Muslims in America didn't wish to be tarred with the same brush as the terrorists, they need only pass the hat at their local mosques and raise reward money for Osama bin Laden, dead or alive. It never happened. They raised money, but it was money that was funneled to terrorist groups in the Middle East until the FBI shut them down.

Burt

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 8:22 PM

Howard Last in Wyoming replied:

Burt: the only difference between one group of ragheads and another group of ragheads is how best to kill us. The objective is the same.

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 9:08 PM

RyDaddy in Madison, WI replied:

But when violence is mistakenly done in the name of Christ, the rest of the Christian community steps forward and disowns that individual/group, disavows and decrees those actions are in direct contradiction to Christ, not in his name.

Where are the "moderate" muslims who step forward and do the same when violence is done in the name of Allah? The silence is deafening.

Wednesday, November 28, 2012 at 2:27 PM

Joe in California said:

The argument you use to condemn all Muslims is the same logic that can be used to condemn all christians for the actions of one segment of the group. Do you really believe ALL muslims are bloody thirsty religious zealots bent on destroying western civilization? Honestly? That's just not factually correct. Should all christians be condemned for the conquest and brutal subjugation of the Aztec's? Should all christianity be forever condemned for the Southern Baptist's support for slavery during the Civil War? I think not. The fact is that devil's work is not limited to only non-christians but exists even within men of cloth. Our job as christians is to see hate where it exists and work to bring peace in times of strife and seek reconciliation of all in the body of Christ, not spread demegogary. You preach violence against those with who you disagree - do you really want to forcefully have someone tattooed on their face? Even if you disagree with what they say - do you not believe in redemption?

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 2:26 PM

Jim in Alabama replied:

Joe, Your points about vitriol are plain enough and fair. But...

Mark Levin has raised vitiol to a point of high artistic expression. But there's no one on air I'd rather hear. Burt Prelutsky tempers his harsh pronouncements greta with humor. I think Mark Alexander is one of our greatest American intellectual heroes, but invariably Burt's the first thing I read in The Patriot Post. Neither one pulls his punches. Read the Old Testament Prophets for examples of "Vitriol" from a divine level, or go the the New Testament where Christ takes a whip to the money changers in the Temple. Or where He sends out his disciples, sometimes with swords, sometimes without, depending. Peter wacks the ear off on of those coming for Christ in the garden. I'd suspect Christ knew Peter was packing before hand. He doesn't turn to Peter with a wrathful Never! He just says No, not now.

I agree with you that a lot of the name calling that goes on here is pretty lame. Cowardly, really, and that above all is what Christ was not.

I mean really! "I say you're a Blah Blah Blah. What are you gonna do about it?"..."Uh, well, I guess nothin Dude cause you are completely anonomous and unreachable."
Tough talk on a blog site is, by definition, not all that brave.

All that being said you need to get a handle on what's being said here, whether crudely or eloquently.

Sunday, November 25, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Joe in California replied:

Jim - agreed. The hate pouring forth from the Middle East in the name of the creator is shameful and I believe those responsible will be punished by the same creator for they should know better. I don't see christ's response to Peter in the garden as condoning violence though. Rather it was an adominition that violence is not the answer in the face of what was to come. Peter always seemed to have the hardest time with this part of christ's message, but in the end he saw the majesty in the creator's plan and came forth to establish a new order along with all the other apostles and folks Jesus touched. A rigorous rejection of hateful rehetoric is the only path I see out of this mess - not another $1 trillion dollars borrowed from the Chinese to fund endless war. As a people we need to return to our roots and demand our leaders begin offering real solutions rather than more blood & bombs those never win hearts or minds. For those societies that cannot see a path a way from violence, we should defend ourselves but only with great reluctance and never glorify it. we are still killing and that stain must be considered. I hope everyone had a wonderful weekend with those they love.

Sunday, November 25, 2012 at 4:49 PM

Brian in Newport News replied:

"The hate pouring forth from the Middle East in the name of the creator.." Joe, it sounds like you are referring to the Muslim's Allah as the creator. Nothing could be further from the truth! Though the Muslims claim the same roots as Judaism and Christianity, Islam is the spawn of Satan! Read your Bible and the Koran. The names used for Satan and the Anti-Christ are the same names for Allah and the Mahdi! How else can you explain their violence and intent on world domination? If God and Allah are one and the same, why does Allah direct the killing of infidels (Christians, Jews, etc)? A house divided against itself cannot stand!

Monday, November 26, 2012 at 9:51 AM

Jim in Alabama replied:

Jim Jones was not a Christian. He was an evil maniac. A bullet in the head years earlier, or maybe just a good tar and feathering, could have saved a thousand innocent lives. This something anyone can discern, who is not among those lying leftists who actively supported the guy for years.

Muhammad was not a messenger of God. His teachings were a borrowed corruption of Judeo Christian Scripture, reverse engineered, if you will, to serve a demonic power lust. They took what is useful to elevate works of obediance, and left God's message of mercy, buried in the bloody sand.

To understand Jim Jones' evil is to understand miniscule fraction of the evil of Mohammad. They both did exactly the same thing. Mohammed was just a lot more successful. The historic measure of Islam's slaughter is taken by the hundreds of millions. Ghengis Khan, Communism and Islam compete for the prize for history's top murder machine. Islam is probably first.

World wide there are a few sects that have stood against violent Jihad. We should encourage them but plainly understand that they the exception and are counted as heretics among Moslems.

All that is being said here is that we need to know the whole of Islam is our enemy. It is the enemy of freedom. They are playing the long game.
Many will "make nice" but understand, as they smile at you, that your children will answer to Allah, and they will do so on their knees if they wish to keep hteir heads.

Sunday, November 25, 2012 at 12:51 PM

Joe in California said:

Burt - "If you depend on the mainstream media -- and why would anyone? – you would come to believe that Muslims are decent, law-abiding people and Christian conservatives are blood-thirsty ogres. It is because of promoting such head-spinning balderdash that the American press has earned the contempt of millions of us." Maybe the commenters and you should read the comments folks posted here - I see a lot of talk of violence by christians against muslims: see comments by Old Sarge above as a prime example.

Have all of you fallen so far into the grip of the devil's lifestyle of death and hate that raghead becomes your word of choice? That arguing christianity supports war (guns of Shiloh - are you saying god supported the killing going on in the Civil war despite four clear references in the bible to live in peace including the First Commandment given in the Old Testement and the second commandment of Jesus Christ...really? That's pretty shocking to a fellow christian).

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 2:38 PM

Wayne in Hinesville, GA replied:

Joe, I don't have to justify my comments to an appeaser like you. I know enough about the Moslems to know they hate our very being. I suspect they call us even more hateful names than raghead. Their whole ideology is based on world domination and with folks like you who can't come to grips with that they might just succeed.

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 6:33 PM

Joe in California replied:

My comment wasn't directed at you, Old Sarge, but rather at the author of the piece. It's unfortunate your so consumed with bitterness and hate. I will pray for you.

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Holmes Simons in Tampa replied:

What is so "unfortunate" is that an expert in psychology, such as you, Joe, is not smart enough to know the difference between "your" and "you are". I guess you still have your government job....hanging out with other imbeciles all day.

Sunday, November 25, 2012 at 8:08 AM

Joe in California replied:

Feel free to contine to mock me, but please listen to what I'm saying. The message of peace and love offered by Christ in the bible wont change even if you refuse to listen and believe.

Sunday, November 25, 2012 at 12:46 PM

Wayne in Hinesville, GA replied:

Pray for me all you want. I appreciate the thought but that doesn't negate the fact that the Moslems mean to dominate the world. Telling the truth doesn't mean I am bitter or hateful. It means I don't stick my head in the sand and ignore reality. There is a difference between loving your neighbor and standing by and letting that neighbor kill you in the name of religion.

Sunday, November 25, 2012 at 1:53 PM

Joe in California replied:

This may be the first sensible thing I've seen you post. I've not advocated for anyone to standby and let hate rule the world - but I'm opposed to hate and violence no matter it's source - in the name of religion, in the name of empire, in the name of economic growth...etc. slinging disparaging comments such as appeaser, raghead etc does nothing to advance a meaningful conversation on the problem presented by hate/satan under the guise of religion...but that road is not paved solely by those who call themselves muslims, jews, christians, athesist, communist, capitalist, etc. hate is hate and must be resisted.

Sunday, November 25, 2012 at 5:10 PM

Burt Prelutsky in North Hills, CA replied:

If you don't hate evil, Joe, you condone it. You clearly have a holier-than-thou attitude that nothing you have posted here entitles you to have.

Burt

Sunday, November 25, 2012 at 9:13 PM

Holmes Simons in Tampa replied:

Burt, everyday Joe participates in the demise of California, as he continues to draw a taxpayer funded paycheck as a bureaucrat while producing absolutely nothing of value in return....unless one counts his postings of egomaniacal evangelism. Oops, that would also lack value, wouldn't it?

Monday, November 26, 2012 at 8:19 AM

Just Saying in Idaho replied:

Joe, one cannot have a conversation with hate. The muslim fanatics only understand force, not appeasment. Please pray for them, but you should be prepared to fight them also, if it comes to that. It's stupid to think that you can reason with them.

Tuesday, November 27, 2012 at 10:37 PM

L.L. Smith in Savannah, Tn. replied:

If Christians are not allowed to fight for what is right then we owe our once great nation to no one except non-Christians. Policemen and all law enforcement have to be non-Christian. I seek trouble from no one but I stand ready to defend family, life and country against all those who would murder and enslave me and my fellow Americans. If your stand is that Christians are never allowed to defend themselves then we owe everything to others. General Robert E. Lee and General Stonewall Jackson were very strong Christians.Some our greates heroes have been also. When Christians refuse to fight for freedom and justice then we are trying to ride the coat tails of others into a good free life which others bled and died for.
I have the will and the means to defend my family, my neighbors and my country against all enemis, foreign and domestic.
A man who will not defend his own family and country is useless when the chips are down. I hope you enjoy that which cost you nothing but it cost others everything.

1.1 Timothy 5:8
But if any provide not for his own, and specially for those of his own house, he hath denied the faith, and is worse than an infidel.

God bless

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 8:23 PM

Joe in California replied:

My stand is that killing is clearly prohibited and that any violation of that command is a sin. I won't impose that belief on others and I'm not unaware of how hard that message is to lead - we are all human and fail to live the message. I'm just appalled at the discussion on this site which is offered up in the name of christianity yet the author asks why folks see christians as blood thirsty. The example christ set was a hard one but the only right one - willing submission to the point of being nailed to a cross. All of us have a human immeritive towards survival - so did christ: look at the suffering christ went through in the garden before deciding to submit of his own free will. Remember that mortal fear he had before you so easily dismiss my points. The easy discussion of violence on this site is nothing more than the pornography of war and death that was rejected by christ and that is the work of satan.

Sunday, November 25, 2012 at 12:54 PM

Howard Last in Wyoming replied:

Joe, the original commandment was "Thou shall not MURDER". One of the English kings modified it to Thou shall not KILL. A slight difference.

Sunday, November 25, 2012 at 6:17 PM

Joe in California replied:

Howard - thanks for pointing that distinction out. I guess I should keep trying to be ever more clear in order to provide more nuance. I'll expand more below in response to Burt's reply.

Sunday, November 25, 2012 at 10:21 PM

Burt Prelutsky in North Hills, CA replied:

Joe: Christ used the whip on the moneychangers...and as evil goes, usury doesn't come close to matching the evil that Islamcs are committing all over the world.

Burt

Sunday, November 25, 2012 at 9:15 PM

Burt Prelutsky in North Hills, CA replied:

Joe: I haven't employed the word "raghead" in any of the many articles and book chapters I have devoted to Islam.

I don't know what God thought about the Civil War, but I, 150 years later, am opposed to it. I think 620,000 dead Americans was far too high a price to pay to maintain a Union. That's especially the case now, when I wish the country would divide along political lines.

God, keep in mind, killed Egypt's first born, turned Lot's wife to a pillar of salt and destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. Hardly the gentlest of souls.

But once again, I will point out that you keep bringing up Christians of the 19th century and the rest of us are talking about present day Muslims. Just what would be your response to those who cut off the heads of living human beings, blow up school buses and pizza parlors, and shoot missiles into Israel? And what is Joe's policy as regards a nuclear Iran?

Instead of sermonizing the rest of us, perhaps you could take a moment to tell us how you would deal with the agents of terrorism?

Burt

Burt

Sunday, November 25, 2012 at 1:21 PM

Joe in California replied:

Burt - this is a long post so bear with me:

re: usage of ragheads - that point was in reference to the commenters use of the term. not yours. sorry for any confusing usage on my part.

Re: Old Testament god - Jesus fulfilled the Old Testament and showed us a deeper relationship with the creator founded on universal love and away from an understanding of our creator who favors one human group over another (the Jews in the OT). Accordingly, much of the Old Testament vengeful god who attacks only the enemies of the Jews, rains fire down on those who don't listen to commandments, but includes innocent people in the death and destruction (Lot's wife is super tough to me because the punishment is so disproportionate to the crime, but S&G is easy - there were children and unborn in that town who were surely innocent so again - the punishment outweigh any crime committed) is at such odds with the central message christ delivered that it isn't of much use to me other than to emphasize the radical new relationship and understanding of our creator christ offered.

Re: christians of the 19th century vs. today - my point was in response to your question of why folks think some christians sound pretty bloodthirsty and my response was to look at many of the posts on this site in which commenters mix violence and statements of faith with far too much zeal. To lots of our fellow americans – christian and non-christian – that can appear pretty blood thirsty.

Sunday, November 25, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Wayne in Hinesville, GA replied:

Your questioning God tells me you aren't really a Christian. You want to live in a Utopian world but it doesn't exist. You use the Bible to espouse your feelings but turn right around and question God's judgement concerning Lot's wife and the innocent people in Sodom and Gomorah. Either your believe in God's plan or you don't. Stop being holier than thou and trying to tell the rest us how we should feel or act.

Monday, November 26, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Joe in California replied:

Terrorism is not new in human history and the christian response should be the same as it always should be: to work rigorously for peace and reconciliation by all means possible. To be clear where maybe I was not before, that statement doesn't mean arguing against defense of our civilization (but in that statement I’m thinking of warfare such as WWII as that war was more fundamentally about stopping a gravely immoral war on so many levels by Germany, Italy and Japan). Some humans are always going to be bellicose and inclined to war and civilization has a right to defend itself in order to protect innocent life, but it's not the job of a christian to take joy in that necessary action and any response taken by a christian must be proportionate to the threat involved or it is not a moral action.

It's only human to be angry at the actions the terrorists take as any loss of human life is a violation of the sacredness of life and universal peace expressed in the new testament, but the appropriate response is working for peace with all our hearts and minds and only once all those avenues are closed move to war.

Sunday, November 25, 2012 at 11:17 PM

Joe in California replied:

Nuclear Iran is a clear danger and it must not come to pass, but we must work all avenues of prevention before we resort to the loss of human life that will inevitably come from war.

As far as the civil war goes - the loss of life was appalling I completely agree - books and shows I've seen on the war make that abundantly clear. i don’t take the view that America or the Union is a failure so IMHO it's in the past so all we can do is learn from it. But I have to ask since you take the position of letting the south go its own way: what would you have done with our fellow Americans who were in slavery if the North let the South go as they wished? Should they have been left in bondage? I have a hard time wrapping my head around any christian justification for slavery so the position of some people in the southern states on race issues (and the clear support for slavery in the South at the time of the CW) has always been one that's been hard to understand and I’ve never seen it as moral. Maybe the solution would have been - ok, you can go free, but only by setting all slaves free. That's seems a way to have avoided the war, achieved the goal of freedom for our fellow human beings in bondage, and let folks who had other visions of freedom go their way “peacefully”. From what I know of the situation back then I doubt the offer would have been taken seriously by the leaders in the south or even offered by the leaders in the north, but it’s the only solution I can see looking back on the Sesquicentennial.

Sunday, November 25, 2012 at 11:17 PM

BJ in St. Cloud, MN said:

Kevin,
love your virgin picture. Reminded me of how after surviving Catholic school nuns for most of grade school how I've suffered enough, and muslim goat suckers don't scare me as much as nuns with guns. The goat butt sniffers have a proverb about how taking revenge inside of a 30 year period would be acting in haste. 1993, 2001 WTC attacks were spread pretty close. Just remember the muslims don't mean us well, ever. They will take what they can if we give them a chance and they will take from us even if we don't. They do not mean us to survive them. They are on the road to control just like the liberals. Now that America is gone I spend no more of my time watching Fox News or reading the Patriot, except Burt and a couple others while I eat my lunch because the time for saving America is gone. Between obamacare and the people that put that scum in office we have lost, it's over. We were warned that once we lose the Republic we wouldn't get it back and too many tolerated and reached across the aisle while they made the slope even more slippery. Now the govt is in our churches, our schools, our doctors office, our businesses, and our bedrooms. Now the likes of welfare whores, abortion sluts, supposedly disabled people, homosexuals, and the chronically unemployed are running America while us hard working business people lost our say. It's our own fault because we trusted republicans. We've been betrayed by our school teachers, our politicians, and our media. I for one am now looking for ways to do like the squirrels do behind my store, I'm protecting MY nuts. The ship is going down and it's every man for himself.

TERM LIMITS don't matter any more
IMPEACHING doesn't matter anymore
PROSECUTE doesn't matter anymore.

It's gone, we lost it thru our complacency and I believe that only a total collapse of our society would bring us close to getting it back.
God Help Us.

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 3:54 PM

Joe in California replied:

I'll pray you find peace in your turmoil.

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 4:12 PM

Kevin from Arkansas in USA replied:

BJ:

I went K-12 to a Catholic school. All the good Sisters of St. Joseph needed to put the fear of God into you were those rosaries they wore around their waists with beads the size of walnuts. Add a good stout ruler and that was more than enough to keep us in line. If you gave them any lip it only happened once. They didn't worry about your self esteem. God bless every one of them who had me as their student. I still see my Senior year home room teacher every time I get back to my home town. She's still doing great almost 45 years after I graduated.

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 5:01 PM

Joe in California replied:

I remember Sister Flo who not only taught us math skills but served as a role model of humility, grace and service that gives me warm fuzzies when I think back on my time with her. RIP!

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 5:31 PM

Holmes Simons in Tampa replied:

She may have taught, but you didn't learn.

Sunday, November 25, 2012 at 8:09 AM

Burt Prelutsky in North Hills, CA replied:

Kevin: Probably the best education you could get in the old days, at least next to one run by nuns with rulers, was going to a school that was 98% Jewish.

Burt

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 8:30 PM

Kevin from Arkansas in USA replied:

Absolutely agree, Burt.

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 9:02 PM

Howard Last in Wyoming replied:

BJ: it comes down to the cartridge box. Some guy by the name of Jefferson foretold it.

Saturday, November 24, 2012 at 9:10 PM