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A Mosque at Ground Zero?
· Monday, June 7, 2010
Is ground zero the right place for a major new mosque and Islamic cultural center? Cordoba House is a 15-story, $100 million development to be built just 600 feet from where the World Trade Center stood; the plans include the mosque, a 500-seat auditorium, swimming pool, restaurant, and bookstore.
The prospect of an Islamic center so close to ground zero is, not surprisingly, controversial. Many relatives of Sept. 11 victims are strongly opposed. One group, 9/11 Families for a Safe & Strong America, calls Cordoba House “a gross insult to the memory of those who were killed on that terrible day.’’ But the project also has strong political support. New York Mayor Michael Bloomberg and Manhattan Borough President Scott Stringer are among its backers, and Cordoba House was endorsed by lower Manhattan’s Community Board No. 1 in a near-unanimous vote last month.
Of particular interest are the views of leading Muslim moderates — Muslims known for their commitment to tolerance and pluralism, and for their opposition to all forms of radical Islam.
One such individual is Zuhdi Jasser, a physician, US Navy veteran, and founder of the American Islamic Forum for Democracy.
Jasser reminisced last week about his family’s history of building mosques in the heartland communities where they lived. His parents, Syrian immigrants to the United States, helped create the Fox Valley Islamic Center in Neenah, Wis., in 1980. “This was during the Iranian hostage crisis,’’ he recalled, “and some of the local residents wanted the Zoning Commission to prevent the mosque from going forward.’’ But the commissioners gave their blessing to the project, and the modest mosque — the construction budget was just $80,000 — became part of the neighborhood. Later the family later moved to western Arkansas, where they joined with others to create the Islamic Center of Fort Smith. As recently as March, Jasser came out in support of Muslims in Sheboygan, Wis., whose plans for a new place of worship were meeting with vocal resistance.
But he adamantly opposes the ground zero mosque.
“For us, a mosque was always a place to pray, to be together on holidays — not a way to make an ostentatious architectural statement,’’ Jasser said. “Ground zero shouldn’t be about promoting Islam. It’s the place where war was declared on us as Americans.’’ To use that space for Muslim outreach, he argues, is “the worst form of misjudgment.’’
Equally opposed is Stephen Suleyman Schwartz, a devout Muslim and director of the Center for Islamic Pluralism in Washington.
Schwartz notes that the spiritual leader of the Cordoba Initiative, Imam Feisal Abdul Rauf, describes himself as a Sufi — a Muslim focused on Islamic mysticism and spiritual wisdom. But “building a 15-story Islamic center at ground zero isn’t something a Sufi would do,’’ according to Schwartz, also a practitioner of Sufism. “Sufism is supposed to be based on sensitivity toward others,’’ yet Cordoba House comes across as “grossly insensitive.’’ He rejects Rauf’s stance that a highly visible Muslim presence at ground zero is the way to make a statement opposing what happened on 9/11. Better, in his view, is the approach of many Muslims “who hate terrorism and who have gone privately to the site and recited prayers for the dead silently and unperceived by others.’’
Ali al-Ahmed, a Saudi native who founded the Institute for Gulf Affairs and is an advocate for civil rights and religious freedom in the Middle East, hopes for the best from Cordoba House. “A mosque should be a good thing,’’ he told me. But he worries about the number of Americans who may be “hurt and upset’’ by the project, and wonders whether a mosque is really the best thing for Muslims to build so close to ground zero. Why not something less emotionally charged, he asks — a social-service agency, perhaps, or an assisted living center for the elderly?
Muslims must take the feelings of Americans into account, Ahmed contends. He cites no less an Islamic authority than the Imam Ali, Mohammed’s influential son-in-law. “Reconciliation of your differences,’’ says Imam Ali in the collection of teachings known as the Peak of Eloquence, “is more worthy than all prayers and fasting.’’
Will a mosque at ground zero make reconciliation more likely? Or will it needlessly rub salt in the unhealed wounds of 9/11?
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Ruth Ann Wilson
As an American, I take this as a major INSULT for this to even be considered.
Is there no common decency anymore????
I see you list as one of the "amenities" of this INSULT is a "swimming pool"????? For who????
For God & Country
The American
Posted June 7, 2010 at 10:12:22 AM
Kathy
No matter the eloquent words they use to whitewash this, it's still a slap in the face to America, and it is intentional. They do this to us under the ruse of bringing peace, knowing the government (mayor & borough president) will cave in because they are spineless, like all our govt, and when our backs are turned they laugh at how stupid we are. Believe me, we will regret this; they are not to be trusted, no matter what pretty words they use.
Posted June 7, 2010 at 10:32:56 AM
Elaine Morris
Who "Signed off on the building permit?" Who "Sold the Land?"
I do understand that all Muslims are not terrorists, but ALL TERRORISTS are Muslims.
THIS MUST STOP!
Between the Federal Laws against Illegal Aliens in our Country; the 3 attacks on our own soil on 9/11;
THIS CANNOT BE PERMITTED.
Posted June 7, 2010 at 11:25:45 AM
JTG
Just as soon as we can build a Christian church in Mecca.
The pansies we have in government, whether local or federal, should be removed from office for not defending this country. Islam is gaining a greater foothold in this country and it's time to put the brakes on their initiatives. We didn't need their culture before this and we don't need it now.
Posted June 7, 2010 at 11:33:47 AM
Patricia R. Stonsby
NO WAY! Ground Zero is sacred land where Americans were slaughtered by terrorists still bent on killing us all, in the name of "religion". The thought of such a building near the site of 9/11s tragedy is just enough to make me want to be sick to my stomach! How any New Yorker or true American can think otherwise is a real sign of stupidity! God Bless America! Pat Stonsby
Posted June 7, 2010 at 11:48:37 AM
Ellen
Let us start building Christian churches in Iran. We could do it without a swimming pool and all the amenities. This is outrageous. The American People should rise up and do whatever is necessary to stop this outrageous enterprise which is an insult to us. Americans should do whatever is necessary to stop this NOW. What does this say to the survivors of those who died on 91 -- or to the rest of Americans? Not only building this construction but dedicating in on a September 11 date! Unbelievable that some of our "leaders" approve of this construction.
Posted June 7, 2010 at 11:50:02 AM
Chris
Americans must arise and denounce this for what it is. This great land of ours despite liberal, progressive, and/or Marxist beliefs was indeed found on Judeo-Christian pronciples. This mosque is an affront, an insult, and flies in the face to those murdered on 9/11 and their grieving families. This only generates intense hatred, hurt feelings, and an America that is giving into radical jihadists who are behind the building of this monstrocity of Judeo-Christian hatred. This mosque serves no other purpose than to agitate Americans fed up with radical islamists and a Presidential administration who do not have the guts to say radical islam much less suppress their Pro-Sharia laws to intrude on our American soil and a constitution that has no room for Sharia. Mayor Bloomberg (RINO leftist) should be ashamed to allow such an atrocity to occur in a city he is supposed to lead.
I agree, why not build Christian Cathedrals and Temples and mega Bible stores in Saudi Arabia, Iran, Syria, and Yemen? After all, radical Islamists can intrude their Sharia beliefs here and want it as law as apprently our top law guy Holder has hinted. Hmmmm.....The time is now for NYC and surrounding American patriots to rise up and flood the Mayor and Council telephones, e-mails, and faxes to protest up and down to stop this madness of pro Sharia Islamist Juhadists from invading this country and setting up a Jihad Command shop where Americans were murdered by Saudi and Egyptian al Qaida thugs.
My fellow Americans, when is enough enough? Remember, our enemies will hit us where we feel safe and this current administration is advocating this insanity.
Posted June 7, 2010 at 12:09:35 PM
Larry E
Bloomberg and company are only concerned with dollar signs. That is the real reason all of those hot shots in New York approve of this mosque. They would sell their own mother if it would put some change in their pockets. Respect or religion mean nothing to these prople.
Posted June 7, 2010 at 12:29:02 PM
Warren
The Imam who is pushing this is not interested in "reconciliation" or anything of the sort. He's interested in placing a "symbol" of islam in the heart of the wound we all suffered. Dedicating it on Sept 11th is another symbol, and symbolism is very important in islam. The fact that he duped Bloomberg and the rest of the political clowns in NY isn't surprising, but it IS Disgusting!! Go ahead and try to put a Christian Church up in Iraq or Saudi Arabia at a site where great harm had been done to Muslims and see how much "reconciliation" you can attain. Good luck. I pray New Yorkers don't allow this to go forward. This is pure insanity to subject Americans to this nonsense.
Posted June 7, 2010 at 1:06:32 PM
Mark
And I still read articles saying that 'Islam' means 'Peace'!! Hear this, everyone! 'Islam' means 'Submission'! I.e. Submission to the will of 'Allah' either by conversion or by the sword---meaning death.
Let's put an end to this Mosque once and for all, by submission to the will of the American people!
Posted June 7, 2010 at 1:18:41 PM
William Atherton
'Chris' says "This mosque serves no other purpose than to agitate Americans fed up with radical islamists and a Presidential administration who do not have the guts to say radical islam much less suppress their Pro-Sharia laws to intrude on our American soil and a constitution that has no room for Sharia." Our Presidential administration not only doesn't have the guts to call a terrorist a terrorist, they (Obama and his cronies) are actively trying to destroy what is left of our free, Constitutional republic as described in the Declaration of Independence, the Constitution and the Bill of Rights. The open corruption and open lies behind ALL of the bills that have been passed by this administration serve only to destroy what's left of a once great nation. America WAS the richest, most powerful, most productive nation on the planet. This guy (Obama) has spent over $5.5 Trillion dollars in less than 15 months to destroy our way of life. In the meantime, the American people are acting like sheep being led to the slaughter. EVERY major bill that has been passed by this administration has been openly and unapologetically unconstitutional. This team that occupies the White House at this time is openly Un-American and any rational, intelligent person can see this if they do the slightest bit of research. Mr. Obama and friends are not only openly Socialist in their goals and actions, they are traitors in a time of war. Every phrase uttered by Obama is strictly for political theater. Nothing that he says has any basis in fact, and he believes that he can scam his way into another term in office by repeatedly lying to the American sheep, since they're too busy to investigate any of his claims or check out the FACT that Obama has done a complete 180 degree turn away from EVERY priomise and vow that he made during his campaign. His oft-repeated promise that "If you like your current doctor, you can keep him" is only true if you can pay for your doctor out of your own pocket. ALL of the companies that are affected by the "Health Care Reform" are going to cease to provide health care benefits to their employees. They have a fiduciary responsibility to their stockholders to stop health care benefits and pay the fines to the government, since the fines are about one-tenth the size of the bill for health insurance. This has been Obama's plan all along. His documented record states that he favors a single-payer system, and he's been accurately quoted as stating that "It's potentially going to take some time to eliminate employer-provided health care completely." That is a direct verbatim quote from Barack Obama when he was a state senator from Illinois. His open lies and open corruption and buying of votes is sickening and I'm astounded that ANYONE would vote to re-elect this 'man'. Yet, he's the odds-on favorite for re-election due to the ignorance of the majority of his supporters. If America doesn't wake up to the facts very soon, there wil be NO Constitution left, and ALL power will be concentrated in Washington. There are STILL many people who don't even know that Obama GAVE 66% ownership of Chrysler to the UAW union, in direct and open violation of Federal Bankruptcy laws, and as a direct payback foor the UAW votes and money that was provided to Obama. Please wake up and do some research, people. That is, if you care anything about the future of our country. Obama's actions will result in uncontrollable, runaway inflation. That is a simple mathematical certainty. Wages will NEVER rise to keep up with that inflation, meaning that you will have a choice to either buy food, or pay the electric bill. America will be the next Greece, and we will be reduced to the state of most other third-world countries, with two classes, the millionaires (and politicians), and the people who are living at, or very near, poverty level, one paycheck away from homelessness.
Posted June 7, 2010 at 2:24:44 PM
Sam
I think this arrogance is really a test...a DARE ... to see how far radical muslims can go in our country. If they get away with building so close to Ground Zero, then who will stop them afterwards. We know that Islam declared its intent to take over the world, one mosque at a time...they should get Bloomberg out of office and anyone else who conspired to do this, to allow this. I don't believe most New Yorkers are happy about this...it will be a magnet for violence...on the part of radical muslims and on the part of those who do not want the mosque there...when the time comes, I hope Americans will march on New York from all over the country to prevent this from happening. Again, they will not allow Christian Churches or Jewish Synagogues to be built in their countries...how can they dare to presume that they will be able to continue to build their mosques, their places of terrorist training and recruitment here...sure, there are mosques that are used purely for worship, but too many are used for terrorist training and recruitment...peace loving Muslims should rise up and demonstrate with other Americans against this outrage...let's see if they will...
Posted June 7, 2010 at 2:35:55 PM
Vernon Clayson
One billion, and counting, Muslims will consider a mosque at or near the 9/11 ground zero as a win for them; first they cleared the ground of infidels and building and then erected a mosque in homage to their homicidal feat. Yes, indeedy, god is great, Mayor Bloomberg not so great. Who can know why he's so forgiving? It wouldn't be he believes a mosque at ground zero is inconsequentional considering a Muslim, or a man with Muslim proclivities, inhabits the White House
Posted June 7, 2010 at 2:36:54 PM
Robert Fleming
An Islamic mosque at ground zero is the biggest slap in the face anyone could imagine ! I lost 9 co-workers in that attack by Islamic fanatics. It would not matter if these lunatics were Catholic or Mormon, I would not want one of their "places of worship" to be built at ground zero either. The very thought that anyone could even concievably think that this would not be an unimaginable insult the the families and friends of those who lost their lives is unfathomable ! Especially since we are at war fighting fanatical muslims of virtually every sect. We wouldn't allow a Nazi museum to be built next door to a Holocost memorial.
C'mon people, get real !!!!
Posted June 7, 2010 at 2:37:48 PM
Patricia Smith
No one could possibly mistake the intent to rub salt in our wound. Who's kidding who? Any use of the site must champion the fallen. Muslim use is obviously the ultimate insult, brought to us by the family of the murderers we hate so.
Proceed at your own risk, because the passionate people of the neighborhood, the city, the state, the nation, will seek to undo any such use, I do believe, in perpetuity.
Posted June 7, 2010 at 2:41:14 PM
Chris
This entire idea is a travesty!
It it a slap in the face to all who were lost that fateful day... ALL races, colors, and creeds.
The proposed site of this "mosque" should not never EVER be permitted on that sacred ground. Talk about adding insult to injury.
Posted June 7, 2010 at 4:21:44 PM
John
Why don't we just let loose a bunch of pigs now the defecate all over the ground. then cut a few throats of the pigs. This would make the ground forbidden to any muslim for any purpose.
Posted June 7, 2010 at 4:46:41 PM
Jim
John , Great idea, I'll supply the hawgs. Something has to be done to stop this from happening.
Posted June 7, 2010 at 5:45:35 PM
Riverside Rebel
The only answer to this is a resounding "NO" you will not build it. Period. Concerning this, I care not what OUR First Constitutional Amendment states; the very idea of the construction of this mosque is a slap in the face to ALL Americans. New York city planners should never have let the blueprints go beyond Planning & Zoning. Let it be known, however, if this mosque is constructed that the persons who occupy it from time to time will never be able to rely on ANY FDNY, NYPD, EMT's or Port Authority personnel to come to their aid - ever. If it is built, it shall be razed. I won't participate as I am too far away. But if anyone in NYC has any memory of 9/11, this mosque will not exist for very long, no more so than an Anglican Cathedral would be able to exist in downtown Tehran, Messina or Medina. I am Riverside Rebel and I speak for the heart of America.
Posted June 8, 2010 at 1:24:42 AM
ChristianRight
What is being done to stop this from happening? What protests are scheduled?
Posted June 8, 2010 at 3:12:45 AM
Gloria Cramer
This is a terrible thing to build a mosque on land that was "ground zero." How can the city planners,business men and the Mayor consider such an insensitive act.? What is their reasoning ? That it will "make the radical Islamists peaceful and loving people ? They really ought to study the aims and teachings of these radical Imans and terrorists.
I know that all Muslims are not cruel, fanatical people because I have a dear Muslim friend. But unfortunately there are evil people within that culture. I do pray to GOD that this "mosque will never appear at "Ground Zero". Gloria
Posted June 8, 2010 at 4:41:26 AM
Anthony
While not all Muslims are terrorists, the fact remains that the 9/11 attacks were based upon Islamic-fueled hatred of the United States. To put a mosque at ground zero is a colossal insult. If moederate Muslims want to help, try preaching against radical Islam and the killing of other people.
Posted June 8, 2010 at 5:58:45 AM
An Alaskan
People say, "Let's build Christian churches in the Middle East." Most middle eastern countries do not allow church buildings that or missionaries. Their governments forbid it. Good luck.
Posted June 8, 2010 at 11:16:13 AM
Jo-Anne Jaynes
DOES ANYONE SEE THAT EACH OF THESE WHO ARE OPPOSSING {??}, HOW GENTLY THEY OPPOSE??? WE MUST BEGIN TO UNDERSTAND THE AGENDA OF ISLAM..IT IS FIRST AND FOREMOST A GOVERNMENT, RUN BY A HIGHERARCHY OF RELIGIOUS LEADERS. THESE CAN NEVER ASSIMILATE INTO ANOTHER COUNTRYS GOVERNMENT OR ANY OTHER COUNTRYS LAWS...THEY LIVE AND BREATH BY ISLAM, A TOTAL GOVERNMENT HIDING UNDER THE GUISE OF RELIGION. LET'S WAKE UP AMERICA...PLEASE CONSIDER YOUR FUTURE AND THE FUTURE OF YOUR CHILDREN.
Posted June 8, 2010 at 12:56:22 PM
jcadla
First, there is no such thing as a 'moderate' Muslim. Folks need to read the Koran, the Muslim bible. It specifically teaches that Muslims CANNOT be friends with Jews and Christians and that there is always a 'jihad', a holy war against infidels. (Anyone not Muslim)It, also, teaches that a Muslims' primary responsibility is to convert all infidels to Islam or, if that isn't possible, subjugate them to bow to Muslims and if that doesn't work, kill them. Their preferred method is be-heading.
Mohammad taught that it is all right to lie and deceive people if it helps further Islam.
It is a gross insult to all free Americans to even consider building a mosque anywhere in this nation, much less at the site where Muslims killed so many innocent people. Muslims do not deserve to be allowed to 'worship' freely in this nation since the primary objective of Islam is to kill all infidels (Americans) who are not Muslim.
Do yourself a favor and research for yourself these things I have stated. Islam makes Communism look like Paradise.
Posted June 8, 2010 at 1:22:09 PM
enemaofthestatistquo
I plan to overthrow the present US government, I am even going to announce the date and time and place of the attack, & call upon all freedom-loving Americans to rise up and do the same in a coordinated attack. Tuesday November 2, 2010 7AM EST at the First Christian Church, Monroe, GA 30655. You do the same where you live.
Posted June 8, 2010 at 4:22:32 PM
enemaofthestatistquo
That is: Election Day, 11/2/10 7am est at my polling precinct. Just so the FBI, CIA, DEA, FDA, ICE, DNC, etc. don't get into a bother thinking I'm a subversive terrorist or something.
Posted June 8, 2010 at 4:32:57 PM
Clint
HOTEL PROPOGANDA! Like the rest of your readers, I am appalled at the flagrant arrogance of such a move! Firstly, it's a major slap in the face that such anti-American groups as ASMA, it's financial supporters...Mayor Bloomberg's city officials. Secondly, that a cultural RELIGIOUS-POLITICAL creation such as Imam Rauf's Cordoba Initiative is being hailed among it's PC contingent (i.e. media & entertainment). The good Imam even states his objective is "to counteract the backlash against Muslims in general". This would include...a mosque, museum, seminar rooms to 'reconcile religions'? And "merchandising options"? Not only that, but he intends to FRANCHISE!? And any talk of Islamism in connection with terrorists or ANYthing negative is bad!? And I'M a 'conspiracy theorist'?! God help us all!
Posted June 9, 2010 at 4:52:07 PM
enemaofthestatistquo
maybe after your visit to be "religiously reconciled" & as you take your converted self out the front door, you'll pause in the Museum of Sharia Law Bakery/Cafe/Shop wherein you'll be able to purchase a bronze scale model of the WTC Twin Towers, or you could buy a detailed plastic replica of the collapse of the 1st/2nd tower, or maybe a framed reproduction Print of the 1st plane smashing into the 1st/2nd Tower. & for under $39 you could possess a commemorative 99.9% silver medallion to wear over your heart.
Posted June 9, 2010 at 9:31:21 PM
Nick Beretta
If new yorkers are so liberal that they would let these make believe human beings erect a mosque anywhere near the world trade center area, then they deserve the bombings that are to come. It's time real americans stand up.Remember america, If you don't stand for something, you will fall for anything.
Posted June 12, 2010 at 12:19:32 PM
comdude
They laughed a bunch when they found out that the President of the United States' name is Hussein. He up and declared that this was no longer a Christian nation. No, I don't like that.
A mosque at the WTC site is just another symptom of a changing (decaying?) civilization. If We The People do not agree, vote 'em out in 2010 and 2012 if they still let you vote. Above all, hang on to what you've got (left).
Posted June 19, 2010 at 2:38:42 PM
Queensjudyg
Let me get this straight. That WTC site was bombed in 1993 by wild-eyed Islamic terrorists, causing people to be seriously injured and killed, the Vista Hotel and parking garage to be out of commission for years, and for all NYC office buildings and workers to wear ID badges on lanyards around their necks as they came to work each day. Then, the WTC towers were attacked again 8 years later, causing much greater damage, loss of life, and trauma for NYC and neighboring states' residents, families, who lost their loved ones and co-workers. There are people who were simply evaporated, their remains never to be recovered, and who could forget those who jumped from the towers? It took NYC all these years to even build something on the site again. So, we, being New Yorkers and U.S. citizens were attacked by foreigners burning with Islamic hatred for us, to wipe us out and our way of life, at the symbol of U.S. economic prosperity. And now, 10 years later, we're expected to be the ones to show tolerance of Islam's true believers? On that very site? The site that will always be a graveyard to innocent U.S. tax-paying civilians (important!) who were just working that day, and came from many ethnicities, faiths, to boot? We should always be tolerant and not expect, really now DEMAND it, from anyone who is Islamic and living, worshipping in our U.S.A. They are turning our 1st amendment against us, plain and simple, to build their propaganda mosques and they'll just keep doing it until we DEMAND they stop. If they live here, THEY must abide by our Constitution and our laws, and never expect that we should be followers of their 7th century sharia laws.
Posted July 25, 2010 at 1:15:28 PM
elena burge
the people planning to build this mosque are not the people responsible for 9/ll. therefore, i see nothing inappropriate about either the building of this mosque or its planned location. what i do find deeply saddening is all the resistance to it. as americans, we are blessed with freedom of religion, which is very clearly demonstrated by all the varying houses of worship that exist throughout our country. for those who oppose the mosque, while professing their religious beliefs and do not display the qualities of forgiveness, tolerance, compassion and a sincere willingness to overcome, to rise above the distinctions and differences that divide us, certainly appears to be a sad violation of the essential teachings of the world's religions. wouldn't it be wonderful, healing, and wise to come together in peace and harmony and with a genuine willingness to know and understand each other! as appears to be happening now, this divisive stooping to fear, anger, resentment and verbal hostilities dishonors the teachings of the world's religions and discredits us as a people. wouldn't it be wonderful if we could respect and honor people of all faiths! wouldn't it be wonderful if we could sincerely open our hearts and our minds and not give in to our biases, misunderstandings and ill-advised concepts!
Posted July 31, 2010 at 3:43:11 PM
Jim
Elena: "Wouldn't it be wonderful if we could respect and honor people of all faiths."
Yep, it would, Elena that would be nice - but I have absolutely zero respect and will show no honor to a religion that commands its followers to hate Jews "to the end of time," not to befriend Christians or Jews or Polytheists, does not allow those born into the religion to get out of it by choice without the threat of death, has as one of its tenents the concept of holy war, called "jihad," against all enemies of Allah (read all non-Muslims), or considers as its "prophet" a man who married and fondled a six-year-old girl, Aisha, and then had sexual intercourse with her when she was nine, raided caravans for a living, and ordered the deaths of untold thousands of people, including a woman who was accused of adultry (but at least he let her finish breast-feeding her bastard child before he had her buried up to her chest and then stoned to death). And that's just the beginning.
I will not respect a religion whose followers are responsible for literally thousands of terrorist attacks done in the name of their god. I will not honor a religion that legally allows its followers to murder anyone who insults their prophet.
You go ahead and be a "dhimmi," Elena, and as one of our Founding Fathers said to the Loyalist, "May your chains hang lightly upon you."
Posted July 31, 2010 at 11:48:05 PM
elena burge
"wouldn't it be wonderful if we could sincerely open our hearts and minds and not give in to our biases, misunderstandings, and ill-advised concepts!"
Posted August 1, 2010 at 9:09:00 PM
Chris Horton
Why are we so consumed with people’s feelings? That's the problem with America. The heightened sense of sensitivity is sickening! We here in America are concerned with what Muslims think. Do you think Muslims in Iraq or Afghanistan care about what Christians think? Forget Christians let’s say Americans. They don't care what Americans think. We are worried about a pastor burning Qurans. That act of burning Qurans won't increase hatred that the Muslims already have toward the western world. The hate is infinite and Americans will still die even if the pastor retracts from the burning of those books. Here we are pacifying an ideology that propagates killing in the name of Allah. That isn't extreme people, that is doctrine. Ask any Islam leader and they will tell you the truth. All these Muslims who come on TV saying that Islam is a religion of peace is lying. Peace comes when all convert to Allah or die if they oppose. These pastors who speak boldly against the Islam ideology are looked at as nuts, idiots, bigots...etc. But they aren't! Jesus was called a mad man; demon possessed and was killed for professing to be the Messiah. When young boys and girls are trained in this mosque, and when America finally finds out where the funding is coming from for the Mosque all of you will be stunned. This is a plan and a plot to slowly destroy America. 9/11 was the start; this Mosque is just an addition. Let's wait ignorantly and see what will happen next. We aren't a Christian nation anyway. We are an idolatrous, materialistic, adulterous, sexual perverse nation and it’s by design that God will remove his protective hands from this nation and allow us to be buried and destroyed by our ignorance. We profess to be so intelligent but when it comes to spiritual things we know nothing. We no nothing of God! We push God out of everything and harbor our sins, but when hell comes knocking on the door steps of America everyone becomes religious and screams God. God won't hear anyone’s prayers. 9/11 should've been an eye opener to this nation. Godless nations won't have the protection from God. People got holy after the attack in NY and every politician had the word God on their tongues. Many give God lip service but lack the lives to show it. Let's keep being tolerant and inclusive and we'll see where this nation ends up! At least the Muslim countries stand for something. We in the United States stand for money, and materialism. Give a man his LCD, LED TV, a nice care and a house and you can buy an American off. We don't stand for anything at all. Our God is money and we worship through materialism. God will judge America and HE(God) will use the Muslims to do it. We don't have a spine. We like to be politically correct and not offend people. Muslims will kill their own to set their agenda. Look around the Middle Eastern Countries; you have civil unrest within the Muslim communities. We can't call ourselves a Christian nation. Were we found on Christian principles.....yes, but not a Christian nation. We are a harlot nation that sells our souls to the highest bidder. All of these pastors who are being demonized, called bigots and many other names will look like geniuses in the future. These pastors sound crazy but at least they are standing up for something instead of playing the middle. One thing I admire about Muslims is that they die, kill, and bleed for what they believe in. They have passion. Christians in this country (so called Christians) are too comfortable with their lifestyles. Too much alcohol, cheeseburgers, HDTV’s, and entertainment has muzzled the mind of men. So you can see why spiritual things don't mean anything to people in the United States who worship money! We should accept God’s judgment on this nation. HE’s just in doing it.
Posted September 9, 2010 at 9:00:37 PM
Talented with Jarts
Extremism: Extremists have used the Qur'an and their own particular version of Sharia to justify acts of war and terror against Western individuals and governments, and also against other Muslims believed to have Western sympathies.
Extremism: Extremists have used the Bible and their own particular version of Christianity to justify acts of war, terror and most extreme hatred against all other cultures, individuals and governments, and also against other Christians believed to have sympathies for people who are different than them in any way.
Posted September 11, 2010 at 12:25:18 AM
True American
Is our government for the American people? Is our goverment even Americans? If so, than when are you going to protect us? Who's paying for the mosque? American people's taxes? What a DISGRACE! Besides our Constitution needing a little over-haul, so does our government. Our own government can't even be trusted. Shame on them. Us true American's and believers can overcome any obsticle, we need to pray for this Country (USA). God will take care of the evil, that's not our job. GOD BLESS AMERICA!
Posted December 12, 2010 at 2:07:08 PM