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Gingrich and Immigration
· Tuesday, November 29, 2011
Now that Newt Gingrich has become the latest in a series of Republican front-runners, he is getting the kinds of scrutiny and attacks that have done in other front-runners.
One of the issues that have aroused concern among conservative Republicans is that of amnesty for illegal immigrants, especially after Gingrich said that it would not be "humane" to deport someone who has been living and working here for years.
Let's go back to square one. The purpose of American immigration laws and policies is not to be either humane or inhumane to illegal immigrants. The purpose of immigration laws and policies is to serve the national interest of this country.
There is no inherent right to come live in the United States, in disregard of whether the American people want you here. Nor does the passage of time confer any such right retroactively.
The usually sober and thoughtful Wall Street Journal, on issues other than immigration, outdoes Newt Gingrich's claim that it would not be "humane" to deport illegal immigrants who have been living here a long time. A Wall Street Journal editorial says that it would be "psychotic" to do so.
"No one honestly believes the government should or will mount a nationwide manhunt to deport millions of people," according to the Wall Street Journal.
What we have today is virtually the opposite of that. Cities that openly proclaim themselves "sanctuaries" for illegal immigrants put their own policemen under strict orders not to report illegal immigrants to the federal authorities, with the result that illegal immigrants who have committed crime after crime are free to stay here and commit more crimes, including murder.
You don't have to launch a "manhunt" when a known criminal is also a known illegal alien. What many local policies have done has been to virtually put illegal aliens in a witness protection program.
The more doctrinaire libertarians see the benefits of free international trade in goods, and extend the same reasoning to free international movement of people. But goods do not bring a culture with them. Nor do they give birth to other goods to perpetuate that culture.
Why do people want to come to America in the first place? Because America offers them something that their native countries do not. This country has a culture which has produced a higher standard of living and a freer life than in many other countries.
When you import people, you import cultures, including cultures that have been far less successful in providing decent lives and decent livelihoods. The American people have a right to decide for themselves whether they want unlimited imports of cultures from other countries.
At one time, immigrants came to America to become Americans. Today, the apostles of multiculturalism and grievance-mongering have done their best to keep foreigners foreign and, if possible, feeling aggrieved. Our own schools and colleges teach grievances.
European countries have learned the hard way how massive imports of a foreign culture can undermine your own culture, polarize your population and create internal dangers that are irreversible. Victor Davis Hanson's chilling and insightful book "Mexifornia" shows similar patterns in California.
Moreover, in an age of terrorism, everyone who comes across the border from Mexico is not Mexican. It is the height of irresponsibility to leave that border open and the people who cross it a protected group. Punishing employers who hire illegals is punishing an accessory to an illegal act more harshly than the one who committed the illegal act in the first place.
As for Newt Gingrich, his position on immigration is just one of the items in the "baggage" he has to overcome. But what the voters have to overcome is an insistence on a perfect candidate. Ronald Reagan, after all, supported an immigrant amnesty bill, but that did not prevent him from being a great president otherwise.
A Republican Congress would be unlikely to make that mistake again, even if a Republican president wanted to. The big question for 2012 is whether Republicans will win Congress and/or the White House. If Democrats win Congress and the White House in 2012, amnesty is virtually certain, along with other disasters.
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Howard Last
Dr. Sowell is correct again as usual.
Posted November 29, 2011 at 12:42:14 AM
Kathryn Iandoli
Dr. Sowell maybe right in his remarks about immigration, but he is not right that we have to settle for Newt. Newt is all over the place in his views, look at his record. We can go with the perfect candidate, Michele Bachmann. She is the only consistent conservative, who doesn't have any baggage and is a true fighter and a leader who will get the job done.
Posted November 29, 2011 at 2:16:42 AM
Robert Lanier
Newt's statement makes sense as usual. That is the reason he is leading in most polls. People are starting to listen to him and realize, though he isn't perfect, has the best chance of anyone to unseat Obama and that should be the foremost goal.
Posted November 29, 2011 at 11:30:51 AM
ekim
Newt stated, " The American People would not support ripping a family up by the roots and deporting them after they have been here for 25 years. "
If you consider the amnesty of '86, that was 25 years ago, those here at that time were protected ! That is a fact of government !
So, what Newt should have said was, that anyone who entered this country after the facthas broken the law and is now a fugitive and needs to come forward and register themselves and any family here with them or they will ALL be deported !
Posted November 29, 2011 at 11:59:18 AM
Robert A. Hall
I think I’m a smart fellow, but it’s been clear to me for years that Dr. Sowell has a more disciplined and cogent mind than I have. I would be tempted to follow his voting advice in any election. Given that Romney has everything to make a great president except spine, I’m leaning to Newt using the Buckley rule of supporting the most conservative candidate who can get elected. I will link to this from my Old Jarhead blog.
Robert A. Hall
Author: The Coming Collapse of the American Republic
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For a free PDF of my book, write tartanmarine(at)gmail.com
Posted November 29, 2011 at 12:03:21 PM
Richard Ryan
Dr. Sowell has it exactly right. It matters not how many illegals we deport if we fail, or refuse to close our borders. That should be our first order of business. After we close the border, then we can focus on dealing with the illegals currently in the country.
Richard Ryan
Lamar,Missouri - Birthplace of Harry S Truman
Posted November 29, 2011 at 12:31:17 PM
LAW
Richard
I agree with you, lets close the border then sift through the mess thats left and deport as needed. At least get rid of the criminals and mentally disturbed.
Posted November 29, 2011 at 1:17:05 PM
hank
Don't you understand ? Obama is not importing illegal immigrants. He is importing democratic voters.
Posted November 29, 2011 at 2:12:24 PM
Samuel A. Abady
And what of innocent children brought here illegally by their parents? Do we victimize them, too, in the name of our "national interests"?
George W. Bush was an ardent supporter of the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 which would have legalized 12-20 million illegal immigrants.
The 2007 bill was not the first attempt at immigration reform during the Bush years. There was the McCain-Kennedy bill and the Cornyn-Kyl bill in 2005; and the Specter bill in 2006. McCain and Kyl are Republicans from Arizona; Cornyn a Republican from Texas; and at the time, Specter, a Republican from Pennsylvania. All failed.
The Bush-backed CIR bill was strongly supported
by Lindsey Graham (R-S. Car.), Mel Martinez (R-Fla.), Jim Demint (R-S. Car.), Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), and David Vitter (R-La.), five of the most conservative members of the Senate.
What did the Bush-backed bill provide? It created
a new “Z visa” for illegal aliens, giving them a Social Security number and the right to remain here for the rest of their lives. After eight years, they qualified for a green card (permanent residency), conditioned on paying back taxes owed, if any, and a $2,000 fine for coming here illegally. Family reunification was limited to spouses and children. Labor certification and the
employer-sponsored immigration system was eliminated
and replaced by a “merit” system that assigned
points for education, job skills, family connections and English proficiency, similar to the system used in the U.K., Canada and Australia.
The 2007 bill also created a new “Y” visa that
permitted 200,000 farm workers, nannies and other
temporary guest workers to stay here for two years;
created the “Employment Eligibility Verification
System” database to document all foreign workers
living here; and incorporated the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors or DREA M Act,
sponsored by Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Ala.) and Richard
Luger (R-Ind.), which allowed immigrants brought
here before age sixteen to go to college or join the military provided they graduated high school and did not commit crimes.
Gingrich displayed courage by his position on immigration reform. As the above demonstrates, conservatives agree with Gingrich, not Dr. Sowell.
Posted November 29, 2011 at 3:30:49 PM
Samuel A. Abady
And what of innocent children brought here illegally by their parents? Do we victimize them, too, in the name of our "national interests"?
George W. Bush was an ardent supporter of the Comprehensive Immigration Reform Act of 2007 which would have legalized 12-20 million illegal immigrants.
The 2007 bill was not the first attempt at immigration reform during the Bush years. There was the McCain-Kennedy bill and the Cornyn-Kyl bill in 2005; and the Specter bill in 2006. McCain and Kyl are Republicans from Arizona; Cornyn a Republican from Texas; and at the time, Specter, a Republican from Pennsylvania. All failed.
The Bush-backed CIR bill was strongly supported by Lindsey Graham (R-S. Car.), Mel Martinez (R-Fla.), Jim Demint (R-S. Car.), Jeff Sessions (R-Ala.), and David Vitter (R-La.), five of the most conservative members of the Senate.
What did the Bush-backed bill provide? It created a new “Z visa” for illegal aliens, giving them a Social Security number and the right to remain here for the rest of their lives. After eight years, they qualified for a green card (permanent residency), conditioned on paying back taxes owed, if any, and a $2,000 fine for coming here illegally. Family reunification was limited to spouses and children. Labor certification and the employer-sponsored immigration system was eliminated and replaced by a “merit” system that assigned points for education, job skills, family connections and English proficiency, similar to the system used in the U.K., Canada and Australia.
The 2007 bill also created a new “Y” visa that permitted 200,000 farm workers, nannies and other temporary guest workers to stay here for two years; created the “Employment Eligibility Verification System” database to document all foreign workers living here; and incorporated the Development, Relief and Education for Alien Minors or DREA M Act, sponsored by Sen. Chuck Hagel (R-Ala.) and Richard Luger (R-Ind.), which allowed immigrants brought here before age sixteen to go to college or join the military provided they graduated high school and did not commit crimes.
Gingrich displayed courage by his position on immigration reform. As the above demonstrates, conservatives agree with Gingrich, not Dr. Sowell.
Posted November 29, 2011 at 3:42:09 PM
Robert Sweeney
Nice try, Samuel; but not one of those people you named is a conservative. Republican does not equal conservative.
Posted November 29, 2011 at 4:55:11 PM
Brian
@Samuel A. Abady: "And what of innocent children brought here illegally by their parents? Do we victimize them, too, in the name of our "national interests"?" Are you serious? "Victimize"? They are here ILLEGALLY!! What makes them victims, other than your bleeding-heart liberal nonsense, if I may be so bold as to inquire? And, the answer to your question is, of course, "YES!!!" Go dig out your Funk 'n Wagnalls from the bottom of your sock drawer and look up the definition of "illegal" then get back to me.
Posted November 29, 2011 at 5:29:50 PM
Stevendore
Great response Robert Sweeney, I absolutely agree with you. Republican does not equal conservative.
@Samuel A. Abady, "And what of innocent children brought here illegally by their parents? Do we victimize them, too, in the name of our "national interests"?" Wrong question, wrong answer... the onus is on the illegal parents. They knew they were entering illegally and the resulting "anguish" and deportation of the families is the FAULT of the ILLEGAL parents, not the government. The family deports with the illegal parents, I see no victimization here.
Posted November 29, 2011 at 9:50:57 PM
Elaine
1) Have those that are already here -- register (just like our ancestors did at Ellis Island);
2) Background checks are a MUST;
3) After they register, they MUST attend classes to learn to read and speak English (most community colleges offer classes);
4) They must learn the Constitution; Bill of Rights and the Declaration of Independence (and be tested);
5) They must then go before a judge to be sworn in as an American Citizen.
6) The men "must" join the Military if he is under 30 years of age.
7) They must have a health Check
The adults will NEVER receive Social Security benefits because they have not paid into it.
They are NOT to receive food stamps for the same reason. They have never paid into the system to warrant receiving food stamps.
8) Put the Military on the border. Place signs at every major path where they come into the U.S. Also run ads in all the major newspapers; and give a press release to every major TV station in Mexico.
IF shot crossing the border "illegally, any lawsuits will not be accepted in any U.S. court.
Posted November 29, 2011 at 11:14:58 PM
Maurice D. Rogerson
Mr. Abady, Please try to understand that the parents of those children are the ones that have already victimized them. The responsibility for that lies with them, not the U.S. Furthermore, tough consequences would be more apt to discourage future acts such as illegally crossing the border of a sovereign nation.
Posted November 29, 2011 at 11:28:39 PM