Letter to an Eagle Scout

Jan. 30, 2013
(NOTE: This letter is a response from Mark Alexander to his son, a Cadet at the U.S. Air Force Academy, concerning the Boy Scouts of America national board proposal to allow homosexual Scout leaders into positions of leadership. Alexander is both a Troop Scoutmaster and member of his area Boy Scout Executive Council.) Postscript added on 01FEB.

I received your note about news of an upcoming proposal before the Boy Scouts of America national board. According to the news release regarding that proposal, “The BSA is discussing potentially removing the national membership restriction regarding sexual orientation.” You are correct, the removal of this restriction will permit local BSA Councils to accept avowed homosexuals as members and, moreover, to allow homosexuals to serve in leadership positions at all levels of the organization. Given the immediate protests this proposal evoked from rank-and-file leaders and Scouts, a decision on this unfortunate matter has been delayed until the May annual meeting.

I understand your profound disappointment in this great organization, after all you accomplished to obtain your Eagle rank. I share that disappointment as your former Scoutmaster, and many years in other leadership positions with the BSA.

A decade ago, when you first joined my Cub Scout Pack, I wrote the BSA’s National Executive Board about concerns regarding advertisers in the Cub and Boy Scouting magazines. The great Scouting stories were wrapped in ads for junk food and video games.

I was struck by the fact that on the one hand, we, as leaders, were charged with encouraging our boys to develop healthy habits for life – and on the other hand, the national organization was serving them a monthly dose of junk food and video game advertising.

The BSA responded that without those advertisers, it would be difficult to fund their glossy publications. I rebutted that this was a “Faustian bargain,” that it conveyed the wrong message in every respect. I heard nothing more from the BSA.

Fast forward to the BSA news this week. In light of all the reports and litigation over the abusive predation on boys by homosexual adults in leadership positions with churches and other organizations, the notion that the BSA is considering lifting its ban on homosexuals holding such positions is mind numbing, stupefying – in fact, shocking.

Now, clearly all homosexuals are not molesters of teens and pre-teens, but where same-sex molestation occurs, homosexuals are almost always the perpetrators. So, why would the national BSA board consider a motion to remove its national restriction on homosexual leaders, and invite avowed homosexuals to fill “select leadership” roles?

Well, for much the same reason the BSA advertised junk food and video games in its national Scouting magazines. Several corporations have pulled their support for the BSA because of their sexual orientation policies, including Intel, Merck and UPS. Verizon is now being pressured by homosexual advocacy groups to withhold its support. The national BSA board includes a few wealthy corporate executives, who appear to be more interested in dictating BSA policy that comports with their corporate bottom line than with the mission of Scouting. They are completely out of touch with rank and file Scouts and leaders across the nation.

Indeed, much of the pressure to put homosexuals in leadership roles is coming from two national board members: James Turley, CEO of Ernst & Young, and Randall Stephenson, CEO of AT&T, who is slated to become president of the BSA national board in 2014.

Despite the fact that the Supreme Court ruled in favor of the BSA’s ban on homosexuals in 2000, these BSA board members are endeavoring to force their social agenda on 3.6 million Scouts and adult leaders. They want Scouting to comply with their corporate policies, which have adopted the homosexual agenda under pressure, primarily from the Gay and Lesbian Alliance Against Defamation and the so-called “Human Rights” Campaign.

While homosexuals account for fewer than 3 percent of the population, they have some very loud advocacy organizations. But, there is nothing “gay” about Gender Disorientation Pathology.

The BSA also excludes avowed atheists from leadership positions, but David Silverman, president of American Atheists, said, “If they are considering lifting the ban on gays, that’s a good thing. I would hope they remove the rest of the bigotry and admit atheists as well.”

Last summer, the BSA committee charged with conducting a two-year national study and survey on the restrictions against homosexuals, affirmed by “unanimous consensus,” that upholding those restrictions was “absolutely the best policy for the Boy Scouts.” (Did they really need a two-year study to figure that out?) But now, a few corporate execs are attempting a policy end run around the local councils and all of us who are Scouting’s foot soldiers, and they hope for a quick sweep of the board.

So what will be the consequences if the national board approves of this measure in May?

The national BSA restriction against homosexual members and leaders has provided a cover policy for the 290 BSA Councils across the nation, and the more than 115,000 religious and civic groups under which BSA Troops are chartered. Abandoning this restriction will move the cultural battlefront to the front door of every council and troop across the nation – including their sponsors and chartering organizations, and fracture the organization at every level. “A house divided against itself cannot stand.”

In short order, those of us who have devoted so many years to the BSA’s outstanding character-building programs, will be labeled “intolerant bigots” if we do not comport with the “gay agenda.” Likewise, every chartering and sponsoring organization will be threatened with such labels.

The BSA celebrated its centennial in 2010, but if this proposal is approved, Scouting, as we know it today, will cease to exist. Case in point would the Scouts Canada, the Canadian counterpart to the BSA. When their national board reversed their policy on homosexuals, membership plummeted by 50 percent.

Obviously, a few elitist corporate types on the BSA’s National Executive Board hail from some alternate universe. The mere suggestion of lifting the restrictions against homosexuals, particularly in leadership positions, is an insulting affront to the vast majority of Scouts, Scout leaders and parents, Scout Councils and chartering organizations.

The National Board should provide cover fire for their local affiliates, not spotlight them as targets for infiltration and annihilation. If the BSA Board is more devoted to its corporate sponsors than the organization’s mission, and fears it will collapse without those sponsors, then let it fall with honor rather than decline in disgrace.

Finally, in this era when few of our national leaders abide by their oaths of office, I know you will stand firm in the oath you took upon becoming a Scout, and repeated many times on the road to your Eagle rank: “On my honor I will do my best to do my duty to God and my country and to obey the Scout Law; to help other people at all times; to keep myself physically strong, mentally awake, and morally straight.”

And what is the Scout Law? “A Scout is: Trustworthy, Loyal, Helpful, Friendly, Courteous, Kind, Obedient, Cheerful, Thrifty, Brave, Clean and Reverent.”

I know you will always honor your Scout oath, as you will your oath to “support and defend” out Constitution. Hold your ground young man!

Note:If you have an opinion on this matter, please contact the Chief Scout Executive, Wayne Brock by email (Wayne.Brock@Scouting.org) or phone (972.580.2000). You can also respond to the BSA’s national poll at 972-580-2400 and leave them a message here (http://www.scouting.org/ContactUs.aspx To call select board members directly, click here for their phone numbers.)

Postscript 01FEB: By way of followup to my Letter to and Eagle Scout, if you are one of those who is “mixed” when it comes to opinions on the homosexual agenda, the strongest words against this BSA proposal would be Obama’s endorsement of it: “I think that, uh, you know, my attitude is, is that gays and lesbians should have, uh, access, and, and, opportunity, uh, the same way everybody else does, uh, in every institution and walk of life, and, um, you know, the, the scouts are a great institution, uh, that, are [sic], uh, promoting, uh, young people and exposing them to, uh, you know, opportunities, and, and, leadership, uh, that, you know, will serve people, uh, for the rest of their lives.” (For the record, the most distinct “poker tell” which betrays Obama’s efforts to deceive, is his prolific use of “uh” when he is telling a lie that is not scripted from a teleprompter. Additionally, he was turning his head back and forth as to say “no” when answering “yes” to on this issue.) After the national protest from BSA rank and file leaders and members, I would like to believe the BSA board will defeat the proposal to remove its proscription against avowed homosexuals. But then, as is often the case with national government, religious and civic “leadership,” most are insulated from the those they, ostensibly, serve. Consequently, too often their actions are wholly inconsistent with the positions of their constituents – on the arrogant assumption that they are much wiser than grassroots Americans. Thus, if the BSA board passes this measure, and straps the responsibility for enforcing this restriction on Councils nationwide, then every Council, chartering organization, Troop, sponsor, donor, and even Scout, will become subject to being labeled “bigots” by homosexual advocates in their Council area. Even if just one homosexual protests against a Council, that will be trumpeted in the local media, and the result will be a challenge to every organizational and support level of that Council. For the record, over the past four years, Barack Obama has been signing Eagle certificates, even though for the first three of those four years, he opposed homosexual marriage and open homosexual military service. Last year, Obama reversed his position on both counts. That leaves one to question from whom does the BSA national board take its orders…? Some have suggested if the BSA board passes this measure to shift the burden to local Councils, Scouting as we know it will be over in a decade. I must respectfully disagree – it will be over in a year, not ten…

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SemperFi in BSA Council said:

PHONE NUMBER CORRECTION: If you have an opinion on this matter, please contact the BSA national office at 972-580-2000, or respond to their national poll (for what that is worth) at 972-580-2400. I recommend you leave them a message here (http://www.scouting.org/ContactUs.aspx)

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:07 PM

Frederick A. Leser, Jr. in Eugene, OR replied:

Can not get an e-mail to BSA. Will you please check and post or e-mail me. Thanks FAL

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 7:27 PM

WTD in AZ replied:

FAL Try www.scouting.org Click on "Contact us" at bottom of home page.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 11:07 PM

Mark Alexander in Tennessee replied:

By way of followup to my Letter to and Eagle Scout, I will be shocked if the national BSA board does not defeat the proposal to remove its proscription against avowed homosexuals after the massive national protest from its rank and file leaders and members. But then, as is often the case with national government, religious and civic "leadership," most are insulated from the those they, ostensibly, serve. Consequently, too often their actions are wholly inconsistent with their constituents -- on the theory that they know better than us...

Thus, if the BSA board passes this measure, and straps the responsibility for enforcing this restriction on Councils nationwide, then every Council, chartering organization, Troop, sponsor, donor, and even Scout, will become subject to being labeled "bigots" by homosexual advocates in their Council area. Even if just one homosexual protests against a Council, that will be trumpeted in the local media, and the result will be a challenge to every organizational and support level of that Council.

For the record, over the past four years, Barack Obama has been signing Eagle certificates, even though for the first three of those four years, he opposed homosexual marriage and open homosexual military service. Last year, Obama reversed his position on both counts. That leaves one to question from whom does the BSA national board take its orders...?

Some have suggested if the BSA board passes this measure to shift the burden to local Councils, Scouting as we know it will be over in a decade. I must respectfully disagree -- it will be over in a year, not ten...

Friday, February 1, 2013 at 3:12 PM

Mark Alexander in Tennessee replied:

And one more note: Bravo Zulu to the enterprising BSA staff member who leaked the memo on this proposal in order to stir up national protest. The net effect is that the proposal could not be dropped on the national board meeting next week without advance warning and objection.

Sunday, February 3, 2013 at 6:39 PM

Blaine Hlebechuk in Eugene, Or replied:

Great, I guess my scout will have to wait at least 4 years to achieve Eagle Scout. Niether he nor I want Barrys name anywhere near his Eagle award.

Monday, February 4, 2013 at 2:39 AM

Holly in Tacoma, WA said:

Now, clearly all homosexuals are not molesters of teens and pre-teens, but where same-sex molestation occurs, homosexuals are almost always the perpetrators. So, why would the national BSA board consider a motion to remove its national restriction on homosexual leaders, and invite avowed homosexuals to fill "select leadership" roles?

So what about all the straight men that are just molesters? Should we praise them and be okay with it? This letter was disgusting. And its because of people like you that our great nation will continue to be discriminatory. Thank God you will never be a Scoutmaster with my son. I would never allow such a close minded ignorant fool be around my kid.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:08 PM

Kristin in Utah replied:

Thank you, Holly! I couldnt agree more!!!!

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Sharkei in Fair Oaks CA replied:

Holly and Kristin
that's ok with me, if you want your boys to join. Be prepared-----they might become cock suckers.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:18 PM

VoR in Ohio replied:

You're disgusting. And, if "but where same-sex molestation occurs, homosexuals are almost always the perpetrators" then where non-same-sex molestation occurs, heterosexuals are almost always the perpetrators. Geez, there is so much stupidity here.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 9:25 PM

wjm in Colorado replied:

Holly and Kristin, you are both lovers of abberant filth. Sodomites have no place in scouting, nor do you who condone it. I would rather see scouting disappear than allow you useful idiots to turn it into the Obamao youth gang. Go eat a brownie you dikes.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:25 PM

East TN Patriot in TN replied:

Really? So the Scout leaders who cheat on their wives, are divorced, curse, or covet need to be banned as well, right? Based on your interpretation of the Bible (since you mentioned Sodomites) it would seem that surely these behaviors should also prevent you from being in Scouting especially since Jesus specifically spoke against each of those specifically and God put them (not divorce) in the Ten Commandments, yet neither of which include reference to homosexuality. However considering the use of insults by you and the commenter above you, I don't expect that you pay much attention to what the Christian Bible actually says. Rather, you cherry pick parts that support your own narrow minded and bigoted beliefs.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 5:26 PM

2012 Eagle in US replied:

The BSA isn't necessarily Bible Based. In fact, in boy scout camps it is against the BSA rules to have only one (all camp) religious sermon that is Christian based. I've been to one boy scout camp where there were many different religious services including Jewish, Christian, and Protestant. Camps aren't even supposed to let preachers sing hymns in an all camp sermon. They are supposed to preach in a way that encourages kindness towards others and peace in society. They are specifically taught that if they do preach and all camp sermon to not base it in on one denomination.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 9:18 PM

Anton D Rehling in Olympia, WA replied:

new merit badge, circle jerk

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 10:02 PM

Cheryl Swoverland in Kokomo, IN replied:

Silly. Please think before responding. Filthy language is not good from either side our this issue, but use some common sense. The point is that one gender organizations are going to be more susceptible to homosexual predictors than groups that cater to both genders. Dual gender groups MUST protect children from sexual advances, but so too should groups like Boy Scouts, Girl Scouts etc. protect them as well. There is no obvious means of protection for children from teachers, parents, church sponsored activities etc, but there IS an obvious means for single gender groups. Just look out for the kids and shut up about how "unfair" it might seem to homosexuals.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 10:38 PM

liberty or death in indianapoliz replied:

E. Tm another person who thinks they are interpreting the bible right and does not have a clue. You condone homosexuals to be in a position to prey on young boys and destroy them because we have heterosexuals in the world, and men that might commit adultry. We are talking about a young boys club not a night club. Can you see the differdnce at all.????

Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 4:43 AM

wvdeerhunter in Buckhannon replied:

Openly and proudly displaying your sin before God is not right either. We will all eventually be weighed, measured, and found wanting without Christ. However, the Bible is very clear and I only need give one verse of many...Lev. 20:13, where God actually mandates a death penalty for homo's. None of your list of sins opens up our scouts to irrevocable harm. Openly gay people, could, and likely would, open our boys to harm. If you are indeed a patriot from East TN, I am surprised at your comments.

Friday, February 1, 2013 at 10:32 AM

Shep Schultz in OK replied:

If leaders misbehaved in non-homosexual ways, they were dismissed. In many cases, the boys in the troop held votes and removed adult leaders.

Saturday, May 25, 2013 at 11:25 AM

Shep Schultz in King Cove, AK replied:

If they advocate for cheating on their wives, for divorce, for cursing, or for coveting, they are dismissed.

Wednesday, October 30, 2013 at 12:31 PM

liberty or death in indianapoliz replied:

William, you are absolutely right!! People like those two think they are judging rightlyand are compassionate but do not see that their thinking is warped and perverted. Even if you tried to explain it to them they wod not understand because they have joined the group of reprobates!!!

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Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 3:39 AM

rep in Virginia replied:

Sorry to burst anyone's bubble but I am sick and tired of these New Wave Liberal feel gooders trying to change a Traditional American Institution. If they dont like the way BSA is, then create your own where gays are welcome and the leaders can snuggle around the campfire. Im from the days of John Wayne, not Broke Back Mountain . Even though I have no issue with gays, why cause an issue? This new "gimme" society that has been created seems hell bent on changing everything we conservatives, patriots, believers in the Constitution hold sacred. I suggest that if the BSA is disacrated, start another Scouting Program.

Friday, February 1, 2013 at 3:44 PM

Grandma in Illinois replied:

You are on the money. Let's just take God out of the oath so we don't offend anyone!! I am so tired of this pandering...if you don't like BSA...don't join. Form your own group...and no one would be offended. We want our children to be mindful of others' beliefs, but you can do that without condoning the behavior associated with those beliefs. God help us, yes...God!!

Saturday, February 2, 2013 at 2:13 AM

grandma in Indiana in Indiana replied:

This grandma from Indiana agrees with the grandma from Illinois----if you don't like the BSA don't join...Just from your own group and run it like you want. God please help us..

Saturday, February 2, 2013 at 9:32 PM

MarineCorpsVet in Austin, TX replied:

You both miss the point. They are not anxious to join the BSA. They are anxious to get faux approval for their perversity. That's all that any of the pervert pushes are for. That, and fresh meat.

Friday, May 24, 2013 at 12:10 PM

Little Ole Me in USA replied:

rep, THANK YOU for reading my mind and stating what I, too, thought was an obvious. I'm TIRED of all the 'IMPOSED, down-your-throat change' (which, mostly has NOT been for the better!). Start your OWN group, bear the laboring oar and start it from the ground up, base it on whatever your choices are - then build a like-minded membership from your platform and gain voluntary membership with like-minds. Why infiltrate, possibly corrupt and completely change the TRADITIONAL ideals of a group that has already been established in their own right and based on their OWN ideals and beliefs?! Sadly, this is going to ruin all that the BSA once stood for as I believe this is going to propel it to distinction.

Friday, May 24, 2013 at 12:40 PM

Pro Deo et Constitutione in Kalifornia replied:

Oh that is so special -- two "non compos mentis" experts agree!

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:39 PM

Liam in Georgia replied:

Mrs. Kristin and Mrs. Holly, you are free by the laws of this nation, which were won for you by acts of violence, to have whatever opinion you wish. However, I cannot understand how you feel that the BSA must change its traditions and values to accommodate YOUR sense of social justice. There are many scouting organizations that will accept homosexuals, straight, men, women, boys, girls, republican and democrat and illegal immigrants. The BSA has not said any of these people are bad, but has exercised its right to say, no we do not want to expose our young people to your views, subculture, or opinions. Like you, we as adults can choose what we want our young people exposed to. When they grow up then it’s all on them.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 6:53 PM

Heidi in Fort Hood, TX replied:

Well put, Liam. Thank you.

Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 1:55 PM

Deborah in Susanville, Ca. replied:

I agree with Liam. Well stated.

Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 4:08 PM

rep in Virginia replied:

seems as though Liam that anytime a conservative, traditional American speaks out in good taste, or questions authority, we are always accused a racist, biggot etc.
Notice the anger in alot of these comments. In all my 50+ years, I have never seen such anger and unhappiness amongst a nation. This new wave society as I call it, is an infestation.

Friday, February 1, 2013 at 3:49 PM

The American in Columbus, ohio replied:

Well said, Liam & rep. My brother & I were scouts, he made Eagle & I almost did. My dad was a scout volunteer and we learned and had fun together. My son also was involved and earned the rank of Eagle.

We were lucky, I suppose, not having had to deal with the pernicious wave of homosexuals wishing to infiltrate our troop. Some may have been gay (not Ben Gay!) and if so, they never tried to shove this gigantic turd down our throats! As Americans, we should have the choice to associate with people for whatever reason we wish. As American parents, we damned well have the right to choose who our sons and daughters associate with and to know who the leaders are, to have the luxury of being able to trust (but verify!) that the BSA hierarchy and its troop leaders share the same values as we do!

That said, sexual predators are just that - sexual predators. Sexual predators that prey on children are child molesters. Therefore, it follows that male sexual predators who prey on boys are homosexual child molesters. Duh! And all of those predators should be prosecuted to the full extent of the law and have no place in the BSA, no matter how "stylish" it may be to some!

Saturday, February 2, 2013 at 8:11 AM

The American in Columbus, ohio replied:

Please note that I didn't resort to calling Holly a 3itch, a bigot, a racist or anything else, unlike how most liberals argue when the facts escape them!

Saturday, February 2, 2013 at 8:14 AM

Scout Mom in Magnolia, Texas replied:

Liam, I agree with your comments. There is no "utopia" in this world. Why? Because our creator has not sent his son to return and fight the final battle on our behalf. Until then, we have to do our best to follow God's teachings on this earth. God is the same yesterday, today, and tomorrow. His word is clear and holy. There should be no confusion on this issue. Let's call this what it is. Another element of spiritual warfare. Another opportunity for a place where Godly morals are taught to young men comes under attack for not making sure "everyone" that wants in, gets in. Who could pull this off? Satan himself. Don't think it's him? Read the bible. It is clear how he orchestrates things. He's crafty and is a wolf in sheep's clothing. He tries to make Godly people feel guilty and confused for having convictions. This isn't about Dad's who are divorced or have faced other struggles folks. Again, read the bible.

In my opinion, the liberals in this country want to do away with the convictions that our country have stood on for hundreds of years. They want a morally "washed down" society where everyone is "happy" because they "fit in". Why don't we stop having try outs for teams and interviews for jobs? We wouldn't want to hurt anyone's feelings. Let's remember that God calls us as parents to uphold the convictions taught in the bible and to be good teachers and role models to our children. Yes, he calls us to teach our children to be salt and light and to love. God is love. However, God has also spoken many warnings about the way we are to live our lives. We can love without condoning someone's behavior. I believe that it is fundamentally wrong and goes against God's holy word to allow ourselves to betray what we know is right.

We need to stand firm on this one. It is time that we find our strong, collective voice and speak out on this issue. It is ok to have organizations in this country that exclude all kinds of variances in our human color and nature. The Boy Scouts of America do not need to be intimidated by the bullying of liberal groups that represent such a small portion of our society. Let's stand up and fight. If we are going to go down, let's do it on conviction!!!

Saturday, February 2, 2013 at 9:51 AM

Louis Hopkins in Farmersville.TX replied:

Holly, you need to learn how to read, What is disgusting is your letter and lack of knowledge. Properly because you are not a leader but a whiner, My God also teaches us not to call others fools.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:19 PM

Holly in Tacoma, WA replied:

My God preaches to be accepting of others regardless of their nature. My God is the only one to judge. I did read. I am a Cubmaster of my Pack. And my entire Pack feels the exact same way (posted this on our officers page and every single one of them said how disgusting this is). So thanks for telling me I need to read, but I read just fine. Thank you :D

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Stan in NC replied:

What about 'hate the sin, but love the sinner?'

God also clearly says that homosexuality is a sin.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:32 PM

Abe noxious in Chicago, Il replied:

How about "Be Prepared"? If the Boy Scouts of America haven't leaned a lesson from the Catholic Church, they aren't prepared. Common sense deictates you don't take chances with children in order to bend to political correctness. A homosexual scoutmaster out in the woods with children is like leaving a loaded gun readily available. Liberals claim to care about children (When they aren't advocating aborting them) and guns. The best way to save one child is to avoid leaving a loaded gun, a homosexual scoutmaster, in a situation where he would be tempted. The same is true for lesbians in Girl Scouting. If my comments seems politically wrong or judgmental, good!

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:23 PM

Tom Englebert in Green Bay, WI replied:

Great letter Abe. I am an Eagle Scout from the 1970's, cubmaster, scoutmaster and Professional Scouter. I can tell you that any youth organization must be always on the watch for child molesters. This was nearly an epidemic in my days as a boy scout and also as a professional. Now we are supposed to encourage this. What about the boys? This is just another Liberal attempt to destroy a great American institution.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 5:35 PM

Tiny in Chandler, AZ replied:

Must agree. Do I like it that being a gay or lesbian brings bias...NO....however still see the temptations placed before them if they are inlisted to be in authority roles for cub, boy, brownie or girl scouts, or any other position where children are under their leadership. (hellooooo, priests, pastors, jewish leaders(..... Let's get real here. Forget about the rights of gays and lesbians....and lets look out for the kids.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 6:32 PM

Liam in Georgia replied:

There are also other groups than the boy scouts. Why must we change? They can go have their own troops and do the same things. We arn't complaining about them.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 6:57 PM

Artfldgr in NY replied:

yeah, but she has a personal version of religion where she re-invents it to suit herself... CS lewis has some great quotes about her ilk...

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:43 PM

East TN Patriot in TN replied:

Yeah, it's such a big deal that he forgot to mention it in the Ten Commandments and his Son never says a word about it. In fact, some Biblical scholars are saying that the original Hebrew Scriptures related to the story of Sodom are not actually talking about homosexual behavior, but self-indulgent behavior in general.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 5:29 PM

JDB Esq in CA/VA replied:

The Christian God is found in one entity -- the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit. Three in one, one in three. The God of the Old Testament IS Jesus. The Bible was written by holy men inspired by the Holy Spirit, and homosexuality is condemned repeatedly in the Old and New Testaments.

Concerning God's creation of man, woman, and family, can anyone truly and honestly believe that God condones homosexual practices? Scripture and common sense says, 'no.' Homosexuality is not 'morally straight.' It is morally twisted, and I am truly sorry for all who are caught up in it.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 11:28 PM

rab in jo,mo replied:

Try the commandment against adultery - it covers sexual immorality of all kinds, including sodomy.

Homosexuality isn't just condemned in the Old Testament, it is quite clear in the New Testament that God considers homosexuality an "abomination". Do you not comprehend the meaning of that word?
As to the story of the destruction of Sodom - when the (male) angels visited Lot's family, the men of the city demanded that Lot send them out so they could have sex with them. Lot sent his daughter instead, but she didn't interest the perverts. This episode is included as an example of the level of depravity to which the people of Sodom had fallen.

You can't pick and choose from God's law to justify your personal pet sins. You are either for Him or against Him, there is no middle ground.

Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 8:32 AM

Ron in Poway, Ca replied:

It is NOT a theology expert who is saying that. Is the homosexual activists who are trying to "change" the bible to suit them and are creating a "gay" theology to confuse people like you who do not know the Christian-Jewsih faith. Listen to IHRadio in your area or online and you may learn www.ihradio.com

Saturday, February 9, 2013 at 1:38 PM

David Clark in Long Beach California replied:

Hi; Im 63 years old/young and the longer i live the more common sense seems to leave the planet. You would not ever as a farmer put a fox in the hen house,it doesnt work. Nor would you put Charles Mansion in a Billy Grayam meeting with an ak 47......I personally look up for the king of kings to come and make everything straight thinking for everyon once and for ever,,,does that make me weird? I cry out for common sense for the masses............because i mention the king this will not be accepted

Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 12:55 AM

Chris Cherest in LaPlata, Maryland replied:

You are very selective in your reading of the Bible, as are most liberals. The Bible does say that we will reach a place where our world becomes so decadent that right will be considered wrong (intolerant) and wrong shall be considered right (compassionate). I guess that is where you are now. It says too, that we are to pray for outsiders. I will include you in my prayers and hope that God applies His saving grace to your heart.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Francisco Santana in Palm Coast, Florida replied:

Amen!

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Laurel in California replied:

What god would that be?

Because the God of the Bible teaches no such thing. We are not taught to tolerate aberrations or evil.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:07 PM

Dave in Decatur, IL replied:

God doesn't say accept bad behavior

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Pro Deo et Constitutione in Kalifornia replied:

Holly confuses "judgement" with "discernment," and apparently has a sever lack of the latter. I suppose she molds her scripture to comport with her world view, much like she molds our Constitution to do the same.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:41 PM

Julia in California replied:

Thank you, Pro Deo et Constitutione. You're very articulate and to the point. I couldn't have said it better.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:47 PM

Dakotapreacher in Mitchell, SD replied:

Holly, as a minister of over 30 years, and in all kindness, you have fallen prey to a common and erroneous teaching that has over the last few decades become the norm in many churches and among people who claim to be "spiritual" but not religious. At the risk of this devolving into an argument over biblical interpretation, which is not the purpose, no place in the Bible does God "accept others regardless of their nature." Nor does the Bible stipulate that "God is the only one to judge." To the first point, God offers salvation from sin via His redemptive act. He also summons those who choose to follow Him to a life of righteousness. As to God alone exercising judgment, this also is incorrect, as we have a biblical mandate to discern and to judge. The caution of scripture is that we will be judged by the standard we set for others. Therefore, it behooves us to make certain that our judgment is based on clear principles of the Bible and that our lives match the standard we have set for others, thus avoiding hypocrisy.

My best in Christ,
Rod

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:56 PM

FreeDame in Wisconsin replied:

Beautifully and lovingly said, Rod. Thank you.

Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 3:06 PM

Jeff in Archer Lodge, NC replied:

OK, cool....homosexual man camping out in the woods over the weekend with little boys...what could go wrong? And gee, even if "something" did happen, the distraught parents could always sue the BSA for millions of dollars. The BSA clearly needs to stand down. You're right, Holly!!!

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 5:23 PM

Anton D Rehling in Olympia, WA replied:

Not to mention the lifetime of damage the molestation usually does to the child

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 10:36 PM

Mary Fortunato in Drexel Hill, PA replied:

I'll tell you what's disgusting - one of my sons offered his services to a local arboretum for his Eagle Scout project and was turned away because the director of horticulture was gay and didn't approve of the BSA. So basically you had a 17 year old boy who was simply attempting to put into practice the core belief of the Scouts of service to the community and was turned away (or punished) by an adult with a gay agenda. Seems to me he just cut off his nose to spite his face, because the organization that my son did his project for was thrilled. Homosexuals are some of the most bigoted people there are.

Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 10:10 AM

Seriously?! in California replied:

Mary - I couldn't agree more. They are an awfully intolerant bunch of bigots aren't they? I just fear that with Obama backing the homosexual agenda - heterosexual people will be the ones discriminated against, thus leaving 'us' no recourse whatsoever.

p.s. Love the sinner hate the sin.

Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 2:15 PM

Blaine Hlebechuk in Eugene, Or replied:

No one would ever be able to tell you are from Washington. Did you research scouting before you became involved? Scouting has been around for over a hundred years with the same core principles. Well I guess its a good thing I am going with my scout to summer camp on the Puget Sound this year. If you are representative of the quality of scout leadership in Washington I don't want you folks anywhere near my boy. Why don't you resign and devote your attention in another area where your progressive attitude is welcome.

Monday, February 4, 2013 at 2:56 AM

Arnie Elkins in Harvest, AL replied:

Thank God? Mr. Alexander is exactly the kind of Scoutmaster I would pick for my sons. God has nothing to do with abusive men, gay or not. Did Mr. Alexander praise abusers? Hardly. He points out, rightly so, that we can and should protect our young men from dangerous people. I would never put a man in charge of a Girl Scout troop, nor a gay man in charge of a Boy Scout troop. It will not prevent all abuse, but it lowers the risk by avoiding a dangerous situation in the first place.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Kathy in OH replied:

Holly - Mr. Alexander says "where same-sex molestation occurs, homosexuals are ALMOST always the perpetrators". He does not make a hands down judgemental statement like you did with "never allow such a close minded ignorant fool be around my kid". It's been my experience with the Patriot Post that Mr. Alexander writes from a very conservative position, but also does his due diligence to make sure what he's relaying can be backed up with fact. We are all entitled to our own opinions, values, morals and beliefs. A person is not a close minded ignorant fool just because those beliefs don't align with yours. This is the kettle calling the pot black isn't it? You pointed a finger at Mr. Alexander. I believe in the process at least three of your own fingers were pointing straight back at yourself.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:27 PM

Holly in Tacoma, WA replied:

And I will take that 100% head on. Pretty sure some of these comments about homosexuals kinda proves my point. You are close minded and a bigot. Period.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:30 PM

Kathy in OH replied:

big·ot (noun)
a person who is utterly intolerant of any differing creed, belief, or opinion.

Holly - please read your own comments one more time, then ask yourself how it's possible, that by the very definition of the word, you are above being classified as the same type of bigot you claim others are. I don't think anyone had a problem with your opinion in this matter. It was the heavy handed way in which you presented it. Try logic next time, instead of feelings.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:44 PM

poligirl in Hammond, LA replied:

bigot (from Merriam-Webster): a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially : one who regards or treats the members of a group with hatred and intolerance

also, for those talking about the Bible, it was Jesus who said "Love your neighbor as yourself." Probably would be good to actually practice this one as Jesus called it one of the 2 greatest commandments.

Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 10:23 AM

Karl E. Landgren in Goldsboro, NC replied:

poligirl, 1) To pre-judge would be to formulate an opinion before gathering facts.
2) Are you intolerant of us parents who want our sons to be taught morality?
3) Our Lord set the perfect example for us to follow: love everyone; eschew sin

Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 2:28 PM

ggodat in NC replied:

poligirl - Yes, Jesus did say to love others as our Father in heaven has loved us and we all enjoy quoting the love portions of the bible but tend to skip the wrath sections. Try reading Romans sometime. Specifically: Rom 1, 18-32. You cannot be a bible believing Christian and say from this text that homosexual behavior is acceptable.

18 The wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all the godlessness and wickedness of people, who suppress the truth by their wickedness, 19 since what may be known about God is plain to them, because God has made it plain to them. 20 For since the creation of the world God’s invisible qualities—his eternal power and divine nature—have been clearly seen, being understood from what has been made, so that people are without excuse.
21 For although they knew God, they neither glorified him as God nor gave thanks to him, but their thinking became futile and their foolish hearts were darkened. 22 Although they claimed to be wise, they became fools 23 and exchanged the glory of the immortal God for images made to look like a mortal human being and birds and animals and reptiles.

24 Therefore God gave them over in the sinful desires of their hearts to sexual impurity for the degrading of their bodies with one another. 25 They exchanged the truth about God for a lie, and worshiped and served created things rather than the Creator—who is forever praised. Amen.
26 Because of this, God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural sexual relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way the men also abandoned natural relations with women and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed shameful acts with other men, and received in themselves the due penalty for their error.
28 Furthermore, just as they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, so God gave them over to a depraved mind, so that they do what ought not to be done. 29 They have become filled with every kind of wickedness, evil, greed and depravity. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit and malice. They are gossips, 30 slanderers, God-haters, insolent, arrogant and boastful; they invent ways of doing evil; they disobey their parents; 31 they have no understanding, no fidelity, no love, no mercy. 32 Although they know God’s righteous decree that those who do such things deserve death, they not only continue to do these very things but also approve of those who practice them.

Friday, February 1, 2013 at 4:18 PM

Seriously?! in California replied:

Kudos to you Kathy - spot on with your comment. She must not realize hate begets hate.

Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 2:16 PM

Kathy in OH replied:

By the way....I made NO comments about homosexuals, heterosexuals, or any other kind of sexual preference, yet you said "you are closed minded and a bigot. Period." Keep posting. You only prove my point.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:51 PM

Laurel in California replied:

Well done on all of your posts!

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:08 PM

James in CA in Southern California replied:

Well then, I guess I'm a bigot too for not wanting my son to be taught the virtues of the gay lifestyle. Let's rewrite history, it's 2013, there is no distinction between a man and women living a married life together, and a man and a man living together. Really?

Call me an old fashioned bigot Holly. I'll reserve my name calling for someone more deserving.

I hold no grudge against homosexuals, I don't seek them out for derision. But, I don't have to abide by their world view or have my son share their values.

Your "Period" pretty much sums up your level of "Open Mindeness". Zero. And pretty much sums up why the Scouts will cease to exist.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Chris Cherest in LaPlata, Maryland replied:

You echo my sentiments exactly James. So glad we who hold a Christian or Traditional World View are beginning to stand for what is right. For too long too many have been shouted down not with logic but by harangues and vitriol. I applaud you for you letter.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Carolyn in Greenfield replied:

Holly. answer the question...would you want a heterosexual man taking your daughter and other young girls on a weekend camp out? Do you believe straight men should become girl scout masters? What about two straight men taking a group of girls on a week long field trip? Answer that, please.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:35 PM

Harry Payne in Orem, Utah replied:

Clear thinking people are neither bigots nor are they closed minded. They simply see sin for what it really is. They can still love the sinner (as Christ said we should) but hate the sin. Being a bigot can also include fighting against people who don't share your moral beliefs. You have a right to your beliefs, which I will defend, but I will not defend the actions of people who were the cause of Sodom being destroyed in the scriptures. I will not defend people who wave flags and do public marches to put down people (in the frame of bigoted disagreements) just because they believe differently. Public sex such as in the marches in Alabama in the 60s is a perfect example of what is morally destructive of families and nations. Those types of problems is exactly what you are pushing. I don't want to know about your sexual beliefs, but I can except you as my sister.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Anton D Rehling in Olympia, WA replied:

If being against the sin of homosexuality and lesbian activities I guess you name calling of bigot and closed minded put me in that category. It seems the only way a progressive liberal can advance their agenda is to try and defame others that do not share their values.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 10:41 PM

rab in jo,mo replied:

Yep, typical tactic. When you can't back your position with logic and reason, resort to ad hominem attacks.

I'd rather be "closed-minded" in Truth, than fall for distortions and lies like a reed bending in the wind. Eternity is a looong time!

Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 8:39 AM

Chris Cherest in LaPlata, Maryland replied:

Excellent points. Kudos to you Kathy. Like most liberals I have discussed matters of morality with, Holly seems to demand her right to free speech, while telling the rest of us to 'shut up' until we see it her way.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:53 PM

Jason in Michigan replied:

Unfortuanately that is the way it seems to go most often with liberals in my experience too. You are guilty of "intolerance" if you are a Christian or a man, or God forbid, a White Christian Man expressing your views about the existence of moral absolutes. If you are gay, multi-racial or in general, "liberal," then expressing your views is free speech and thus should be protected. Totally hypocritical, USUALLY. In my experience, I have not met a liberal yet who has ever been able to state their position in a rational logical and otherwise sensible way. Just sayin.'

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:24 PM

Kathy in OH replied:

Liberals don't think. They feel.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 5:02 PM

Terry in Nevada replied:

Jason and Kathy I agree with you both 100%. Well said Jason, well said!

Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 11:43 AM

Jason in Michigan replied:

Holly,
The policy of BSA to exclude homosexuals from membership and leadership positions only makes sense. Looking at the facts as they are, not from emotional or ideological point of view, it is FACT that a majority of molestations of boys are perpetrated by homosexual men. There is nothing closed-minded or foolish about pointing this out. Look at what happened at Penn State. A homosexual man used his position of influence to perpetrate sex crimes against young men. Sexual predators are good at fooling people. Putting impressionable young people in a position in which they are exposed to potential sexual predators is just STUPID. Its asking for trouble. Its not about being fair, or just, or open-minded, etc.. Look at it as risk management. I guarantee if my son was inappropriately touched by a scout leader (gay or not) there would be lawsuits against him and BSA and anyone else responsible for that. I think BSA is opening themselves up to a lot more legal trouoble by allowing homosexuals than not. Mark my words. And when it happens I guarantee you will never hear about it on the news.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:50 PM

Carolyn in Greenfield replied:

I believe the purpose is to destroy the Boy Scouts completely, much as the leftists are trying to destroy our military by accepting openly gay service members and placing women in combat. Anything to decimate our ability to present a defensive force. The Boy Scouts are a threat to liberal ideology and therefore must be destroyed. The Girl Scouts, on the other hand, have been thoroughly infiltrated with liberal and leftist ideology and is now safe to continue to exist. Boy Scouts will either succumb or fail...those are the only options, it appears.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:40 PM

Michael in Texas replied:

Holly is a fine example of narcissistic liberal attitudes - "if you don't agree with me then you are an ignorant fool" to paraphrase ger and subsequent responses. Speaking for myself - THANK God my children or grand children live no where remotely close to the perfidious buffoon. She is probably a child abuser to her own if they remotely have thoughts different from hers.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Laurel in California replied:

The problem here Holly is your are not comprehending what you are reading. Heterosexual predators does not apply because there are no girls in BSA. I also didn't see where Mr. Alexander was giving a free pass to predators of any kind including heterosexuals. Can you please highlight that part for me?

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:05 PM

Richard M. in AZ replied:

"...its because of people like you that our great nation will continue to be discriminatory. Thank God you will never be a Scoutmaster with my son. I would never allow such a close minded ignorant fool be around my kid."

Holly this is no longer a great [country] because it's NOT discriminatory; and because people like you get off on trying to look good to the homos, blacks, jews or any other "victim group" by calling the upstanding, honest men of this country name. Shame on you.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Jim K in SC replied:

Holly says "So what about all the straight men that are just molesters? Should we praise them and be okay with it?" What a stupid comment. If they are molesting any child they should spend the rest of their lives in jail. If they are molesting boys I don't consider them straight.

If you want your son to grow up to be a man I think a Scout Master like Mark Alexander would be ideal.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:09 PM

fred in oregon replied:

NO Jim K, they should not be in jail or prison---- they should be dead!!

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 8:12 PM

Kenneth in Canton,Ohio replied:

I think your nuts but sense you make it sound like you like the idea. I hope that your son is put with a homosexual Scout Leader!

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:09 PM

Dave in Decatur, IL replied:

Definition of HOMOSEXUAL. 1: of, relating to, or characterized by a tendency to direct sexual desire toward another of the same sex

Any male who has perverted so-called sex with another male is a homosexual, whether they self identify as on or not. Holly you are in denial... why on earth would you allow a male leader who is sexually attracted to other males go on an overnight camping trip with scouts. That is insane

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:12 PM

Holly in Tacoma, WA replied:

molestation n. the crime of sexual acts with children up to the age of 18, including touching of private parts, exposure of genitalia, taking of pornographic pictures, rape, inducement of sexual acts with the molester or with other children, and variations of these acts by pedophiles. Molestation also applies to incest by a relative with a minor family member, and any unwanted sexual acts with adults short of rape

homosexual adjective gay, gay person, homophile, lesbian

ho·mo·phile (hm-fl)
adj.
1. Gay or lesbian.
2. Actively concerned with the rights of gay men or lesbians.
homo·phile n.

All from Dictionary.com. No where in the definition of a homosexual does it say that a gay man OR woman is a predator. Nor does it say that a gay man is attracted to children under the age of 18. NOR does it say that a gay man is going to go after your child. Yes, I am a gay sympathizer if you want to call it that. My stepbrother is gay. My best friend is a gay man. And he's around my child quite often (gasp! The blashphamy!!!!). Does that mean he's attracted to my son? Does that mean he's going to molest my son? No. And anyone who thinks that just because a man is gay or a woman is gay that means they are going to go after your child...you're sick in the head. Homosexuals are not evil. They are not something that is going to cause great harm to our society. For everyone who claims I have blinders on...how about you remove the blinders yourself.

In answer to your question...I had a man midwife when I was pregnant with my son. And I had a man midwife who worked in the practice when I had my son. There ARE females who are a part of my son's Communion class who DO go on retreats with them. There are men who teach my friend's daughters ballet class. Nope. Nothing wrong with it. To act like just because a man is around a girl its faux pas is, yes, ignorant. And since any man, gay or straight, following BSA policy, can NOT sleep with, nor change in front of, a child...why would it be an issue? OH. Cause it goes back to the homophobic attitude that is being expressed by the hundreds on this thread.

I am going to stop feeding the trolls now. Have a lovely homophobic day!

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:46 PM

Michael in Texas replied:

Troll - the only troll is you Holly - goodbye and don't the let the door hit you in the ass! (Tho I suspect you'll be back) libs always troll and have to have the last word !

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 5:18 PM

Douglas Breston in San Diego replied:

Mind numbingly stupid logic.

NO ONE, Hollace, said ALL homosexuals are pedophiles. That's a creation of your own little universe.

HOWEVER - since of homosexuals rather than the safety of children.

DISGUSTING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Please review the abundant literature on Jerry Sanders and the actions of the University to safeguard (or not) children. You certainly resemble the university officials.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 6:52 PM

fred in oregon replied:

holly , just what planet have you been living on?

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 8:15 PM

Dave in Decatur, IL replied:

Homophobia doesn't exist.... no irrational fear, we know the truth about deprave homosexuals

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 11:34 PM

Terry in Nevada replied:

Holly, you just don't get it! You are getting hammered by nearly every person replying here and you still keep through more fuel on your fire! You are surely a liberal who believes you have the right to free speech but the rest of us do not because we don't agree with you!

Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 11:52 AM

rippedchef in sc replied:

funny,no mention of a husband ................................wonder why??

Friday, February 1, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Angela in San Diego, CA replied:

I would not send my teenage daugher camping with heterosexual men for the same reasons I would not send my teenage son camping with homosexual men. And this is not to say all men are sexual predators. But why increase any chance? If this is discrimination, then I discriminate equally when it comes to the safety of our most vulnerable. One also needs to consider how the dynamic would change if young boys were sharing tents, in remote places, for long periods of time, with an older boy who could be sexually attracted to them. To villify the BSA for not wanting to take on these potential problems is ignorant indignation.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:25 PM

Mike in Buffalo, NY replied:

Why would straight men want to molest boys?

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Pro Deo et Constitutione in Kalifornia replied:

Uh, Holly, take a logic 101 course. Nothing in this letter would lead anyone but you to think Alexander would not condemn heterosexual pedophiles. I am sorry that you have a kid, if you do -- but children can overcome even the most ignorant of parents so there is hope yet!

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:38 PM

Tom in PA replied:

"Morally straight" is NOT an ambiguous term Holly. Nor is "reverent". Your straw man argument regarding the straight molester has no standing here. Neither would be welcome by these definition's. It is precisely this kind of closed minded thinking that has no tolerance for those of us who value these principals. These are principals that can not be compromised.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:51 PM

Louis Foxwell in Venice, Florida replied:

Holly,
Your comment is irrational. Opposing homosexual molesters does not condone heterosexual molesters.
The letter is a paragon of virtue, something of which you apparently have no knowledge. The BSA, unlike the GSA has maintained its moral principles in the face of outrageous and immoral opposition.
If we are not standing strong as a nation dedicated to moral courage then we will surely fall into the chaos of pornography, homosexuality, abortion and promiscuity. Perhaps those are your unstated values.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:59 PM

Mort in Charlotte, NC replied:

Holly...it sounds like you're OK with a grown gay man having sex with your underage son.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 6:44 PM

Douglas Breston in San Diego replied:

What an idiot comment.

Show me a single place where straight pedophiles have been applauded. This is simply more gay drivvel designed, as is often the case with gay drivel, to divert attention.

The fact is a tiny sliver of the population (<3%) accounts for a shocking THIRTY PERCENT of all child molestations. You do not want this made known, and more importantly want this ignored so the gay agenda can be promoted. YOU CHOOSE YOUR GAY AGENDA OVER THE WELFARE OF CHILDREN. That makes you a despicable human being, regardless of what other redeeming qualities or actions you might have or make.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 6:47 PM

Mac in Tennessee replied:

God forbid, Holly, that you would ever send your son into one of the greatest organizations in America -- the BSA, an organization that promotes Christianity (gasp). I'd encourage you to fact check and then check your own bias before blabbering next time.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 6:52 PM

John in Boise replied:

Holly, I would contend that same sex pedifiala or molestation is homosexual. So to say they are straight is incorrect.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 8:01 PM

Terry in Boise, ID replied:

Holly,
Nothing in this letter seems discriminatory to me. Facts were well stated. Sexual orientation is a choice. The choices of the small number of the population should not mandate a moral shift against the fabric of scouting. I agree that straight men have molested, but to make the point that this should the reason we should allow gay leaders is not completely fair. I hope you as well as others stay open and not call people like us discriminatory when it is others who are discriminating against us who stand up for what is morally right. We all have opinions and ignorance is being close minded against the author.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 8:58 PM

Greg in gresham replied:

Holly,
From your comments I see that you support your right to choose with whom your son will associate. You would never allow such a thing. Because that is your choice! Yes!

I too support your choice.

We are free to choose with whom we wish to assemble. I join other people groups because that group has the values that I share. I hope you continue to support and respect that freedom of choice. Yes!

Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 4:59 AM

Blaine Hlebechuk in Eugene, Or replied:

What a novel idea. Join a group that shares your principles. Weird!!! I can only hope that someone from Hollys council reads her ridiculous posts. She has no business being a Cubmaster.

Monday, February 4, 2013 at 3:06 AM

poligirl in Hammond, LA replied:

thank you!

and not only that, the stats used in the letter are patently false - based upon myths that are decades old. in reality, most molesters tend to be heterosexual and molestation has little to do with orientation in the first place.

Mr Alexander should be ashamed of himself for blatantly lying in his letter.

Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 10:01 AM

Blaine Hlebechuk in Eugene, Or replied:

SHUT UP STUPID!!!!

Monday, February 4, 2013 at 3:08 AM

India in GA replied:

"most molesters tend to be heterosexual and molestation has little to do with orientation in the first place."

Really? By all means, poligirl, since you seem to have such command of statistics, give us the numbers.

Tuesday, February 12, 2013 at 2:39 AM

R.Lane in Alto, NM replied:

Holly, do you really know Mr. Alexander? I don't think so. You are too judgemental. This letter is written by a father to his son. Like most of us he is not a bigot, nor insensitive to the 'homosexual condition'. He simply doesn't like the 'in-my-face' attitude of the folks who espouse the gay agenda, which seems to me perfectly acceptable.

Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 11:53 AM

Call Me Mom in Wisconsin replied:

"So what about all the straight men that are just molesters? Should we praise them and be okay with it?"
Are you impaired in some way?
Of course that is not what this letter is saying. The BSA has many policies designed specifically to restrict the opportunities for access to the boys from those who may volunteer as leaders for less than honorable reasons. To say that because some criminals who target young boys are approved as leaders IN SPITE of those safety measures in no way indicates approval of the behavior. Nor does it justify granting access to those who are the most likely culprits of such behaviors.

In addition, in case you haven't done your own research - because the MSM hasn't told you this - homosexuality is a risky behavior health wise. By some insurance company estimates, it is riskier than smoking, alcohol and drug abuse combined. So if the BSA is going to allow homosexuals, why not endorse those other risky behaviors too? Why not? Becaue the mission of Boy Scouting is to train young men in healthy habits, clean living and to help them develope good character and leadership skills.
Homosexuality is not consistent with the mission of Scouting, period.

Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 11:38 PM

Geri in AZ replied:

Well Holly, could you have missed THE POINT any more obviously?? Our great nation is no more discriminatory than any other nation; we simply do not suffer fools and loudmouths gladly. No one is saying that 'gay' people shouldn't be treated kindly or with respect, as people, or that generally they are not good people, or that 'straight' people do no wrong. MANY people ARE saying that we don't want our children unduly influenced by those whose beliefs and practices are not only contrary to the BSA organization (which for some odd reason a few of them insist on being a part of), but contrary to our own personal beliefs as well. I completely respect this man's opinion on what is going on, and I agree with it. As the mother of 4 sons, 2 of whom are Eagle Scouts, I absolutely will not allow my youngest to remain in the BSA organization if 'gays' are allowed to be a part of it and, more particularly, are allowed to serve in leadership positions - I don't care how 'nice' they are. And I think it is cowardly at best for the BSA to try to push the final decision-making process onto the home troops. They will be looking at a mass exodus, and then where will their funding come from? Discriminating? You bet I am - particularly when it comes to those who seek authority over my children.

Friday, February 1, 2013 at 6:19 PM

Topsgt9 in Mississippi replied:

I cannot see why you would thank God that this individual will never be scoutmaster over your son. The Boy Scouts were founded on a belief in God and a very strong moral foundation. My God states in his book the Bible that homosexuality is wrong. If you read the Bible or have ever read the Bible, this is not open for discussion. It is not discrimination it is following the beliefs of our God and our moral convictions. Therefore if you do not have these beliefs, how can you thank God?

Saturday, February 2, 2013 at 7:05 PM

John in Houston, TX replied:

"So what about all the straight men that are just molesters?" You comment is absurd in the context of scouting as it involves boys, not girls. Therefore only gay men put scouts at risk.

Monday, February 4, 2013 at 12:22 PM

Bill in Crest Hill replied:

Holly, with all due respect for your opinion and your right to say it, I must strongly disagree. BSA has been around 100 years because of the values it promotes in the individual young men. Character, Integrity, Love of Country, Personal sacrifice to achieve and assist others in their achievement all require Discipline, and with discipline comes discrimination. Discipline is sorely lacking in our society right now. we as a nation are more concerneed about appearance, than character. If you can't accept that go to the next veterans day parade and the next gay pride parade. There is a huge difference between those that served the nation as a whole and those that serve themselves. BSA trains the complete man, spirit, soul, and body. the idea of providing the attitude of sexual preference over character to school age boys who in fact would be sexually ambiguous is not only non productive, but abhorrantly laughable. What is best for the children is to be children, and trained to be the best men they can become. Then they can decide who to sleep with and why. From your attitude, your son will not get to experience these rewards in his life.

Monday, February 4, 2013 at 12:38 PM

Chris Miller in Nazareth, PA replied:

Anyone who molests a child should be put in jail for the balance of their life. As for those who are upset about discrimination allow me to remind you that we all discriminate on many, many issues every single day.

Monday, February 4, 2013 at 2:51 PM

David Lagesse in Stockton, CA replied:

Don't give me the 'straw man' argument about not all sexual molesters of boys are homosexual, and that some otherwise heterosexuals molest boys.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...it's a duck.

-- If it engages in sex with its own sexual kind ...It's a homosexual.

Did you ever hear of Bisexuals?
A bisexual is just a person who engages in sexual relations with both males and females.
. This still makes them homosexual.

Do not also tell me boys are not important in the gay world.
In the "The Queens' Vernacular" (QV), there are 254 words for boys,
most of these involve men sexually abusing boys.

The QV is advertised as, "Everyman's dictionary to the gay underworld"
and the current language of a very large group of people who are members
(part or full-time) of the homosexual community."

The Queens' Vernacular, A Gay Lexicon" by Bruce Rodgers,
The first modern gay dictionary.
(Straight Arrow books 1972, 256p. ISBN 0 87932 026 5)
http://www.bolerium.com/cgi-bin/bol48/66849.html
Reprinted as: "Gay Talk, a (sometimes outrageous) dictionary of gay slang"
by Bruce Rodgers, (Paragon 1979, ISBN 0 399 50392 7)
See also: Polari (also seen as 'Palare') is a gay slang language.

Tuesday, February 5, 2013 at 3:04 AM

Jack in Ft. Lauderdale replied:

Well, I can't be a Girl Scout leader....I am a man, and would not be trusted to camp in the woods with a troop of young girls. The powers-that-be think that might be a liability risk. As I am primarily attracted to females, not worth it. Nope. Mr., you cannot be a Girl Scout troop leader.

Now, a homosexual male is primarily (or only) attracted to males. (possibly boys?). Why in the world should a man who openly admits attraction to the male gender be allowed to lead a troop of boys? Again, I think the same logic applies. Oh yes... when it comes to homosexuality, the logic only counts one way. The "tolerance" that we are supposed to show the homosexual would-be scout or scout leader.....is again only demanded of the Boy Scouts. Perhaps homosexuals should show the same amount of tolerance toward the Scouts. They prefer non-homosexual members enlist-in and lead their troops.

Tuesday, February 5, 2013 at 4:34 PM

Ken in Minnesota replied:

So Holly, what would it take to convince you that your view on this subject is incorrect? Can you point to anything that would change your mind on this subject?

Friday, March 1, 2013 at 2:32 PM

Virginia in Atlanta said:

I raised 3 boys who became fine men. We tried to teach them the principles of moral character as taught in the Scouts.If I had a young son now who was involved in the Scouts (if this passes) I would immediately have him withdraw membership. If I were the parent of a child who wanted to become involved with the Scouts I would not permit it.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:14 PM

Lori in Kansas replied:

Thank you, Virginia. I would chose the same path. It is unfortunate that others wearing blinders are not willing to see the danger and damage this will cause.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:17 PM

Winston in Meridian, ID replied:

Thanks, Virginia. My mother also raised three sons, and all three of us were heavily involved in "Boy Scouts" as youths. The Bible directs parents to "Train up a child in the way he should go; even when he is old he will not depart from it." Proverbs 22:6

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Brian in St. Louis replied:

This may really shock you then! There are gay people in the boy scouts now. They just can't publicly admit that fact. I am sure they are all be better off without your sons and the closed-minded and ignorant "Morals" you taught them.

For me, I am the proud uncle of a gay Eagle Scout!

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Holly in Tacoma, WA replied:

As you should be!

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Jason in Michigan replied:

I agree - you should be proud of him, but not because he is gay. He demonstrated strength of character that is sorely lacking on both sides of the aisle. What I would like to see is less name-calling ("close-minded bigot," for instance) and more rational discussion. Calling each other names does not tend to help others understand your point of view - or change their own - because a name-caller just looks like an irrational angry person. Why don't we instead try to understand why people have these different views and try to express our points of view in ways that are palatable to others? "Treat others as you want to be treated" i.e., the "Golden Rule" is a great way to relate to others - and people on both sides ought to try that. The thing is, people often confuse "judging" with "condemning." Of course we are to "judge" what is right and what is wrong according to our individual moral codes, the Ten Commandments, civic laws, etc. whatever those may be. What is NOT helpful (or acceptable, according to those who so often quote this) is condemning someone else for their position, values, etc. For example, the Bible tells me that homosexual behavior is wrong. So I can make a judgement based on that, that folks who engage in that behavior are doing wrong according to this set of moral values. However, that does not mean that I can say they are bound for hell or anything like that (even if I think this is true) because only God can condemn, and I am not God. He is also a God of Mercy and so nobody can say anything. Remember Jesus told the woman who was caught committing adultery "go and sin no more." (that is, woman, stop behaving in an immoral way). But he told the people "let he who is sinless cast the first stone." So should we be. I can love this friend of mine who is homosexual while also not supporting or condoning his homosexual behavior with his mate. And I can still treat him with dignity and respect when we discuss it.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:10 PM

Chris Cherest in LaPlata, Maryland replied:

Brian, if he were not gay, would you still be proud? I guess he must be proud of his gay uncle. Everything about your vitriolic response justifies the concerns that most of us have who represent the 97% who might be thinking of continuing our support for the scouts.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:59 PM

Dave in Decatur, IL replied:

Homosexuals are sneaky so I'm not surprised to hear that.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:14 PM

Kenneth in Canton,Ohio replied:

Brian its sad that you think that its allright that you have a GAY Eagle Scout and that its OK that he had to lie to be there! I know that there are others there but I think that is what is wrong when they don't have the nerve to tell the truth! They are nothing but a bunch of loosers!

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:21 PM

Mac in Tennessee replied:

For someone who apparently hates labels, why don't you just be a proud uncle of an "Eagle Scout." I'm not a straight Eagle Scout, I'm an Eagle Scout. You seem to be attempting to take your minority view and enforcing it on everyone else so that you can feel good about yourself.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 6:55 PM

David Lagesse in Stockton, CA replied:

GOD hates and despises ALL SIN, but HE loves the sinner!

Jesus Said:
Love the sinner, but hate the sin. Romans 12:19
It is NOT: Love the sinner and love the sin.

Tuesday, February 5, 2013 at 3:07 AM

Tarymelon in Il replied:

Right on, Virginia! I was a Cub Scout Leader from the time my boys were in Tiger Cubs until they became Boy Scouts. I would not have volunteered if this were happening then and I also would not let my boys participate. Scouting was always such a wholesome activity where boys learn to be good, responsible men. .

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:33 PM

Michael B Petriello in Middletown, NY said:

If I have to be will be labeled "intolerant bigots" if we do not comport with the "gay agenda." for my beliefs then so be it.
Why are we giving up our rights for noise makers?

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:15 PM

Brian in St. Louis replied:

The "Rights" are for everyone, no matter how small a minority they may be.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Stan in NC replied:

"rights" don't make things 'right' that are wrong

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:37 PM

Doris Fox in Pensacola replied:

AMEN! Stan you are so right. Doing this would be like letting the fox in the hen house!!!

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:49 PM

Richard M. in AZ replied:

Well. you're right!

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:48 PM

Dave in Decatur, IL replied:

Do pedophiles have those rights you talk about?

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:15 PM

David Lagesse in Stockton, CA replied:

The "right" to my son?
NO!

Tuesday, February 5, 2013 at 3:09 AM

Chris Cherest in LaPlata, Maryland replied:

Amen Michael.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:06 PM

John Chrislip in Bethesda, MD said:

Sorry, but I can't agree with the writer. Gay MEN prefer Gay MEN -- not boys. Homosexuality and pedophillia are completely difference. Homosexuals are attracted to the same sex. Pedophiliacs are attracted to the youth of their victims. Any predator who molested an underage Scout was a pedophiliac -- NOT a homosexual.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Winston in Meridian, ID replied:

In your description of the situation as stated, the perpetrator would be guilty of both... a homosexual pedophile.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:20 PM

Holly in Tacoma, WA replied:

Considering we have to go through a strict Youth Protection Training about molestation and being alone with the boys...who are we protecting ourselves from if, according to Scouts, homosexuals can't be involved? Oh yes. STRAIGHT DISGUSTING MEN.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:26 PM

Laurel in California replied:

You just contradicted yourself.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Jason in Michigan replied:

Holly, you are 100% correct about the training. However, they would not be straight if they needed to be protected against. They woudl be men who violate the policy to commit homosexual pedophilia. OK? the problem is not STRAIGHT MEN. The problem is that scouts need protection against men who misrepresent themselves. It appears from reading your comments that you have some sort of big problem with straight men. Why is that? I am also a scout master. I am not a straight disgusting man. However I do see the need for the training and protections against adults being alone with a scout. Allegations can be made that can only be meaningfully refuted if another adult counselor is present. This is a benefit to counter any appearance of malfeasance and prevent any false allegations of violence or any other abuse.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Jimbo Jones in Michigan replied:

You are misinformed. I would direct you to actually read up before coming on forums and spreading your ignorance.

For example, if you knew anything about these matters, you'd know that we call child molesters pedophiles. Men who like to have sex with other men are homosexuals. Pedophiles, we know, usually do not form sexual relationships with adults. They go after children.

Likewise, when grown men have sex with girls, we also call that pedophilia.

Do you know why?

Because girls and boys are both sexually immature, you idiot.

I am a straight man. I have sex with women.

Are you seriously going to state that a pedophile drawn to little girls is a heterosexual man?

That's what you are saying, you idiot.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 7:45 PM

Bill in Crest Hill replied:

As far as I know there is no girls in the boy scouts. There can be grown women as scout leaders. And by the way, BSA is a Private organization, kind of like NAMBLA, but with more character. It can choose its own membership, even SCOTUS accepts that. And as such the scouts and their families can vote to dismiss Board members or not paythe dues to support the board. I say recall the board members that brought this on.

Monday, February 4, 2013 at 12:56 PM

Blaine in Eugene replied:

Hey Holly, you are absolutely entitled to your opinions. But, I would like to point out one blaring fact you keep overlooking. Scouting has been around with the same core principles longer than you have been alive. Probably longer than your mother has been alive. It was no secret what you were signing up for. If you disagree with our core principles then I suggest you find an organization that mirrors your own beliefs. You live in Washington I'm sure there is some progressive organization that would welcome you with open arms.

Monday, February 4, 2013 at 3:14 AM

Dave in Decatur, IL replied:

Why do homosexual want to be around boys... it's not like they have children thru their homosexual relationship

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:17 PM

Mac in Tennessee replied:

To suggest that those two behaviors are not inherently linked would be pretty ignorant. I think you've missed the point.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 6:57 PM

David Lagesse in Stockton, CA replied:

Don't give me the 'straw man' argument about not all sexual molesters of boys are homosexual, and that some otherwise
heterosexuals molest boys.

If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck ...it's a duck.

-- If it engages in sex with its own sexual kind ...It's a homosexual.

Did you ever hear of Bisexuals?
A bisexual is just a person who engages in sexual relations with both males and females.
. This still makes them homosexual.

Do not also tell me boys are not important in the gay world.
In the "The Queens' Vernacular" (QV), there are 254 words for boys,
most of these involve men sexually abusing boys.

The QV is advertised as, "Everyman's dictionary to the gay underworld"
and the current language of a very large group of people who are members
(part or full-time) of the homosexual community."

The Queens' Vernacular, A Gay Lexicon" by Bruce Rodgers,
The first modern gay dictionary.
(Straight Arrow books 1972, 256p. ISBN 0 87932 026 5)
http://www.bolerium.com/cgi-bin/bol48/66849.html
Reprinted as: "Gay Talk, a (sometimes outrageous) dictionary of gay slang"
by Bruce Rodgers, (Paragon 1979, ISBN 0 399 50392 7)
See also: Polari (also seen as 'Palare') is a gay slang language.

Proof that Boys are an important part of the gay 'lifestyle'

The BSA has been vilified for not letting homosexuals into their ranks, but then the Boy Scouting organization
has been sued for hundreds of millions of dollars over the years, because homosexuals have gotten in, and
they HAVE molested boys, and the parents have rightfully complained to the courts.

Were the parents wrong in complaining? Were the Courts wrong in granting the judgements to the parents?
Were the homosexual molesters right? -- I think NOT!

Tuesday, February 5, 2013 at 3:12 AM

Winston in Meridian, ID said:

As a former Cub Scout, Boy Scout, and Explorer Scout, I recall that Scouting was about "God and Country". We took an oath to uphold. Translating "God" to be His eternal Word (the Bible) then we must measure the values of Scouting against God's Word. In the New Testament Book of Romans the first chapter covers what God says about "homosexuality" as a sin, and goes further to say that if a person is even "accepting" of homosexuality, not for themselves, but in other practicing homosexuals, it is the same as if you commit the sin yourself. So, Boy Scouts of America would by tolerating "homosexual" members and/or leaders, would be violating God's directives concerning the sin of homosexuality.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Stan in NC replied:

Amen!!

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:36 PM

Chris Cherest in LaPlata, Maryland replied:

Amen, Winston. Your argument is at the heart of the matter. That is lost on those apologists for the homosexual lifestyle.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:08 PM

Kenneth in PA replied:

Well stated Winston!

Things sure have changed since I was Cub Scout, Boy Scout and Explorer Scout!

Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 12:00 AM

Bill in Crest Hill replied:

You are absolutely right, Winston. Our society today is running on the 60's version of "if it feels good ...do it." The sad thing is the knowledge of a true God makes one accountable for their actions. the truth is that an empty spirit in a man, brings him to try to fill it with physical and emotional pursuits. These don't work and the person is unsatisfied. I guess this is where the misery loves company cliche comes from.

Monday, February 4, 2013 at 1:05 PM

Virginia Huntley in Massachusetts said:

I couldn't agree with you more. I have a grandson who became an Eagle Scout last year at the age of 13, and we are very proud of him. Thank you.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Vic in AK said:

"Now, clearly all homosexuals are not molesters of teens and pre-teens, but where same-sex molestation occurs, homosexuals are almost always the perpetrators."

Correction, Mark: where same-sex molestation occurs, a homosexual -- by the very definition of the term -- HAS to have been the perpetrator.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:18 PM

Jimbo Jones in Michigan replied:

Correction: boys and girls are not sexually mature; therefore, one cannot call sexual behavior between men and children homosexuality (sexual behavior between men) nor heterosexuality (sexual behavior between men and women). It is called pedophilia, you idiot. Definitional logic, simple as pie.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 8:18 PM

rab in jo,mo replied:

"A rose by any other name..."

Pedophilia, homosexuality, pedophilic homosexuality, whatever name you want to put on it, is immoral. Sin is sin, evil is evil.

Thursday, January 31, 2013 at 8:51 AM

Jim in Florida said:

Where do I send my Eagle scout medal?

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:20 PM

Stan in NC replied:

BSA HQ
WEST WALNUT HILL LANE
IRVING, TX

* and mine might follow yours in the mail!

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:35 PM

Dave in Decatur, IL replied:

Keep it you earned it.....

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:40 PM

WTD in AZ replied:

Yes, keep them as a memento of better times. We earned them by dedicated effort under the aegis of an honored organization. It's a blatant sign of the deterioration of our society that the BSA administration would even consider such self-destructive change.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 6:08 PM

David Lagesse in Stockton, CA replied:

If the BSA makes the WRONG decision in this, then a lot of old Eagles in the National Eagle Scout Association will be turning in their Eagle pins in protest, you think there was a lot of Eagle pins turned in over the ‘No Gays’ issue? Be Prepared for pins by the ton on the ‘Pro-Gay’ issue!
Not an Eagle? -- We need to cut up our Uniforms and the patches on the Uniforms ( so they have no re-sale value) and mail them into National to protest!

Tuesday, February 5, 2013 at 3:15 AM

Deane in Missouri said:

When I saw the news of the proposed change by the Scouts on Monday, I immediately wrote them the following:

I am deeply disturbed by the policy change under consideration by the Scouts concerning sexual orientation. You either have principles or you do not and this spineless transfer to local organizations in order to capitulate to the gays while letting local organizations take the blame demonstrates a clear failure to uphold the Scout oath to "do my best to do my duty to God" and you dishonor the Eagle Scout obligations of Honor and Courage by your actions.

I would submit that you gain little and forfeit all that is truly important by this dishonorable and despicable action and urge you not to take such a step.

Not that I expect them to change their plans, but all that is required for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:21 PM

Michael in CA replied:

Superb!!

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:08 PM

James Mitchell in Columbus, GA said:

EXCELLENT, and right on target

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:22 PM

Jimpithecus in Knoxville, TN said:

If this passes, the exodus will be massive. American Heritage Girls arose out of disagreements with the GSA. A similar organization would arise very soon for boy scouts.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:23 PM

TimG in Colorado replied:

Agree entirely. FWIW, I've got 4 sons who are Eagle Scouts, the 5th doing his project, am a former Scoutmaster and current Crew Advisor. So I like to think I know something about Scouting.

So, for the possible additional membership of 1-2% of homosexual males, BSA is willing to lose -- what? -- 20+% of existing and future membership? That's bad business. And how many chartered orgs will remove sponsorship because the BSA program is no longer compatible with their moral values? I know for a fact our troop's chartered org will do so. That's OK, an informal poll of parents in my troop indicates approx 50% will leave the program for other uses of their/their sons' time. And the "old timers" who are the institutional memory and backbone of the Scouters? Every one I have spoken with will, very sadly, step down. We like to think we are principled folks in Scouting.

Violating principles has consequences. That BSA is strongly considering this makes me and many like me feel betrayed, for all the time and cost and effort put into the program. Baden-Powell's rolling over in his grave, I'd think.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:39 PM

Michael in Texas replied:

It is crazy Tim - and you are right - most scout packs/troops are chartered by churches - everyone (Holly included) seem to be blatantly overlooking this - as goes this decision - so goes scouting - I will have nothing to do with it allow my young sons to continue if they allow Gays in scouting! How many of "me" are out there - perhaps 75% or more of active scout families! For biz tycoons - these 2 men in charge are going to single handedly bring down the oldest boys club

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:13 PM

Jason in Michigan replied:

"For biz tycoons - these 2 men in charge are going to single handedly bring down the oldest boys club."

Michael, I would put money on it that this is indeed their goal. Eliminate any and all groups that stand against the LGBT lifestyle and their access to children for the purpose of influencing the next generation to accept it as a "right."

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:32 PM

Michael in Texas replied:

That's a bet I won't take cause you're 150% correct Jason - since I am a Free Mason my oldest boy will be joking Demolay this March as a 12 year old - my youngest may have to be a single scouter or better yet - I'll teach him as a former Cub Scout Master - just not belong to a pack

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 5:22 PM

Michael in Texas replied:

Joining Demolay - not joking Demolay

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 5:24 PM

Pete in NC replied:

TimG

Our Church sponsors Boy & Girl Scout Troops by allowing them the use of our facilities for meetings and other activities. They can play basketball and other athletic activities in the Fellowship Hall during bad weather. It's been touch and go the last few years on the Girl Scout side. This ruling may be the final straw and the Scouts will be asked to find a new place.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 4:19 PM

Lou Sabatini in Silver Spring, MD. replied:

I have read the rest of the comments on the board and am in agreement with most of them. I believe I can identify with yours most completely Tim. I earned my Eagle rank in 1967. When my oldest son became a Cub Scout I got the call. I held most positions as a volunteer leader at both the Pack and Troop levels and many positions at the District level over a 25 year period. I eventually became the Scoutmaster of the same troop I was a member of as a youth. I stood by very proudly to watch my wife pin both of my son's Eagle Badges on their uniforms at their Courts of Honor. The Scouting tradition runs very deep in our family.
I do not judge people by their preference of sexual orientation. I work with openly gay adults frequently. But if I had younger children, I would pause at the thought of sending my 12 or 13 year old son to Scout Camp for a week with a gay or several gay leaders. I wouldn't be particularly concerned about moleststion because everyone would be alerted and suspicious of that possibility anyway.
I would, however, be concerned about the type of role model that a gay adult leader would be for a group of impressionable boys, especially if they are trying to live by the Scout Oath and Law which specifically addresses morals. That would be contradictory and confusing to the youth.
It is very discouraging that the leadership of such a renowned and character building organization is willing to cave on their long established principles for the sake of such a small percentage of the population in the interest of misplaced "political correctness".
But if the change in policy happens for the reasons sugested, then the financial concerns ultimately trump tradition, morals, and everything else for that matter.
Scouting had a major influence on our family's life. Some of our very best memories are from scouting functions, outings and high adventure trips.
I suspect you will find that many traditionalists, such as myself, and many sponsoring organizations, shuch as churches that charter units, will drop out of the program because of their religious principles and beliefs. The vast majority of those who believe in the longstanding traditions of the Scouting program shouldn't be punished by so few for exercising their first ammendment rights.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 7:24 PM

David Lagesse in Stockton, CA replied:

Never forget these points about scouting:
1-- The Youth are the reason for Scouting.
They own the movement.
2-- Anything that supports #1 is good,
3-- Anything that diminishes #1 is bad.
4-- In cases of confusion, consult #1.

Tuesday, February 5, 2013 at 3:23 AM

Kenneth Miller in Canton,Ohio said:

I think this letter is right on and I agree 100% with it and hope the BSA do the right thing! They need to stand up and not let a few people BULLY THEM!

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:24 PM

Greg Johnson in Beaver, PA said:

I am also the proud father of an Eagle Scout. I agree that if this happens, the BSA as we know it will cease to exist. It may even go away completely if athiests are allowed. Think only former Eagle Scouts should be allowed on the board, then these decisions would be made with reference to God and staying morally straight.

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:25 PM

Stan in NC replied:

Good idea!

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:35 PM

SAM H THOMPSON in MIDDLEBURG said:

RESIST!!!! PUSH BACK!!

Wednesday, January 30, 2013 at 3:25 PM