Thursday Column
When Debating a Liberal, Start With First Principles
"On every question of construction, carry ourselves back to the time when the Constitution was adopted, recollect the spirit manifested in the debates and instead of trying what meaning may be squeezed out of the text or invented against it, conform to the probable one in which it was passed." --Thomas Jefferson

There are only two rules you need to know when debating a liberal.
Rule Number One: You must define the debate in terms of First Principles, which is to say, you must be able to articulate those principles. (Read Essential Liberty for more.)
Conservatives subscribe to the fundamental doctrine of Essential Liberty as enumerated by our Founders in the Declaration of Independence and our Constitution. We understand that individual responsibility is the foundation of a free society. We advocate for the restoration of constitutional limits on government and the judiciary. We promote free enterprise, national defense and traditional American values.
In short, conservatives endeavor to conserve Rule of Law as our guiding principle, and any legitimate policy debate must start there.
Liberals, on the other hand, subscribe to principles du jour; whatever solution feels best for the day's most popular, fashionable, or prominent cause célèbre.
In short, they believe that the feel-good solution (a.k.a. "rule of man") supersedes Rule of Law.
For the most part, today's liberals are a case study in hypocrisy, the antithesis of the once noble Democrat Party, the party of Thomas Jefferson.
Liberals speak of unity, but they incessantly foment disunity, appealing to the worst in human nature by dividing Americans into constituent dependencies. They speak of freedom of thought -- except when your thought doesn't comport with theirs. They assert First Amendment rights -- except when it comes to religion or speech that doesn't agree with theirs. They promote tolerance -- except while practicing intolerance and seeking to silence dissenters.
Liberals deride moral clarity because they can't survive its scrutiny. They protest for the preservation of natural order while advocating homosexuality. They denounce capital punishment for the most heinous of criminals while ardently supporting the killing of the most helpless and innocent among us -- the unborn, the infirm and the aged.
Liberals loathe individual responsibility and advocate statism. They eschew private initiative and enterprise while promoting all manner of government control and regulation.
Now, I'm not suggesting that everything liberals believe or support is wrong, but their underlying philosophical doctrine surely undermines our "unalienable right to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness," as established by "the laws of nature and nature's God."
As Ronald Reagan observed, "The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so."
Thus, don't be snookered into defending or denouncing the merits of any issue as framed in liberal terms. Such deliberations are rarely resolved and tend to end in gridlock, or worse, deadlock. (If congressional Republicans really want to end gridlock, they too need to control the debate in terms of First Principles.)
One means of taking control of a debate is to inquire whether an opponent has ever taken an oath to "support and defend" our Constitution. (If you have not, or wish to reaffirm your oath, then we invite you to do so by registering with The Essential Liberty Project.
If your opponent answers "yes," then inquire as to which constitution -- the one upon which our nation was founded, or the so-called "living constitution" adulterated by generations of legislative and judicial diktat.
Of course, you must be prepared to explain the difference -- to explain that only one of these constitutions exists in written form, while the other is a mere fabrication. This can be best accomplished by presenting your copy of the Essential Liberty Guide.
Another means of framing the debate is to ask your opponent to articulate the difference between constitutional Rule of Law and the rule of men. Again, you must be prepared to explain the difference.
You may also start by asking your opponent what "liberal" means. Most liberals will define "liberal" in terms of the issues they support, so ask your opponent if those issues comport with our Constitution.
Once you've framed the debate in terms of First Principles, give your liberal opponent a recess, and a copy of the Essential Liberty Guide.
Principled liberals (admittedly an oxymoron) will remain satisfied that what they feel is equivalent to, or even supersedes, Rule of Law. These poor souls are on their way to becoming über liberals, or Leftists, and are probably beyond any logical redemption.
But if you use your Essential Liberty Guide as an education tool rather than a hammer, some liberals may actually start to come around, and this conversion should be your primary objective.
Further, if confronted by your opponent with a challenge to provide a constitutional defense for some Republican legislation, don't bite. Most Republican legislation, though it may be more in line with our Constitution, rarely comports with the plain language of Rule of Law. Don't let your opponent frame you as a hypocrite. Remember: You are, first and foremost, a constitutional conservative, not a tool of any political party.
Alas, selective interpretation of our Constitution has expanded its meaning beyond any semblance of its original intent, and it will take time and discipline to contract its meaning through due process to restore its original intent.
Finally...
Rule Number Two: You must distinguish between liberals and Leftists. The former subscribe to a plethora of contemporaneous solutions, while the latter are bona fide "useful idiots," those Western apologists for socialist political and economic agendas that terminate with the institution of Marxist-Leninist-Maoist collectivism masquerading as regulation and taxation.
When it comes to debating Leftists, the outcome is utterly dependent on who has superior firepower.
36 Comments
sue
Thursday, March 11, 2010 at 11:54 AM
Good article. We all need to have good ideas on winning our private debates with Democrats.Please do something on the new nomenclature the Liberals are using. Every 10-15 years the Democrats reinvent themselves, just going with the flow of whatever social changes are the current rage. Since "Liberal" now has been dirtied up, they speak of themselves as "Progressives", a much less judgemental sounding term. We should NOT let them get by with it. Just like roses, a liberal is a liberal is a liberal.
Anne Conder
Thursday, March 11, 2010 at 11:56 AM
Excellent analysis. Thank you!! It is very helpful to understand the futility of arguing with the "radical left." I have been naive enough to believe that surely they, too, sought truth and that a logical presentation of truth would change their minds. I have been beating my head against the wall. I look forward to less knots on my noggin now!! :)
Gary Carlson
Thursday, March 11, 2010 at 12:03 PM
You don't need to fall into the trap of saying the Democrat Party is the party of Thomas Jefferson. As you know, he was a member of the Democratic-Republican party which is sometimes called the Anti-Federalist Party. As you also know, at the time of Jefferson there was neither a Republican party nor a Democratic party. So, don't fall into that poltical trap as the modern day Democrats want people to do.
Charles E Pehl
Thursday, March 11, 2010 at 12:06 PM
"When it comes to debating Leftists, the outcome is ..dependent.. on superior firepower." Finallysomeone who understands how to handle the Left!Since politics begins at the barrel of a gun, theSecond Amendment insures that "We The People"do not collectively but individually hold the gun.
Kenneth Rhea
Thursday, March 11, 2010 at 12:33 PM
While I do not agree 100% with everything this guy says here, he at least is trying to get us to rethink the proposed solutions from a different perspective. If a "Republican" is trying to pass CRAP, is it any less crap just because a "Republican" is the author of it? We need to seek to elect CONSTITUTIONAL REPUBLICANS to office; else what is the difference as to who is forging the chains that seek to enslave us? REMEMBER, IT WAS THE REPUBLICANS WHO GAVE US THE PATRIOT ACT!
Kenneth Rhea
Thursday, March 11, 2010 at 12:48 PM
Larry Elder wrote an article entitled "Republican Collectivism" which was also published here at The Patriot. I suggest you read his article.
Christian-Edward
Thursday, March 11, 2010 at 1:04 PM
I wanted to thank you for your structured presentation. However I would comment that although honestly was not lacking - you did not explain the thought process behind becoming a liberal in the first place. I was a liberal socialist pretty much (always voted independent) until Ron Paul's run taught me the values and RESPONSIBILITY of personal Liberty.You're also painting liberals as very evil - this tends to foment opposition only based on someone getting their feelings hurt. I appreciate candid thoughts as long as you can appreciate candid critisism :-)On another note we've been seeing a lot of these posts on PyraBang lately - this one was posted by a member who goes by the media name "dandan" - his link is below if any of you would like to join our braintrust :-)http://www.pyrabang.com/go/dandan
Dennis Lee
Thursday, March 11, 2010 at 1:08 PM
Mr. Alexander, I could not help but notice the mirror image of your debate re: essential liberties and of explaining the gospel of Jesus Christ. Both worthy causes!!!Dennis Lee
Donald Carey
Thursday, March 11, 2010 at 1:27 PM
Terrific comment and presentation...but 'they' never do admit anything...ie...in discussing WWII, I used the analogy that Germany didnot attack us first...the liberal GB hater could not even admit that point....this will help in maintaining the focus..thank you
Marcy Dupre
Thursday, March 11, 2010 at 1:47 PM
Thanks, Mark for your excellent essay! All too often, the Progressive will appeal to the emotion--the "feel-good," rather than the "think-good"--what's best for the majority of people. Thus, the current rush to ban firearms in the hands of citizens, and to provide "entitled" health care for everyone, citizen or not. I have a number of friends who espouse progressive-ism, forgetting that someone has to eventually pay for all the "free" care they want to provide. First Principles, individual responsibility, personal faith, and personal productivity will make this nation great again. Thanks for a great post.
Rick left coast right winger
Thursday, March 11, 2010 at 2:00 PM
I have used the Declaration's "Life, Liberty, and the Pursuit of Happiness" as a foundation for my arguments against abortion with liberals. These are "inalienable" rights that most liberals apparently rarely consider, but will generally agree with. The Founders put Life first because without it, all other rights were obviously meaningless. I then mention that these are American rights and that the 40 million plus babies that have been aborted since 1973 were Americans that were denied that right, along with all subsequent rights. All because of "choice". The "choice" to kill one's offspring is not a right found in any historic documents and certainly not a right given by our Creator.
Bud
Thursday, March 11, 2010 at 2:41 PM
Thanks for the nuts & bolts clarity of what a true consevative is, and how we should best communicate with others.
Ed Otero
Thursday, March 11, 2010 at 2:44 PM
If we are to remedy the problems that exist in todays world, we must start over with some basic rules. For example, The Ten Commandments, accompanied by the idea that we must hold everyone accountable for their actions (good or bad). Lets also include integrity, respect, discipline and the fact that the world owes you nothing. Should we be fortunate enough to get humankind to think and act along these lines, we just might salvage ourselves.
ILEANA
Thursday, March 11, 2010 at 3:01 PM
Why continue the debate? Every argument a conservative might bring is going to fall on deaf ears - the current brand of liberals/progressives do not understand reason, only feelings and their communist ideology with which are marching full steam ahead. It appears to be the same with many rinos in the House and Senate. Case in point, Lindsey Graham(Rino) has teamed up with Chuck Schumer(D) to speed up the amnesty bill for illegal aliens and proposed a national I.D. card. Anybody who thinks either plans are a good idea, have not lived under a communist government to see what they did to their citizens with the national ID card, how every move across city lines, state lines was tracked, how their bio information was used against them, including their medical records. Now that technology is so advanced, biometrics will make it much easier to track each and every one of us, almost like a bad SciFi movie. Do we need government's permission to move from place to place, register with the police at all times or else go to jail, carry this ID at all times or risk being arrested for non-identity compliance? Speeding up the amnesty ensures that 30+ million illegals will become permanent democrat voters. What will become of American freedom? It will turn into a Soviet style, fear ridden, punishment ridden, looking over your shoulder, watch what you say even to your family totalitarian regime. You will be watched 24/7. Fight it now while we still have a chance to preserve some freedom.
Rifleman
Thursday, March 11, 2010 at 3:30 PM
I come from a long line of Mediterranean freedom fighters, reaching back dozens of generations and I know without question that Tyranny's First Principle is to make people afraid of Authority. Witness how we Americans have come to a vague, ill-defined unease because of our government. Let Obama have his way with health "care" and we will soon come to fear the IRS in all of its manifestations. Obama and his Central Planners know that the life blood of this nation is the tradition, the RIGHT, to MAKE (create) money. Under the aegis of the IRS -- a faceless, ubiquitous, omnipresent and omnipotent bureaucracy -- Obama can cause The People to become afraid of the smallest misstep. We would then become like the Colonists, knowing that the British were about to land troops somewhere in America but not knowing exactly where or when. There was no rest from the fear, imagined or real. New Yorkers absolutely refused to side with the rebelling Colonists. They were afraid of risking what they owned for the sake of Freedom from monarchial rule. The people of the 1950s Soviet Union, the Germans of the 1930s and '40s, shared the common, unspoken fear of the 3:00 A.M. pounding on the door and the shouted words: "Open this door! Authority is here!" The expected response is always acquiescence. If there is any resistance, a government wedded to economic tyranny would need to make public examples of just a few recalcitrant people. Direct the IRS to confiscate their wealth, drive the family into the street, single out their children in school as being uncooperative, threaten to audit any attorney who would defend them and make the bureaucracy so unintelligible and imponderable that resistance would be futile. You'd be surprised how quickly a deathly pall would descend across this nation. Obama has said that We, the People will "have to learn to live with less." Make no mistake. Obama knows that it's all about the money and he truly believes that he can do what he wishes with it. George III and Obama share the same opinion of the Colonial Rabble: that we exist at their behest and for their pleasure; that we have no Rights but what they deem as proper. They have plans woven into their health "care" Pogrom designed to make us afraid of not complying. That's how serious the coming vote is. That's how dangerous Obama, Reid and Pelosi are to this Republic. Make the people afraid of the government's displeasure and the rest is silence. We Americans have rescued billions of non-Americans. Who is there who could -- or would -- rescue us?