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No Difference Between Obama and Romney? Or Obama and Paul?

By Thomas Berry · Jun. 22, 2012

Ron Paul's campaign and its adherents are still claiming that Governor Romney and President Obama are the same.

Such a notion would be laughably absurd, if the Obama presidency did not invite revulsion. For example, do those who believe this claim expect Romney to be as blatantly disrespectful of the office, dignity and traditions of the presidency as Obama has been? Do they really think that a President Romney would tolerate gay rights activists using a White House reception in their honor to photograph each other making obscene gestures in front of President Reagan's portrait?

Do they really believe that a President Romney would tolerate in his administration an Attorney General who openly lies to Congress, let alone endorse and defend him as Obama has done with Eric Holder?

Do they expect a President Romney to force people of faith to violate their consciences by funding or participating in practices that violate the tenets of their religions, as Obamacare will do to opponents of abortion and contraception in less than two months?

Would President Romney pack the Supreme Court with clearly prejudiced judges nominated solely for their fealty to his agenda, as Obama did with Justice Kagan?

Do they expect a Romney presidency to be a cesspool of corruption like Obama's quickly became? Do they think a President Romney would hand out hundreds of millions of taxpayer dollars in kickbacks, disguised as guaranteed loans, to backers and bundlers, as Obama did with Solyndra?

Would President Romney bow to foreign leaders, embrace enemies and stab allies in the back, as Obama has done? Would he betray close friends, as the Obama administration did in leaking Israel's once-secret plans to take out the Iranian nuclear weapons program, supporting election of Muslim Brotherhood members who vow war with Israel in Arab Spring countries, then giving said countries $800 million?

Did Governor Romney sit for twenty years under the preaching of a radical minister who called for God to damn America and referred to the country as the “U.S. Of KKK A”? Would President Romney form his view of the country from such hate? On the contrary: Romney's faith has strong roots in traditional, unequivocal patriotism and love of America.

Is Governor Romney a pathological liar like the President? Ben Smith of Buzzfeed Politics has documented 38 lies and fabrications, covering everything from ancestors to college, in Obama's autobiography, Dreams of My Father. One wonders if one of his dad's dreams was that his son would be a man of honor and truthfulness.

The claim that Obama and Romney have no differences is itself rooted in deceit. A headline on Congressman Paul's campaign site on June 22, 2012, states, “Romney No Different From Obama.” The evidence cited for the claim is a video from the January 16 Republican candidates' debate of Governor Romney saying he would have signed the National Defense Authorization Act.

The text accompanying the video fails to note that, in the video clip, Governor Romney goes on to explain in detail major differences between himself and the President – and, by the way, Congressman Paul – regarding defense, terrorism and national security.

Paul supporters are also circulating a video of Congressman Paul saying in a June 20 interview on MSNBC that “people have been misled into thinking that there's a big contest” between Obama and Romney.

Paul's backers use this video to claim there's no difference between the two; but then Congressman Paul explains that while he fails to see satisfactory difference in their philosophies of government, there are major differences in “personality and power struggle.” As we saw in the examples of the Attorney General, religious freedom and the Supreme Court, there are undeniable major differences between Obama and Romney regarding “philosophies of government.”

For the Paul people to present these videos as evidence that there are no differences between Governor Romney and President Obama is flatly dishonest. Such a claim is like saying that Republicans and Democrats are the same. Both positions require deliberate disregard of factual evidence and willful acceptance of falsehood.

The claim that Obama and Romney are the same is also, much like Obama, childishly spiteful. Since their hero is out of the running, Paul's followers want to bring down his rival as well, thus ensuring Obama's reelection. While to his credit he still wants to influence the Republican party, Paul refuses to endorse Romney, even though his son, Senator Rand Paul, has done so to the Paul camp's chagrin.

From acceptance of delusion to willingness to believe and spread lies to indulgence of spite, I maintain that those who promulgate the notion of no differences between Obama and Romney are the same as the President and his supporters.

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37 Comments

Faceh in Atlanta Georgia said:

I'd answer 'yes' to most of those questions.

The fact remains that from a policy standpoint there are no essential differences between the two gentlemen.

NDAA? Both favored it.

Drone assassinations without due process? Both for it.

Both want to maintain Gitmo for the foreseeable future.

Immigration? Nearly identical. Romney's 'plan' is just Obama's plan slightly reworked.

Both still want to extend the war on drugs.

Both are completely okay sending U.S. troops abroad to meddle in foreign affairs.

If the best you can offer are a bunch of differences that they have PERSONALLY without extolling on the actual POLICY differences, you're missing the entire point.

You could simply point to the fact that Romney's a Mormon and Obama isn't if that's all it took.

But their policies in office are so similar as to be essentially indistinguishable.

Friday, June 22, 2012 at 4:00 PM

Joanne in Media, Pa replied:

Most of the questions are regarding minor and irrelevant things, this article is dumb. The answer to most of the questions is yes, of course he would do exactly what Obama has done. There is very little difference between them on the important issues. Romney is running for Bush's fourth term.

Friday, June 22, 2012 at 11:44 PM

Tom in Georgia replied:

I'll only touch on one of the things you've said. Romney's immigration position he's articulated stands up for the rule of law much better than either Obama's or Paul's which are pretty similar since neither wants to enforce our own immigration laws.

Monday, June 25, 2012 at 12:42 AM

Jubal in Burlington replied:

Well Put! Though I would add some food for thought respective to choice in terminology.

The War of Poverty - A War on Americans responsibilities

The War on Drugs(MADD too) - An other failed policy - unless the actual intent was to undermine the Bill of Rights, both in perception and fact of law

The War on Terror - A War on the enumerated rights of Americans

The War on Terms - The War on Perception and Definition

Pick a USG inspired and funded social movement and define what has been irrecoverably lost(surrendered?) here at home. Wouldn't you agree that, just about everyone is under suspicion.

And why not...I mean, who's interest does that serve?

Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 10:40 AM

Jesse in Houston said:

Faceh had it perfectly... no need to comment further.

Friday, June 22, 2012 at 4:15 PM

Blake in CA said:

Weak article. Faceh nailed it with a perfect response. At least with Obama, I know what I'm getting. Romney hasn't taken a stand for anything at all, and would likely be even more pliable to the interests of those who fund him.

Friday, June 22, 2012 at 4:45 PM

Richard Wicks in Sunnyvale, CA said:

I read up to:

> Ron Paul's campaign and its adherents are still claiming
> that Governor Romney and President Obama are the same.
>
> Such a notion would be laughably absurd

Yes, it would be absurd, except it's true.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWDJEc92d38

I didn't read the rest of the article, but I bet it doesn't bother to mention how they are different. I suppose if gay marriage is an issue to you, they're different there. That's a trivial issue though, and not anything I care about one way or another.

NDAA, war, spending, Constitution, etc - I care about that.

Friday, June 22, 2012 at 5:48 PM

KittenJuggler in Keene, NH said:

Yup. No discernible difference between Romney and Obama. Romney would definitely favor red ties over Obama's. Preference for blue ones. We should ask them to debate the differences between Coke and Pepsi for something deep, meaningful and of national importance.

Friday, June 22, 2012 at 5:54 PM

Kevin Jensen in Ft. Collins, Co. said:

Obama wants a big, leftist government.

Romney wants a big, righty government.

Do they want the same thing? No, this election is to determine which special interest groups receive the benefits of their respective candidates.

They are the same in that Obama and Romney are both for expanded federal powers and oversight, and (as far as I've been able to tell) are bent on retracting basic civil liberties (eliminating habeus corpus with the NDAA, internet data-mining operations, etc.)

I'm voting Gary Johnson.

Friday, June 22, 2012 at 5:57 PM

Jeff in MN said:

Faceh missed something: RomneyCare/ObamaCare

In the end though, my decision to write in Paul or plug my nose and vote for Romney will depend on how the GOP responds to our liberty, economic and foreign policy issues. I'm not asking for all my cake and eat it too -- just a leaning in the right direction will help.

At 49, I've been a Republican all my life, but this election I consider myself an Independent. This election season and the last election was a real eyeopener for me in being able to see the similarities establishment Republicans have with Democrats and it makes me sick.

Writers can moan all they want about how "childishly spiteful" we are... and BTW: it's not so much we want to bring down Romney -- it's as well, "thus ensuring Obama's reelection."

If this writer was truly interested in winning, wouldn't you think he'd be trying a little harder to win Paul supporters? The same to be said for the RNC and the GOP. I think it's "laughably absurd" to expect Paul supporters to vote for Romney without any concession.

Friday, June 22, 2012 at 6:12 PM

Jeff in MN said:

Correction: I meant to say:

Writers can moan all they want about how "childishly spiteful" we are... and BTW: it's not so much we want to bring down Romney -- it's [the whole GOP establishment] as well, "thus ensuring Obama's reelection."

Friday, June 22, 2012 at 6:15 PM

shawn4films in elgin ok replied:

Lets bring down the whole status quo of both parties and ONLY vote in Ron Paul supporters in both parties. NO MATTER WHAT, NO MATTER WHAT... WRITE IN RON! Good by war profiteer neo cons... your days are numbered.

Friday, June 22, 2012 at 9:05 PM

Geeza in Kent said:

Excellent article. I haven't laughed this much in quite a while. You'd be a roaring success at The Onion or one of the other spoof news sites.

Friday, June 22, 2012 at 8:32 PM

shawn4films in elgin ok said:

No difference at all between Romney and Obama, they are cute little cuddly twinkies. Heck they were even funded by the same corporations. The status quo must always make it look like the people have a real choice between two very different men... Well guess what thanks to Ron Paul a great many Americans now know what a REAL choice is. REMEMBER PAUL FOLKS... WRITE IN RON!

Friday, June 22, 2012 at 8:55 PM

Jamie in Wilmington, NC said:

I like all the quotes at the very bottom of this page. As for the garbage on the top, maybe you should stick your head a little farther up Romney's keester. That's where the rest of the lamestream media have gone, you might as well follow them in... As for the rest of us people that actually have a clue, we'll not be voting for the lesser of two evils this time because the country can't take any more of it.

Friday, June 22, 2012 at 9:38 PM

Jubal in Burlington replied:

Get it correct baby, it's managed media! Truth be told, a wonderfully significant element of mass psychology. Yeah! it's happenin' here...for decades.

Sadly, it doesn't matter who we vote for(election results are managed too-lots easier with computer tabulation), but I share that sentiment, vote your conscience, sleep well because the national financial meltdown and the inevitable chaos which will be the excuse to completely erase our former national principles, is at the doorstep.

We should learn from the Chinese, they comprehend the breadth of total war. Americans are under financial seige(but not foremost by the Chinese).

Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 10:20 AM

Christine in IL said:

Are you kidding, Thomas? Who are you trying to kid here? Romney is Obama. He has no damn backbone. Ron Paul is the ONLY one standing up to the corruption. Get it right, bud.

Friday, June 22, 2012 at 9:52 PM

RonPaulKicksAss in CA said:

Mitt Romney supports the Project for the New American Century and the Foreign Policy Initiative, the think-tank which promotes: diplomatic, economic, and military engagement IN THE WORLD. Iraq was ALL lies, so is Iran. The media has a war to sell you, are you buying it? Romney even named his foreign policy plan An American Century.
Here is a video of Romney and PNAC: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qYEsfXqHeck
Vote for Ron Paul! End the wars

Saturday, June 23, 2012 at 12:30 AM

Truthseeker in Springfield, MO replied:

Never in the history of mankind has any person or country unilaterally stopped wars. As long as we have radical ideologues in the world (Nazis, Islamists, jihadists, communists, etc.) we will have wars, and lots of them. It will be up to the leaders of our country to determine if we will be a victim of these wars, or a victor in them. There is no middle ground. Wars will always be with us. Isolationism, like appeasement, never works in the end. Read your history books, please.

Tuesday, June 26, 2012 at 2:13 PM

American Patriot in Florida said:

What we EXPECT is that if Willard is the mormonee, he will get less electoral votes than the dumicrat's George McGovern.

Saturday, June 23, 2012 at 12:58 AM

Robert in Munich, Germany said:

Wow. I feel sorry for the guy who wrote this article. He must feel stupid right about now. I hope, for his sake, he didn't go bragging to his friends about writing this. Maybe he can tell everyone he was taken out of context.

Saturday, June 23, 2012 at 2:54 AM

Richard Wicks in Sunnyvale, CA replied:

He doesn't feel stupid. His job is to say stupid things. That's everybody's job in the media today.

It's pathetic to say, but RT is better than most US media is today. Walter Cronkite is spinning in his grave. All that's left today is a bunch of toadying suckups to an incredibly corrupt system and more and more people are simply disgusted by it.

Saturday, June 23, 2012 at 3:21 AM

wjm in Colorado replied:

More likely he is showing the comments of the delusional supporters of Paul, who are making his case for him. How stupid he must think the supporters of Paul are! You prove the points made in the article, priceless!

Monday, June 25, 2012 at 4:56 PM

Richard Wicks in Sunnyvale, CA replied:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWDJEc92d38

Yeah. *WE'RE* delusion. You're not.

Tuesday, June 26, 2012 at 6:06 AM

wjm in Colorado replied:

Keep smoking your dope you clueless Kalifornicator. The more you type the more you bear out the authors intent. There is truth in the saying "you can't argue with an idiot", and you sir should be the poster child for Lenin's "Useful Idiont". You are a deluded fool along with anyone else who supports the most failed person in a political office, Ron Paul.

Tuesday, June 26, 2012 at 9:30 AM

Richard Wicks in Sunnyvale, CA replied:

> Keep smoking your dope you clueless Kalifornicator.

This is your response? That I must be smoking dope to realize that Romney and Obama are the same, when they make IDENTICAL statements, express support for 1/2 dozen policies, and only disagree on minor irrelevant non issues, like gay marriage.

I would have to smoke a kilo in order to be as dumb as you.

It's all right there, in front of you. I can't make you see it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IWDJEc92d38

You people are so easily fooled over and over again. Just because somebody has the Republican label doesn't mean they want to end nation building, reduce the federal government, or do anything different than their predecessor. Just like Obama, who is supposedly a Democrat who didn't over-turn a single policy of Bush.

If McCain were president, and did every single thing Obama did, you'd love him. This is how childish and stupid the country has become.

If Gore were president, and we went to war with Iraq, and said it was for humanitarian reasons, all the liberals would have loved him for it and the war, and you idiots would have been outraged that we are nation building.

I can't believe how childish and simplistic people are.

Tuesday, June 26, 2012 at 3:22 PM

wjm in Colorado replied:

The ultimate resource of reason, youtube. Keep typing you fool.

Wednesday, June 27, 2012 at 11:47 AM